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mptj
United States485 Posts
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Chrispy
Canada5878 Posts
On March 07 2010 12:06 Maero wrote: ...what? Trinity Force is pretty universally regarded as an awesome item, if not one of the best in the game. Not sure where this is coming from; almost every hero gets either trinity or lb by the endgame. Incoming 1000x "Maybe at your ELO" posts. But Trinity Force isn't all too great unless you're someone like udyr or nidalee in which you're just constantly spamming qwe qwe qwe during your melee attacks. Other than that there are plenty of better items. | ||
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Southlight
United States11767 Posts
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
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Mazer
Canada1086 Posts
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mptj
United States485 Posts
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StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
On March 07 2010 12:56 mptj wrote: So, I just bought Singed and this champion is so wishy-washy. Idk, i was on a 10 game winning spree before I bought him (with Twitch if youre wondering) and I'm in a high skill bracket(nearing the 450th win :D) and with Singed I'm 1-2 :p I just think he feels so weird, right now my item build is regrowth pendant, then when i shop i get boots and ctalyst, then when i shop again I get boots of swiftness and rod of ages, I then get a force of nature, and by then the game has usually ended. For summoner spells I'm running ghost, teleport and Idk any tips appreciated :D The regrowth is destroying your item progression. You're hitting your catalyst and rod SO much later than you need to. And boots of swift really isn't needed with his ulti and ghost walk. Merc treads so much better. Force of nature is also a real bad item on him. If you wanted MR that bad, just get banshee veil. TONS of hp and a bubble, compared to force which is pure regen and some piddly move speed. Singed really should not be doing some 550 move speed chases. Their team will just catch up to you anyway and own. The puke slow is what lets you catch them. And if burst speed is needed, ghostwalk is all you gotta get. | ||
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ecnahc
United States395 Posts
Trinity also got the snare nerfed pretty hard recently as well as the on proc damage, it's still OK and still core on some heros. AD nidalee, poppy, etc. On March 07 2010 12:56 mptj wrote: So, I just bought Singed and this champion is so wishy-washy. Idk, i was on a 10 game winning spree before I bought him (with Twitch if youre wondering) and I'm in a high skill bracket(nearing the 450th win :D) and with Singed I'm 1-2 :p I just think he feels so weird, right now my item build is regrowth pendant, then when i shop i get boots and ctalyst, then when i shop again I get boots of swiftness and rod of ages, I then get a force of nature, and by then the game has usually ended. For summoner spells I'm running ghost, teleport and Idk any tips appreciated :D If you want to try something different, go for regrowth -> boots1 -> catalyst -> giantsbelt -> boots3 -> warmogs -> FoN if the game is still going for whatever reason make the catalyst into banshees. A friend of mine is an extremely tank centric player and has close to 3:1 winrate with various tanks using the above build. I'll never understand the fascination with RoA, sure it's good if you can get it before 15 but you sacrifice so much and even then it's got no EHP and no regen which are key for tanks. Edit again: Apparently he just read this and this build is only for singed/morde and I'm a noob, etc. So there you go. | ||
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StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
I get 3.5k HP on singed EASILY while buying nothing more than a ruby crystal for HP. Singed's passive people -_-. Stack AP and mana, and get a guardian after you hit 3k if tanking is really a problem. | ||
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ecnahc
United States395 Posts
On March 07 2010 15:40 StorkHwaiting wrote: Any singed build that buys HP items outside of rod of ages/banshee's veil is a really bad build. I get 3.5k HP on singed EASILY while buying nothing more than a ruby crystal for HP. Singed's passive people -_-. Stack AP and mana, and get a guardian after you hit 3k if tanking is really a problem. Let me put it this way, if the item said +831 hp +80 ap 15 minutes after buying it, 3k gold. Would you still buy it? Warmog's gives over 1000 hp and insane regen. Coupled with the regen from FoN, you're looking at 130hp/5 from items alone with enough MR to last you until banshees and enough pure HP to last you until sunfire/thornmail. Edit: Due to lack of other things to do, I spent about 20 minutes doing singed builds