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Mini Mafia VI: Diplomacy - Page 9

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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
February 17 2011 02:43 GMT
#161
On February 17 2011 10:10 LSB wrote:
Okay, you have not addressed any of my points, and instead waved around a flag of "We won't know what people flip"

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On February 17 2011 09:13 Ace wrote:
Not even close. PYP3 and this aren't even on the same level of mechanics.

You completely ignored my point. I'm talking about how a mass claim is horribly anti-town
You just say...
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We are dealing with a no role reveal setup where we know that a coroner role definitely exists. Secondly the Mafia has 1KP and we know that the town also has a guaranteed 1KP - Me.

So as fast as the Scum can kill a townie at night, we can kill them also.

This is not responsive at all. In fact you just reveal similarities. In PYP3 we know that a few roles definitely exist. In PYP3 Mafia had only 1 KP, and town had 3 KP...

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Secondly with 11 players resolving role claims doesn't take as long as 20+.

I really don't think that time was the issue with the mass claim I proposed in PYP3. The issue was that I was the SK, and I used that to take out the Bulletbill (and then I would have hit the tracker) Night 1.

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Where did I mention anything about not knowing the alignment of the people that flip? Not once did I mention anything about alignment since it's really, really obvious that figuring out alignment isn't even an issue here.

So wait... what's the point of your plan then? If I remember correctly, you were saying that we need this plan because we won't know the alignment/role of players flipping.

In fact that's your only reason (well, you then pretend the only way we can find mafia is through a mass claim) I'll spoiler the parts for you.
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On February 17 2011 09:13 Ace wrote:
We are dealing with a no role reveal setup

On February 17 2011 08:58 Ace wrote:
why wouldn't you support a mass claim in a game with 11 players and NO ROLE REVEAL?


On February 17 2011 08:45 Ace wrote:
There is NO role reveal. so everyone should claim before the first death so that the coroner can pop. Don't worry if you don't believe the claim because you won't be around much longer to matter.

So stop stalling and claim.



A few questions for you.

Let's say this is the claim
+ Show Spoiler +
LSB- Townie
Coagulation - Corner
infinitestory - DT
Beneather - Townie
ShoCkeyy - Vet
BloodyC0bbler - Doctor
bumatlarge - Apprentice
Nemesis - Townie
Fishball - Townie
Divinek - Townie
Ace - Vig

What do we do now? How does this benefit the town?

Why should we do it now night 1, instead of Day 2?

Why should the corner claim before he gets any results?


Well we can guess by the order of claims who is more believable. For instance, if no one else claims Vig, Ace would have had to be extremely lucky as mafia to pick the only role we didn't have. Therefore, we really don't have many reasons to lynch Ace, unless he does something ridiculous, or future evidence proves against him.

We are chancing on a pre-set amount of roles (1 of each). This leaves no room for mafia to claim blues while not being put out there. This doesn't make it an auto-lynch of course, but this puts a spotlight on the person. 2 blues of the same role have nothing to fear really, since they can prove what they are in most cases.

With that set-up, unless one of the last claims was a blue, we can assume all the blues are legit, until proven otherwise. We nearly clear 7(!) people, unless mafia has previous knowledge, is lucky, or waits for an untaken role. Again, it's either that or nothing (haven't heard an alternate plan). Mafia can only take out 1 person every 2 years, so they can't "eliminate" all the blues without us gaining anything with the blues we know. I'd assume BC would be the first to die, then myself. This way mafia's hits do not get stopped, unless they want to risk a protect, where the odds are in the BC's favor. The coroner should have popped at some time confirming BC and our first lynch and letting me flawlessly assume second doctor. I die next, because of the repeat scenario. Ace get's a hit off, DT reveals 2 checks, and Lawyer gives any info or clues based on diaries. Come 1906, mafia hit 3 people, 2 doctors and most likely the DT, who has given us info on two people. At the same time we had 1 lynch and ace's hit, confirming him, and then another lynch. If Inf checked LSB and beneather and you both came back town, the last three would be under heavy scrutiny (the 5 who claimed town will most likely have 3 dead among their number. Mafia hit Ace in 1908, and the confirmed coroner and Lawyer remain along with two role checked townies. Then GF is one of the townies.

We can analyze dual claims quite well with a DT with guaranteed 2 checks (unless mafia fakeclaim one, that would be interesting) and we get plenty of time to do additional analysis as well and maneuvering in the game.

Worse case scenario, mafia claims a role that we do not have. Alternately, mafia claims a claimed role, in which case we have to be resourceful depending on what role was dual claimed. Best case, DT checks mafia who claimed vanilla tow, Ace vigs another who was GF, and DT checks another and hes mafia > we win without using diplo mechanic or analysis (aside form DT)

