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On November 25 2013 02:42 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2013 02:40 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 25 2013 02:39 Bereft wrote:
Chez, do you plan to actually be useful or spout riddles all game? He's already said he wants sci dead, which is one more scumread than HF has given out. I think you are confusing names with scum reads because i too have said plenty of names. Mocsta is a recurring name in my filter don't you think?
why don't you put your vote where your mouth is?
mocsta pointed this out earlier, but i realize now it's a valid query: why are none of you people FOSing mocsta voting for him? i'm looking at you HF, Onegu, JJD(?)
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TBH I'm 60% sure this day is going to end in a no-lynch. No one can agree with each other and scum are probably just sitting in their QT laughing at us.
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On November 25 2013 02:43 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2013 02:39 Bereft wrote:
Chez, do you plan to actually be useful or spout riddles all game? robots understand not the intimate messages. Perhaps your a cyborg as they have infected you my brother. Two robots I have caught, One who slander our dead brother and confirm the presence of the other. The second wants to form a family of robots without love and has broken the Chezinu Rule. I sense progress.
I think you imply that robots follow simple programming and in fact do not understand the sacred rule of chezinu.
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In fact, using such hapless methods as rules such as that of chezinu is in fact what robots are pre-programmed to do, or do you not think as such?
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i would agree with sixty percent odds. there is something that i would like to know. does chezinu write hidden messages only? will he really vote scib?
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On November 25 2013 02:44 Bereft wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2013 02:42 Holyflare wrote:On November 25 2013 02:40 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 25 2013 02:39 Bereft wrote:
Chez, do you plan to actually be useful or spout riddles all game? He's already said he wants sci dead, which is one more scumread than HF has given out. I think you are confusing names with scum reads because i too have said plenty of names. Mocsta is a recurring name in my filter don't you think? why don't you put your vote where your mouth is? mocsta pointed this out earlier, but i realize now it's a valid query: why are none of you people FOSing mocsta voting for him? i'm looking at you HF, Onegu, JJD(?)
I think you'll find that I have and he told me to get off my high horse and that I don't believe anything I say. Quite the reply don't you think?
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On November 25 2013 03:04 Bereft wrote:
i would agree with sixty percent odds. there is something that i would like to know. does chezinu write hidden messages only? will he really vote scib?
He has a stupid "rule of chezinu" that when somebody accuses him of accusing someone else that person must then be scum, therefore he will accuse me shortly but it's silly and most people have heard of it so he's a silly little robot that must be terminated.
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On November 25 2013 03:04 Bereft wrote:
i would agree with sixty percent odds. there is something that i would like to know. does chezinu write hidden messages only? will he really vote scib?
This is Chezinu's role from personality 2. Kita basically took his Personality and made it into a role:
On March 12 2013 12:06 kitaman27 wrote:wherebugsgo as Chezinu has been lynched. Show nested quote +You are Chezinu! You are the valiant leader of the Brown and shall purify the town of the treacherous blues. Once per cycle, you will be given a power to interact and direct your allies. Their identities, however, will not be revealed. In addition, you may survive one night hit. You win when the Brown outnumber all other players. Hidden: Allies are actually non-existant. Chezinu is just crazy. True win condition is surviving until the end of the game.
1) Declaration of War - Allows a cryptic message or video to to put into the night post
2) Rally Cry - PM is sent to all other members with your identity and instructions for them to follow
3) Green and Red make Brown - Is informed (falsly) that a random town and scum have joined their cause and is given to random clues to point to their identities.
4) Strengtheing the Cause - May select a member to invite to join the Brown . You are not informed if they accept or reject your invitation. (invitation is never sent out and is always rejected)
5) A Moment of Sanity - Learns actual win condition+ Show Spoiler +House of Chezinu Weclome to the House of Chez! There are many schools of thought on how one must play the game of mafia. This thread will serve to establish the school of thought founded by Chezinu Isunizehc. Here one may post questions or scenarios to understand how the school would approach or solve a problem.
Below I will summarize building blocks that this school of thought is built upon. As the topic is discussed, the content will be updated and modified for clarityI. The Unreadable Persona
The importance of creating an unreadable persona is to protect your character from getting killed early game by people who can see right through you. If you live longer, you have more time to read other players and strategize.