on the leaguecraft calculator thing. I assumed lvl 18 and 0/9/21, just a personal preference on spec you could go x/21/x and still have nearly the same results. For runes, mpen/dodge/magic resist per lvl/hp quints for each build. Boots3 banshees double RoA @ 40 minutes, level 18. (lol when does this happen?): + Show Spoiler + HP 4334.2 (+2579.2) Health Regen (per 1) 3.54 (+0.14) Health Regen (per 5) 17.7 (+0.7) Physical Damage Health 7560.54 (+4162.86) Magical Damage Health 7935.65 (+5566.4) Effective Health 7748.09 (+4864.63) Armor 93.6 (+0) Magic Resist 120.3 (+85.3) Dodge 8.41% (+8.41) Ability Power 160 (+160) Boots3 Fully stacked (120+ creeps) Warmogs, FoN, Banshees @ 40m. (also extremely unlikely in any serious game..): + Show Spoiler + Hit Points 3891.2 (+2136.2) Health Regen (per 1) 42.36 (+38.96) Health Regen (per 5) 211.8 (+194.8) Physical Damage Health 7392.63 (+3994.95) Magical Damage Health 10436.28 (+8067.03) Effective Health 8914.45 (+6030.99) Armor 93.6 (+0) Magic Resist 196.3 (+161.3) Dodge 8.41% (+8.41) Ability Power 0 (+0) Both builds cost nearly the same amount, the RoA build being +200 gold more expensive. The Warmogs/FoN build has 440 less HP, but regenerates that HP in 10 seconds, less than that if the ult is running. The warmogs/FoN build also has increased MR/movespeed while the RoA build gives increased mana, as well as +160 AP(48 damage/tick on poison pre-MR). Both builds have their strong points, but the warmogs/FoN build comes out miles ahead in what I feel are the most important tank centric attributes. | ||
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mrgerry
United States1508 Posts
When I want to go tankier with Singed and expecting to go into a lane where i expect alot of harrassment. My build goes like this: Regrowth Pendant - With sapphire crystal - 2 hp pots ur regen is 15/16 per 5. Regrowth puts me at 28. I really notice a much stronger lane presence between the two and trust me I've used both alot. Boots/Catalyst Rod Force of Nature (Warmog's into FoN if u wanna play selfish and take farm from carries lol) - Gives me about 30-35 extra movespeed which is kinda nice. Real reason behind getting it is it's magic resist and great regen. WIth ult on you can mitigate alot of the damage purely just by out-regening various dots. Frozen Heart - if dps heavy, extra armor is also great for tower diving Abyssal Scepter - always nice for ur team since Singed stays in fight so long ur team benefits heavily from it. IF you expect to have a piss easy lane then by all means go Sapphire - 2 hp pots but regrowth is so much safer. Hell i out-regened a ryze and ashe harassing me in a side lane earlier today :D | ||
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pokeyAA
United States936 Posts
Team AoN from Solomid hosted a giant tourney for all the top players/clans. They ended up winning. Lineup for the two games they won in the semis that put them as champs: Game: 1: Soraka, Jax, Twitch, TF, Kayle Game 3: Soraka, Trist, Taric, TF, NuNu That should put to rest whether Soraka is viable or not :D | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On March 08 2010 15:45 pokeyAA wrote: The more veteran players should know this Team AoN from Solomid hosted a giant tourney for all the top players/clans. They ended up winning. Lineup for the two games they won in the semis that put them as champs: Game: 1: Soraka, Jax, Twitch, TF, Kayle Game 3: Soraka, Trist, Taric, TF, NuNu That should put to rest whether Soraka is viable or not :D hmm, touche. Kayle and Taric both on there too though :D. Nunu is kinda surprising to me, he never really struck me as that good unless you're unleashing a huge beating on the other team with your ult on a regular basis and I assumed that would be very difficult with the supposedly high amount of CC (both those teams are severely lacking CC, so it makes me o_O because of my previous understanding of the higher level metagame). Anyone know how armor/armor penetration interact with abilities that do physical damage? I assumed they'd both apply, but I noticed that my attacks were doing more than my spear chucking with Pantheon today against Baron when I had last whisper, which leads me to believe that armor applies, but armor penetration doesn't... But that doesn't make sense and would upset me if it's the case  | ||
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Southlight
United States11767 Posts
Last Whisper says "attacks." | ||
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Kaniol
Poland5551 Posts
On March 08 2010 15:45 pokeyAA wrote: The more veteran players should know this Team AoN from Solomid hosted a giant tourney for all the top players/clans. They ended up winning. Lineup for the two games they won in the semis that put them as champs: Game: 1: Soraka, Jax, Twitch, TF, Kayle Game 3: Soraka, Trist, Taric, TF, NuNu That should put to rest whether Soraka is viable or not :D I am not a veteran player but, i saw these games live, Messiah was playing Soraka and showing his fpvod on livestream. I remember him mentioning something about StarCraft in one of these games ;p Link to stream - game 1 Link to stream - game 2 Link to stream - game 3 | ||
