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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 24 2013 22:26 GMT
#1621
Cor the only reason I haven't joined your Onegu wagon is because I don't have any confidence that I can pick him out when he's scum. I just now read his case and it didn't make me feel anything at all about his alignment. The same goes for the rest of his filter. I don't know if it's language barrier or what, but I am never confident reading him no matter if I think he's town or scum. I honestly don't know how to make that call and if I end up voting him, it will mostly be a process of elimination and consolidation vote.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
November 24 2013 22:27 GMT
#1622
@Chezinu: Why do you want to lynch Sciberbia today?
Bereft
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1007 Posts
November 24 2013 22:27 GMT
#1623
alright guys let's get our shit together. if you guys can't rally behind a mocsta or HF lynch, I think we should lynch chezinu if he doesn't come back into the thread with something useful. I'm not keen to lynch JJD or onegu over chezinu right now.
Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 24 2013 22:27 GMT
#1624
On November 25 2013 07:26 thrawn2112 wrote:
Cor the only reason I haven't joined your Onegu wagon is because I don't have any confidence that I can pick him out when he's scum. I just now read his case and it didn't make me feel anything at all about his alignment. The same goes for the rest of his filter. I don't know if it's language barrier or what, but I am never confident reading him no matter if I think he's town or scum. I honestly don't know how to make that call and if I end up voting him, it will mostly be a process of elimination and consolidation vote.

I told you to have more of a thread presence today and you've failed to do that. It's detrimental to town.
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 24 2013 22:28 GMT
#1625
I'm going to stand by my game long stance that Mocsta is super town. I think his personality causes his posts to look suspicious, like he's at least as concerned with coming off as intelligent or funny as he is with playing the game and that makes his posts look more suspicious than they should.

"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
November 24 2013 22:32 GMT
#1626
On November 25 2013 07:27 Bereft wrote:
alright guys let's get our shit together. if you guys can't rally behind a mocsta or HF lynch, I think we should lynch chezinu if he doesn't come back into the thread with something useful. I'm not keen to lynch JJD or onegu over chezinu right now.

You think the Jampidampi slot's a better lynch over the Rean one?
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 24 2013 22:36 GMT
#1627
On November 25 2013 07:27 cDgCorazon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2013 07:26 thrawn2112 wrote:
Cor the only reason I haven't joined your Onegu wagon is because I don't have any confidence that I can pick him out when he's scum. I just now read his case and it didn't make me feel anything at all about his alignment. The same goes for the rest of his filter. I don't know if it's language barrier or what, but I am never confident reading him no matter if I think he's town or scum. I honestly don't know how to make that call and if I end up voting him, it will mostly be a process of elimination and consolidation vote.

I told you to have more of a thread presence today and you've failed to do that. It's detrimental to town.


+ Show Spoiler [for corazon] +

Stop talking to me unless you're wanting to converse about reads or unless you decide I'm scum and want to figure it out. Yesterday I hadplanned on moving the thread along but I kept coming back in and seeing you throwing a fit and voting anyone who got on your nerves. You were acting like rayn did, trying to take complete control over the thread and telling everyone what they can and can't talk about. I went with the "if you don't have anything nice to say" idea so I ignored this game until you calmed down.


On November 25 2013 07:27 Bereft wrote:
alright guys let's get our shit together. if you guys can't rally behind a mocsta or HF lynch, I think we should lynch chezinu if he doesn't come back into the thread with something useful. I'm not keen to lynch JJD or onegu over chezinu right now.


Why do you want to lynch Chezinu? Do you think he will flip red? Ignore consolidation and everything... who do you want to lynch?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
November 24 2013 22:39 GMT
#1628
On November 25 2013 07:22 cDgCorazon wrote:
Lol this game is over.

Alakaslam isn't going to read the game.
Chezinu isn't going to read the game.
HF isn't going to play, only going to hide under his doc claim.
Thrawn isn't going to play, only going to buddy everyone.
JJD/Bereft/Onegu/Sciberia aren't active enough (over the course of the entire game, Onegu is doing better though)

@Aqua/Moc
Let's just vote all of these guys out systematically? Then we can have a 3-way Mexican standoff if we haven't killed the scum yet.

Well, if it isn't two people duking it out with fallacies on every page I will. I'll need time to help much ofc, but there has hardly been any.

I'm coming from a 300+ page game cora. This is hefty but it isn't 100 yet.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
November 24 2013 22:42 GMT
#1629
@Alakaslam: Just so you know, you're replacing into a slot I really wanted to lynch. I'll try and give you time to read the game and make your own reads - I'd really appreciate it if you post your thoughts long enough before the lynch I can think about them.
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
November 24 2013 22:44 GMT
#1630
@Onegu: How many games have you played with Mocsta in the past?
Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 24 2013 22:45 GMT
#1631
@Thrawn
Look at my last 24 hours of posts. You haven't been there and I've been trying to get shit done. I warned you that my spotlight would be on you after D1 if you didn't step up your contributions. You haven't, so we are at this point now.

No one else seriously wants to lynch Onegu
Lynching HF is a risk
I wasn't sure we were planning on lynching Chezinu/Slam
I don't want to lynch Mocsta/Aqua

All of this means that I have to look at other options. You were the first one to pop in my head. I got my point across; you suddenly de-lurked and now we are having conversation again
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 24 2013 22:51 GMT
#1632
I'm gonna go do some homework. I'll be checking into the thread every once in a while.