II. Reaction Reading
The school’s primary methods of discovering a player’s role is through reaction reading. The most efficient technique is through private messaging where you can loosen the guard of your victim. You do this in fun. You start to make jokes and troll around to not only prevent the victim from reading you but to also cause their guard to be lowered. If they think you are just having a grand ole time, they will not be working hard to cover their face. That is when you ask strange and seemingly unrelated questions to get a read. There are many factors to consider when analyzing their reaction including their current mood, your relationship, thread events, and their mind. If private messages are not allowed, you will have to cause chaos in the thread in order to read this. This strategy may cause some dislike which will have to be combated by entertainment, which will be discussed in detailed later. Creating a fantasy world that includes the current events of the game is a great way to attract certain players. If you create a world where you hire employees, mafia may apply for jobs to either get inside information or to pose as a resourceful townie. It gives them an opportunity to post something in the thread if they don’t have anything productive to say. Reaction reading is also a great time to scare the mafia through taunts by claiming you know their roles both publically and privately. Let them know, that you know even if you do not. Also, act confident and pretend you are protected by a medic. This fluff will save you.
III. Communicating Reads Unscathed
The best method is to communicate your reads to a player whom you think is town. This way they can convince town to lynch your targets without you talking heat from mafia or town. Plus, they will trust for being selected to receive your reads. If private messages are allowed, you can simply explain your reads clearly to the recipient. If you cannot message them privately, you will have to find alternative means by posting in the thread without alerting other players. Encryption, code words, stories, stereograms, and riddles are of the most useful methods to portray one's reads without bringing too much attention to oneself (just make sure the recipient can understand the content of these messages). The attention these techniques will bring will be focused on your character and personality. Most people will just ignore the content of your posts and call the useless. However, whether one should use these techniques depends on the atmosphere of the game, which brings us to the next point.
IV. Dynamics of the Game
The game is always changing. The same strategy may not work twice. One must be flexible enough to adjust behavior in order to survive the maximum length of days. Studying the behavior of the players both in and out of the game is of utmost importance. You must monitor the atmosphere of the game to make sure your actions do not break the boundaries of the players or the host.
V. Relationships
Building great relationships with other players will further your lifespan. For it is easier to lynch a stranger than those closest to you. Be sure not to come across as a flatter. Bad guys do that. Be honest. If you truly <3 someone, let them know. It is ok to let someone know if they make you sad. Be real. Don’t get angry. Only pretend to be angry if it is funny. Be humorous. If you are entertaining the crowd, they will not want to see you leave. For the sole purpose of playing the game initially for most players is to have fun. Be fun. If successful, not only will you live longer, but the atmosphere of the game will change for the better (see point IV). Forming relationship will also help you enjoy your time during breaks when you are isolated in your room with no one to talk to. If you find yourself bored and lonely, you can create a thread like this (or interact in one) in order to prepare for your next upcoming game. For you know that when you leave, the threads will die and be bored without your entertainment.
VI. Loop-hole Galore
Once the game has started, it is good to read your role or the op at some point. When one does this is up to their own discretion. When looking at roles or the op, try to find loop holes. Strategies the host does not expect. You may find some powers that you can exploit. When in a crisis, always double check your roles and rules of the game to ensure there is a way out. You may find an unexpected role that can bus you out of a situation or find that you have an unlimited amount of ammo. However, the success of this method depends on the host (point IV). If your host is a rule follower, you will get bussed and be saved. If you host is a spirit follower, you may find yourself out of bullets. You must use caution and not let your creative mind bring you too much hope in a deadly hour.
VII. Style before Victory
Winning is not always easy. Winning with style is harder yet. Before you win a game, you must ask yourself. How do I want to win this? You want to be remembered for the fun you bring to the games and the style in which you win them. Winning the game as lurker is no fun at all, especially when you are mafia. Most of town will not remember that it was you who caused their demise, unless you send them the right message such as spelling GOSU with your night kills and sniping all of the blues roles. However, you must not limit your style to secrets. The reward of winning tastes so much better if you fool the town as one of the most active members. Be creative. Create your own theme if appropriate (point IV) or latch on to another’s, they will appreciate the addition to their fantasy (point V).