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Unentschieden
Germany1471 Posts
On March 07 2010 16:25 mrgerry wrote: Well I play alot of Singed and in a high elo bracket so I'll just say how I play him and you can take with it what you want. When I want to go tankier with Singed and expecting to go into a lane where i expect alot of harrassment. My build goes like this: Regrowth Pendant - With sapphire crystal - 2 hp pots ur regen is 15/16 per 5. Regrowth puts me at 28. I really notice a much stronger lane presence between the two and trust me I've used both alot. Pots give 100 per 5.They are IDEAL if the 200HP they heal total is a significant amount for you. They are incredibly good when starting out since you want to stay active in your lane, if you are hit for 400 at level 2 you´d still have to B with Pendant but not with Pots. The Pendant works if you never are 200 HP "behind" you opponents (but in that case you´d be better off with boots) AND you want to build something with the Pendant. On March 07 2010 16:25 mrgerry wrote: Boots/Catalyst Rod Agreed but I usually grab Catalyst before Boots. The Rod is not only exactly what Singed needs but also one of THE most cost effective items in the Game when "full", especially for Singed. On March 07 2010 16:25 mrgerry wrote: Force of Nature (Warmog's into FoN if u wanna play selfish and take farm from carries lol) - Gives me about 30-35 extra movespeed which is kinda nice. Real reason behind getting it is it's magic resist and great regen. WIth ult on you can mitigate alot of the damage purely just by out-regening various dots. FoN: You are right it´s about the MR and Regen since the Movespeed is honeslty not necessary with Singeds Glue and Ult. Thus how about using a vastly more cost effective item: Spirit Visage. It costs only a fraction, also offers MR and a 30% increase in Regen and Healeffects. Singed doesn´t need peak regen ALL the Time but when he engages the enemy/TowerTanks. ergo when he uses his ult. Spirit Visage gives more Regen during the Ult than FoN gives. The CDR is also nice. Still FoN is a stronger Item/Slot and synergizes with SV, so I recommend it as Luxury Item. Warmogs is one of the most INEFFICIENT items in the game, it´s only worth it when it´s full - that takes 125 Minion kills - how often do you get that many in a whole game let alone after buying Warmogs? The entire point of Singeds Passive is that he DOESN´T need straight HP items. You might notice that there is no item left in my build with Regroeth Pendant in it. So after Rod, Boots and Spirit Visage what´s next? Rylaids Scepter thats what. Like any Tank, if they don´t pose a Threath they are just going to be ignored, thus defeating the point. Rylaids not only gives him considerable Damage but the Slow WORKS on Poison Trail and it´s by far the BEST ability to use it on. No other AOE applies the slow constantly. It guarrantees that a Target that is once Poisoned STAYS that way, there is no way anyone can just run out of it with the slow effect. On March 07 2010 16:25 mrgerry wrote: Frozen Heart - if dps heavy, extra armor is also great for tower diving Abyssal Scepter - always nice for ur team since Singed stays in fight so long ur team benefits heavily from it. At that point the Game is essentially over one way or another so Luxury items like Frozen Hearth are the right choice. On March 07 2010 16:25 mrgerry wrote: IF you expect to have a piss easy lane then by all means go Sapphire - 2 hp pots but regrowth is so much safer. Hell i out-regened a ryze and ashe harassing me in a side lane earlier today :D If you expect a piss easy lane don´t buy Pots. Pots are NOT for easy lanes but lanes where things can go wery wrong very fast (every lane with approachingly competent Players) | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
On March 08 2010 21:06 Kaniol wrote: I am not a veteran player but, i saw these games live, Messiah was playing Soraka and showing his fpvod on livestream. I remember him mentioning something about StarCraft in one of these games ;p Link to stream - game 1 Link to stream - game 2 Link to stream - game 3 SICK soraka mid gameplan hahaha | ||
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Southlight
United States11767 Posts
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On March 08 2010 17:01 Southlight wrote:Last Whisper says "attacks." ah, ok, so like, brutalizer/runes will assist physical damage abilities? | ||
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Southlight
United States11767 Posts
As would Starks. Cleaver would not, as it also says physical attacks. | ||
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