I like our odds, mafia has to fakeclaim blue, and we can still visualize the actual set-up if there are 3 different extra blues lying around.
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
February 17 2011 02:58 GMT
#162
Though looking at it again, it seems a lot more viable to do the roleclaim after W1902. We can buy more time rather then subjecting the doctor to a first kill, an coroner can prove himself by taking the claim of himself and the hit. There is no vet though, we would get lucky if they hit green.
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Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
February 17 2011 03:25 GMT
#163
Doesn't revealing have that fundamental problem of giving mafia a perfect list of who to hit? Sure there could be protection but with multiple blues having claimed the mafia can be fairly sure they arent lying etc
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Oh goodness me, FOX tv where do you get your sight? Can't you keep track, the puck is black. That's why the ice is white.
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
February 17 2011 12:34 GMT
#164
They only have 1 kp and they have very good chances to take out a blue regardless, and there is no vet.
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Beneather
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada451 Posts
February 17 2011 22:59 GMT
#165
How does the mafia win in this game when they have the most votes that it over runs the town? So lets say there's 3 mafias and 1 town but the townie has more countries than the other 3 does it mean the game still goes on?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Day[9} <3
Incognito
Profile Joined November 2008
United States2071 Posts
February 17 2011 23:38 GMT
#166
On February 18 2011 07:59 Beneather wrote:
How does the mafia win in this game when they have the most votes that it over runs the town? So lets say there's 3 mafias and 1 town but the townie has more countries than the other 3 does it mean the game still goes on?


The only way one townie could have more votes than mafia is if they have a majority of the SCs. A majority of the SCs is 18. Townies get a solo win at 12. So if the situation you describe would not happen as that townie would win way before this scenario occurred.
The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy
Incognito
Profile Joined November 2008
United States2071 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-18 01:00:19
February 18 2011 01:00 GMT
#167
[image loading]
Fall 1902


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[image loading]
Austria: A Bud-Vie
Austria: A Tri H

Balkans: A Bul H
Balkans: A Ser-Gre

England: F Yor-Lon

France: A Bre-Gas
France: A Mar-Spa

Germany: A Ber H
Germany: A Kie-Hol

Italy: A Rom-Apu
Italy: F Nap-ION

Lowlands: A Bel-Ruh
Lowlands: A Mun H

Norway: A Swe-Fin
Norway: A Nor H

Russia: A Sev-Ukr
Russia: A Mos-StP

Spain: F Spain(sc)-Por

Turkey: A Ank-Con
Turkey: F Smy-AEG


It is now Fall 1902. You have until 8 PM EST on Saturday to submit your orders.
The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy
Beneather
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada451 Posts
February 18 2011 01:31 GMT
#168
:o Looks like france wants Spain :O This looks likes Ace is fucked!
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Day[9} <3
LunarDestiny
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States4177 Posts
February 18 2011 01:35 GMT
#169
France is drawing first blood. Incoming ragefest.
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
February 18 2011 01:48 GMT
#170
On February 18 2011 10:31 Beneather wrote:
:o Looks like france wants Spain :O This looks likes Ace is fucked!

Are you going to take Tunisia?
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
February 18 2011 02:56 GMT
#171
How's this going down, Turkey?

~your friendly neighbor, Balkans
Translator:3
infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
February 18 2011 03:33 GMT
#172
On February 18 2011 11:56 infinitestory wrote:
How's this going down, Turkey?

~your friendly neighbor, Balkans

P.S. You too, Italy.
Translator:3
Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
February 18 2011 03:43 GMT
#173
On February 18 2011 10:35 LunarDestiny wrote:
France is drawing first blood. Incoming ragefest.


Technically, although there is "no blood", Nemesis made the first move.
靈魂交響曲
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
February 18 2011 03:51 GMT
#174
wow inf really trusts me. MASS CLAIM YES NO?
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
February 18 2011 03:52 GMT
#175
On February 18 2011 12:51 bumatlarge wrote:
wow inf really trusts me. MASS CLAIM YES NO?

I feel ignored
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
February 18 2011 04:09 GMT
#176
For:
Ace
Bum
Nemesis

Against:
LSB
Coag
fish

?:
divinek(didnt say)
inf (ignored)
Beneather (ignored)
BC (nothing)
shockey (nothing)

Ace already claimed so give your opinions. I think it might be better to wait until after night so we can buy a night. Mafia win in 1913 anyway, so after doc ad app die (if they dont get hit), it will already be spring of 1907. We only get 4 lynches to kill 3 mafia. I think claiming now or tomorrow gives us the best chances.
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Nemesis
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2568 Posts
February 18 2011 04:13 GMT
#177
On February 18 2011 12:43 Fishball wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2011 10:35 LunarDestiny wrote:
France is drawing first blood. Incoming ragefest.


Technically, although there is "no blood", Nemesis made the first move.

How did I make the first move? All I did was expand.

Coag I see that you are rather getting close to my land :X
Lee Young Ho fighting! KT P are just CHINTOSSTIC.
Beneather
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada451 Posts
February 18 2011 04:18 GMT
#178
On February 18 2011 10:48 LSB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2011 10:31 Beneather wrote:
:o Looks like france wants Spain :O This looks likes Ace is fucked!

Are you going to take Tunisia?


Of course :D
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Day[9} <3
Beneather
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada451 Posts
February 18 2011 04:22 GMT
#179
Mass Claim... hmm. I think it's a good idea because it has a lot of ways to catch mafia slip ups and we can lynch 1 player if two overlap or something we can lynch one then kill the other. There are 11 players 4 mafia so 7 townies 6 roles 1 townie so 1 to each player so we'll know if there's an overlap. I think Mass claim is the way to go.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Day[9} <3
Beneather
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada451 Posts
February 18 2011 04:23 GMT
#180
Also, we should use Ace's vig hit ASAP because if we don't the mafia we'll get him and we'll lose one of townie kps w/out even using it.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Day[9} <3
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