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Notice how he has only found 1 robot until I say his name and then suddenly:
On November 25 2013 02:43 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2013 02:39 Bereft wrote:
Chez, do you plan to actually be useful or spout riddles all game? robots understand not the intimate messages. Perhaps your a cyborg as they have infected you my brother. Two robots I have caught, One who slander our dead brother and confirm the presence of the other. The second wants to form a family of robots without love and has broken the Chezinu Rule. I sense progress.
Two robots! He is silly if he thinks it will work here though.
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On November 24 2013 10:43 cDgCorazon wrote:Why Onegu is scum and needs to die:I'm just going to go through Onegu's filter and point out the scummy posts that he has made. Mocsta was kind of right when he says that no one has tried to push a lynch, so I'm going to try and rectify that. + Show Spoiler +On November 20 2013 20:28 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 12:50 Rean wrote:On November 20 2013 12:37 cDgCorazon wrote:
I took a shower. Sorry for not wanting to smell bad.
Moc, I'm quite concerned that you have already used up >25% of your "self-allotted posts". If you're going to start spamming, it's going to be a problem.
Now to my goals/early game statements:
1. I'm not gonna make any meta crap posts. TBH I don't remember anyone's meta and it's ridiculously stupid logic. I'm not going to stand for it and I don't think you guys should either.
2. I'm voting for the scummiest person. My last game was Titanic and it came down to 3-4 days of "X is scum, Y/Z/Q is scum as well". That led the town way off of the path and allowed my scum team the easiest scum win in a very long time. I don't care if they're not on the two lynch trains that are going to form. It's not instant majority so as long as I feel like I'm voting for the scummiest person in my opinion, I'm going to be happy with my vote.
3. I'm going to do my best to not be just an onlooker. I'm gonna try and facilitate discussion and ask a lot of questions instead of just answering questions and throw my ideas out there and just create more chaos.
On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss. We're not going to find scum on the first page. You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game.
Couldn't agree more. Also, don't shit up the thread with useless spam like the LXIII game please. I tried keeping up but the amount of shit posts just trolling/making useless jokes/comments is unbearable and makes it impossible to tell low-laying scum from trolling townies. If anyone goes around posting stupid oneliners without saying anything meaningful they have my vote >.> Reans first post into the thread and it just fakes activity. He doesnt say what he agrees with and there are multiple things to agree with, does he agree with all or only some he, never actually says what points he agrees with. This is a very scummy first post. Also if mocsta didnt retract his post limit on himself I was going to call him scum, but he did and I am ok with it for now. I do want to point out he only takes it after cora points out his spam. But unlike cora I thought it was scummy, because it was a easy way to avoid conversation. The was one more post from mocsta I didnt like will find it in moment it was post 4or 5 where he gives 3 scum reads with no reason and then says half the thread hasnt posted so his reads can change. Coras case on Sciberia is terribad and scummy. Anyway rean is really scumm though. Sorry Im at the mall but when I am home I will catchup on both of my games and be up late playing. Ill be checking in periodicly while Im at the mall though. This is basically his entry post and it doesn't accomplish very much. He kind of makes a stretch when he says that Rean did not point out what he agreed with on my post. I feel that it is because he didn't read the entirety of Rean's post. He then talks about calling Mocsta scum based on a decision he made before he knew whether he was scum or town (Mocsta made his self-imposed post limit pre-game). It's just a play to look like he is analyzing the game when in fact he isn't. After that, he calls my case "terribad and scummy" yet refuses to say why. Didn't he just say that Rean was "really scummy" for not explaining what he liked about my post? He literally just contradicted himself in the same post. Why does he hold Rean to a higher standard than himself? + Show Spoiler +On November 20 2013 21:00 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 16:20 Mocsta wrote:
Anyways, I don't want to drown the thread so gonna take a chill pill and re-read again.
Important things for everyone to know:
As town:
- Corazon is a highly emotional player. From my experiences he doesn't give up - even though he says he will (when tunneled by scum)
- Sciberbia (as I have played with him) is a highly analytical player
- Aquanim is a straight-shooter thinker. He *abhors* trolling/spam; and is a pretty effective communicator. I take him to be a head-strong guy that *should* be injecting his thoughts into the thread without provocation
- Thrawn I don't have meta on and don't care, his thoughts align too much with mine.
The others no idea. Really? You dont know me yet? On November 20 2013 21:12 Onegu wrote:
I dont like mocstas thread pressance attitude, something seems off about his thread captianism to me, like its almost forced. Its almost like he puts a post restiction on himself pregame, game starts he keeps it up, gets called out for it says Im not going to keep it, and then becomes thread captain in a way that doesnt feel natural to me....
Im not a huge fan on the aquanim case either Ill dig into it more in a bit. Wait, didn't he say that he is ok with Mocsta giving up his post limit? Why is he not ok with it now? Also, he just yelled at Mocsta for calling him scum for playing exactly like he does every game. Why is he using that as a way to attack Mocsta? He contradicts himself for the second time in the first 5 posts in his filter. He's holding other players to a higher standard than himself. That's not a townie mindset. He then has that really messed-up post where he quotes Mocsta's filter and I don't even know. + Show Spoiler +On November 21 2013 03:59 Onegu wrote:Dont talk about ongoing games. Two can play at the nitpicking thing. This post is really useless and doesn't go anywhere. A townie would not worry about enforcing the rules and would have not posted this. This goes in line with the fact that his scum read on Mocsta is not really based on anything. He continues on this tunnel without any reasoning and without any proof that Mocsta is scum other than the fact that Mocsta likes to post a lot. + Show Spoiler +On November 21 2013 16:40 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 15:32 Aquanim wrote:On November 21 2013 15:27 Onegu wrote:
Rayn my gut is getting a little tingle from you as I am reading... @OneguCould you explain this further? Do you think he's scum, or are you just happy to see him? Yes somewhat scummy but I cant point to anything yet just a gut feeling, but these gut feelings on rayn have been correct alot of the time. I am slowly reading the thread while getting ready to go out This post shows his feelings on Rayn. He thinks that Rayn is scummy due to a "gut feeling". It's not very good reasoning but I would not have been critical of this had he stayed neutral on the Rayn lynch. Yet: + Show Spoiler +[Note: This is from his giant list of reads where he votes for Mocsta. I didn't want to copy the whole list.]
Calls out posts not needed to be called out like aqua not voteing his top scum read
Rayn calling me scum but not looking at past mini games, his meta reads on me are so bad
Doesnt look like he believes his case on aqua, harping the same point over and over when that point isnt scummy
The post where rayn calls out aqua for his spicydinosaur post was really good
Then he somewhat defemds me, but uses correct meta
Calls out sciberia, I like this post as town,
Calls out bereft also like but I disagree
Disagree with almost all of his reads, but post where he calls out mocsta for my meta was good
Post on if him and Jamp are both scum then lynch jamp first is actually townie for rayn, but not anyone else
Calls out mocsta for the cora vote to consolidate as its townie post town points
Unless is trying to do what I did in WC as scum which I dont see he really is town
Rayn saying those are scumclaims, wrong, but from a town rayn Wait what? Didn't he just say that his "gut" thought that Rayn was scum? He contradicted himself again! To be honest, this looks like at first he made a decision to follow thread sentiment and have suspicion, then changed his mind when he realized that Rayn had a very good chance of being lynched. Onegu continues to blame Mocsta for the Rayn lynch and continue on his un-justified tunnel in an effort to look like he has scum hunting. Other than his list post, he hasn't mentioned anyone outside of myself, Rean (only 1 or 2 times), and Mocsta. He has an agenda to get Mocsta lynched. One could theorycraft and say that Onegu was trying to capitalize off the Rayn lynch and get Mocsta to be lynched D2 to not have to waste a kill on him. I'm not going to talk about much else in his filter. His case on Bereft seems like an attempt to scum-hunt after it was made obvious that Mocsta wasn't going to get lynched. I don't even think Onegu believes in his own case- he doesn't even vote Bereft. His filter dive consists of taking a few of Bereft's posts and making one-line analysis of them. It's not in-depth and I don't think that he wants Bereft to be lynched- he just wants the credit of making a case for the first time in the game. TL;DR 1. He expects other players to play townier than him and is holding them to a higher standard 2. He contradicts himself- a lot. He's even contradicted himself in the same post. 3. He has tunneled Mocsta the whole game, and has only attacked four people, two of which he has only mentioned a few times (Rean and Bereft) 4. His posts and cases wreak to me of only trying to gain credit for scum hunting and not actually getting people lynched There are other points that I have mentioned before in my filter (such as his activity and the fact that he really doesn't care about who gets lynched), but I think this should be enough to warrant his lynching today. I would vote for him now but my vote is already on him. Feel free to ask me questions.
1. I read all of what rean says. Your points are mocsta used his posts alot with spam (this is the only possible thing he could have meant and that is a stretch) because he has a post restriction at the time amd rean is talking to the entire thread when he talks about spam not mocsta. He talks about people makeing oneliners and jokes. He is talking to the thread not mocsta.
The mocsta thing I think is fine. The reason its scummy is he decided on it pregame looked like he was going to keep it up, and then posts a bunch of spam. If you planned on actually doing it and you rolled town, you would make sure your posts meant somthing important not just spammed. And mocsta made a show of keeping it going, even after he said he would take the restricion off, he said he was going to keep numbering his posts, but then he stops. Why stop, why post you are takeing the restriction off but still going to number your posts.
The thing about you is valid, I thought it was bad and scummy, but felt I didnt have anything to add as to why that hadnt been said already. I agree this looks bad.
2) I didnt yell at him, he gave meta for people but not me even though we had very recently played in I think 5 games together, why talk about other players meta but not mine.
I didnt contridict myself, he put a post limit on himself, then he becomes the thread captian posting very often, it didnt and still doesnt feel right to me.
Also the more I thought about it the more mocsta starting the game with the appearance of a post count restriction then posting spammy is scummy. If town puts a post restriction on himself amd really plans on keeping it he doesnt come into the thread with 5 spammy posts, he makes sire those posts count.
Pointing out his mixed reads and scummy reasons. I messed up the url of it and thats my bad.
3) I dont see how you can say town wouldnt post this, he flipped in a ongoing game, I havent flipped in that game, he was scum I dont want him talking about that game and accidently giving up info about it he shouldnt, look how he words it if he words it differently he could give up info, or people think he gave up info on my alignment in that game even if he didnt. So its best to just avoid it and not talk about it when he is saying I played with him in a game he was scum and I hadnt flipped.
4) This goes back to WC mafia where I felt rayn was scum but couldnt put my finger on why amd said my gut, I was right that game. Also at this point you can see in my filter I am not close to caught upon the thread, I shouldnt have posted anything until I was caught up but whateves.
5) I wrote notes as I was reading the thread you can see here how my train of thought on him changes as I read rhe thread, it shows why my read on him changed. You can see I say Im not caught up when I catch up my read changes. Also this is different from mocsta who is caught up has a read, does a random re read and multiple reads drasricly change (he does this 3-4 times) and he doesnt give his reasons.
Also you are correct I have an agenda to get mocsta lynched, its called I am town he is scum, lynch scum to win game
Still havent voted, I do believe my case on bereft, although my case on mocsta is much stronger.
Your TL;DR
1) No idea how you get this, you never talk anything about it in your case so how it is a bullet in your tl;dr I have no idea
2) Nope, maybe if you want to count my read on rayn, but like I said I gave a read not being caught up, when I caught up I changed the read, and gave a stream of thoughts for those reads. Also where did I contridict myself in the same post, I dont see it and you dont point it out. I guess if you want to say I contridicted myself when I said I was going to call mocsta out for the post count thing being scumm and then did call him out I guess, but those arent really contridictions and 2 isnt many or all the time.
3) Not sure why this is scummy. I gave you my notes! I read everything but only comment when I see something scummy.
4) Subjective, and my case on mocsta basicly proves he is scum if you actually read it.
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On November 25 2013 02:47 cDgCorazon wrote:
TBH I'm 60% sure this day is going to end in a no-lynch. No one can agree with each other and scum are probably just sitting in their QT laughing at us.
If it truely looks like that when I am about to sleep, Im going to stay up later than normal tonight, I will vote myself and ask everyone consolidate on me to prevent a no lynch from happening.
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On November 25 2013 03:04 Bereft wrote:
i would agree with sixty percent odds. there is something that i would like to know. does chezinu write hidden messages only? will he really vote scib?
Talking about how or why chezinu plays or might be town can only decrease his effectiveness if he is indeed town. On the other side of the coin if I think he's scum I'd rather him not know this until it's too late for him to adjust his play accordingly. I'm content to just watch and see how often I can figure out what he's getting at.
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And yes In a majority lynch where multiple people think I am scummy and I am part of the cause of a no lynch happening plus my flip validates my cases and I think the mocsta one is good, and really good if I am confirmed town, then yes my flip is the correct play, it gives town tons of info, creates less of a distraction as I wont be around with multiple people tunneled on me not wanting to vote anyone else to actually make a majority happen.
But for now
##VOTE: Mocsta
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I'd really like to know if Rean is gonna get modkilled @ the deadline. If I thought there was any chance we don't get to see what he flips then I'd for sure say that he should be the lynch.
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@Onegu
1)A scum would play to the constrictions that they had enforced on themselves due to being afraid of being hypocritical. Townies would not care and do whatever is needed to lynch scum. That why Mocsta giving up his post restriction is null at worst, town at best.
2)Yeah I misread that post. I'll withdraw that point.
3)That post accomplishes nothing. What were you trying to do with that post? Are you calling him scum for talking about ongoing games? Are you trying to solve the game? No. That post just shits up the thread.
4)"You're right but whatevs" is not a very good defense. If you weren't caught up on the thread, you shouldn't have flip-flopped your read. Your post is just shitting up the thread then.
5)Your switch on Rayn is worse than Mocsta's switches for reasons I've talked about already (Mocsta's vote-switches can't be analyzed too heavy due to a lack of a flip). Your vote switch on Rayn looks like scum deciding to hop on the wagon and then realizing it might be better to be off of it.
My TL;DR
1)I got this point from the first post on Rean where you called him scummy for not explaining himself and then go on to not explain yourself.
2)This point is a bit blunted because I misread on #2, but you still contradicted yourself on the first post on Rean.
3)Your agenda to only focus on Mocsta until your Bereft case is pretty scummy. Especially since you failed to explain your read in-depth on Mocsta until D2, after you had spent >36 hours calling him scum for very weak reasons.
4)It's subjective but it looks really obvious to me. Why haven't you voted on your cases? I'm very curious to know.
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EBWOP: Ok you voted for Mocsta. Do you still believe that Bereft is scum? If so, why is Mocsta a better lynch than Bereft in your opinion? (I think they're both bad lynches today).
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@Chezinu
Which traitor does the brown empire/army/whatever it is want to lynch today?
@HF
Once again, I implore you to give me a scumread. Tell me who you want to vote and vote for them. "I'm doctor so I'm exempt from playing" isn't an excuse.
@everyone else
We all need to get in the thread and start talking again. We have <9 hours until the lynch and if we don't lynch anyone today we are going to fall so far behind. We have too many question marks in HF/Onegu/Chezinu (via jampi) to not get any information out of this day. Let's make a lynch happen.
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On November 25 2013 03:35 cDgCorazon wrote:
EBWOP: Ok you voted for Mocsta. Do you still believe that Bereft is scum? If so, why is Mocsta a better lynch than Bereft in your opinion? (I think they're both bad lynches today).
Yes I still feel bereft is scum.
There are a few reasons why my vote is going on mocsta over bereft.
1. I think my case on mocsta is much, much stronger and after going over everything in both their filters multiple times I have a stronger scum read on mocsta
2. Mocsta is the better player, even if I didnt have a stronger read on him and my reads were close to the same stregnth I would vote mocsta as getting rid of the stronger scum player is more important
3. I have trouble reading newbies, my case on bereft hasnt recieved much feedback, so my scumread on him isnt as strong, still think he is scum though. The feed back I got was I am scum makeing a fake case lol or I will look into bereft from my very strong scum read.
I am working on finishing up my mocsta case now with the proper quotes and fleshed out notes, not just what I jotted down in my notebook.
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@Onegu
So this:
On November 25 2013 02:36 Bereft wrote:##Unvotei'll let this HF thing play out. instead, i'll go with: ##Vote: MocstaShow nested quote +On November 25 2013 00:10 Mocsta wrote:On November 24 2013 23:57 Bereft wrote:hi mocsta, i saw you sent me some discussion prompters last night. i promise i'll get to them. but first, i wanted to address this: On November 24 2013 16:09 Mocsta wrote:On November 24 2013 16:05 sciberbia wrote:@Mocsta So here I am most definitely the best lynch today: + Show Spoiler +On November 24 2013 09:31 Mocsta wrote:I didn't think it would take 13minutes for a response. But whatevers, I obviously haven't had a chance to look into Scibs filter in detail (or at all) since i was consumed with Corazon. Things I remember from Scibs - Terrible case on Corazon - Came in and gave a town read on Rayn, and then semi-AFK'd, he stated he wanted Onegu lynched as a priority but it was clear he was happy playing second-fiddle - Gives a defense of Bereft; and if Onegu was his best scum read, *SHOULD* have followed through with why Onegu is intentionally misrepresenting play and why Onegu is the best lynch for today. Essentially 2 cycles in a row, Scibs is happy emailing everyone a bulletin of his intentions and doing nothing to campaign for them. ##Unvote##Vote: SciberbiaIf someone wants to filter dive him whilst I'm gone, and prove otherwise - go ahead. until that point in time, he is most definitely the best lynch for today. And here 4 hours later I'm not even in your top 4. + Show Spoiler +On November 24 2013 13:04 Mocsta wrote:
I'm liking a lunch between jjd/onegu jampi/rean today.
jampi/rean might be modkilled so I'm going to join and vote
##unvote
##votte: jarjardrinks
Nobody "did a filter dive while you were gone" and proved I was town, so what's the reasoning for this? nothing. you constantly make me paranoid with absense. so I make a point against you and you alleviate that paranoia. painful but true. gonna be out for 3 to 4 hrs now. if you want anything else, lemme k ow can you please expand on what specifically alleviated your concerns on sciberia? you say that it's his absence that made you paranoid. but in your actual vote, you make no mention that his absence is a concern: + Show Spoiler + On November 24 2013 09:31 Mocsta wrote:I didn't think it would take 13minutes for a response. But whatevers, I obviously haven't had a chance to look into Scibs filter in detail (or at all) since i was consumed with Corazon. Things I remember from Scibs - Terrible case on Corazon - Came in and gave a town read on Rayn, and then semi-AFK'd, he stated he wanted Onegu lynched as a priority but it was clear he was happy playing second-fiddle - Gives a defense of Bereft; and if Onegu was his best scum read, *SHOULD* have followed through with why Onegu is intentionally misrepresenting play and why Onegu is the best lynch for today. Essentially 2 cycles in a row, Scibs is happy emailing everyone a bulletin of his intentions and doing nothing to campaign for them. ##Unvote##Vote: SciberbiaIf someone wants to filter dive him whilst I'm gone, and prove otherwise - go ahead. until that point in time, he is most definitely the best lynch for today. furthermore, you said this: On November 24 2013 14:45 Mocsta wrote:
If anything
Bereft pointer between the two games where I am confirmed scum; indicates I am town this game.
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When referring to onegu, i call him tunneled and then imemdiately ask him questions to try and probe his alignment.
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When referring to Artanis, I call him tunnel, discredit him and then suggest him to go look for scum elsewhere.
Two extremely different approaches to the same issue (someone tunneling me as scum). The difference in approach is due to motive.
In (2) I just want to get the heat off me. In (1) I am actually trying to figure out if this guy is sincere in his tunnel to justify lack of contribution. is this not an attempt at discrediting my opinion? On November 24 2013 13:09 Mocsta wrote:
really bereft??
seriously, post game I would love to know what is so scummy about my play.
regardless of how I play scum personally, I don't even see how what I'm pushing is scummy?
I get poor play - and I'm extremely time poor this weekend. maybe ibshouldnt try to be a thread driver, but I see no one else taking ownership to move the thread forward
why does it take until a vote is thrown for people to come out of the woodworks.
its ok. I don't think u r scum though. when unconfident its normal to become paranoid.
ciao 2. no thats not a discredit. thats me stating I find you to be not confident in tpyour reads. discredit would be to call you a noon and insinuate younpack scum hunting capability. my point was, when uncertain its easy to jump over anything that doesn't agree with your opinion.,,, notice I have done that a lot this cycle. hence, I think you are unconfident town, rather than scum taking an opportune moment to discredit me 1. I can't really explain it. hes sitting in this awkward zone for me where he seems to care about the lynch. but is inactive enough not to have thread presence to campaign. I.e, ideal lblending spot for scum, if there is active svum in this game. by virtue of activity it would be sciberbisa.can cross that bridge when one scum is left thoguh are any of you buying what he's selling? i am very unsatisfied by his excuses for why he almost tripped over himself backpedaling from the sciberia vote.
is a bus?
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Also in my case I somehow posted aquanims response, no idea how that happened....
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