@Mocsta
When you get back into the thread, please explain the reasoning behind your random vote switches. Thank you.
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 24 2013 22:54 GMT
#1633
read this

+ Show Spoiler +

On November 24 2013 12:06 JarJarDrinks wrote:
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On November 24 2013 12:01 thrawn2112 wrote:
you insist on outing every single roll
citation needed



On November 24 2013 12:14 JarJarDrinks wrote:
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On November 24 2013 12:05 thrawn2112 wrote:
##Vote: JarJarDrinks

I might can do the Onegu thing but I need to reaffirm my position on him. I am much more confident about JarJar for the reasons I posted in the "notes" spoiler and what I said in my last quote.

Are you Fn kidding me? + Show Spoiler +
On November 24 2013 11:56 thrawn2112 wrote:
-jarjar... don't like his posts, and haven't liked them for awhile now ever since I read what rayn said about him. i don't like his focus on cora or how he goes about it and I don't like how much he likes talking about hf's claim. i dont like how he thinks getting hf to post flavor is alignment indicative (almost all hosts provide fake claims) and I don't like that he asked other people to claim to try and confirm hf's story. scum
THAT'S your case? You don't like my posts? Well way to make a case that I couldn't possibly defend myself against. What don't you like about my posts. Why is it scummy to focus on cora? Why is it scummy to ask for flavor? This is the most vague bullshit case I've seen. The only thing you posted that is actually scummy is a complete lie.



On November 24 2013 12:35 JarJarDrinks wrote:
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On November 24 2013 12:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
On November 24 2013 12:06 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On November 24 2013 12:01 thrawn2112 wrote:
you insist on outing every single roll
citation needed


Making an issue over obvious sarcasm is scummy.
Uh no. It's not sarcasm because you said the same thing in your "case" against me?

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On November 24 2013 11:56 thrawn2112 wrote:
-jarjar... don't like his posts, and haven't liked them for awhile now ever since I read what rayn said about him. i don't like his focus on cora or how he goes about it and I don't like how much he likes talking about hf's claim. i dont like how he thinks getting hf to post flavor is alignment indicative (almost all hosts provide fake claims) and I don't like that he asked other people to claim to try and confirm hf's story. scum
So were you being sarcastinc there too? If not, please explain why you lied.



On November 24 2013 12:39 JarJarDrinks wrote:
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On November 24 2013 12:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
On November 23 2013 00:15 JarJarDrinks wrote:
The fact that you think that rayn was completly wrong w/ all of his reads and gave me AND bereft townreads after the flip is suspicious to me.


townie "the thing you did is suspicious"

scummy "the thing you did is suspicious to me"

Reason? It's forced and fake. "Is suspicious" is more aggressive/confrontational, or townie. When you say something "is suspicious" you are saying that something is suspicious. You are trying to make a point to everyone else in the thread that X person is scummy for X reasons. When you say something "is suspicious to me" you are allowing that maybe it's not that suspicious, but it is to you. It's also forced and fake because it's too many words. When you want to say something there is a natural way of saying it, and natural ways of saying things have a lower word-count than ways of saying things thought up by somebody who is lying.
This can't be a real case right? This is more sarcasm I assume?



On November 24 2013 22:32 JarJarDrinks wrote:
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On November 24 2013 16:51 thrawn2112 wrote:
JJD hasn't done anything. Lately he's thrown dirt on Cora, Mocsta, and spent a lot of time talking about HF's claim which would be an easy thing for scum to talk about. He's not talking to people trying to convince them of his reads, and as Mocsta pointed out his delurk timing to defend himself after I randomly voted him doesn't look good. Combine that with what someone just pointed out about his actions leading up the lynch and I think there's a pretty obvious pattern suggesting that he doesn't actually care about discussion or helping town trying to figure out who to lynch.
OK, go back and reread and then come back and explain to the town that this did not happen. That's the 2nd time you've posted a lie to make me look scummy.



When you (JJD) think that somebody (thrawn) is lying and making ridiculous cases against you, wouldn't you be suspicious of them? Does JJD sound like he's suspicious of me? No, he's just really angry. He's angry because he's scum and he's mad that I figured out that he's scum and he thinks my cases are bad and doesn't believe he should be lynched because of them. If he was town and decided I was intentionally lying to mislynch him he would looking into my filter and asking me questions about it, or saying my push on him is scummy, etc.

##vote: JarJarDrinks

Corazon.. I made a bunch of posts about why JJD is mafia last night. You barely commented on them besides saying it was too hasty of a vote. If you want me to even think about not lynching JJD then you need to convince me that I'm wrong about him.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 24 2013 22:54 GMT
#1634
Jk my homework isn't due until Wednesday. I'm gonna go watch Red Bull lol
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Bereft
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1007 Posts
November 24 2013 22:56 GMT
#1635
On November 25 2013 07:36 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2013 07:27 cDgCorazon wrote:
On November 25 2013 07:26 thrawn2112 wrote:
Cor the only reason I haven't joined your Onegu wagon is because I don't have any confidence that I can pick him out when he's scum. I just now read his case and it didn't make me feel anything at all about his alignment. The same goes for the rest of his filter. I don't know if it's language barrier or what, but I am never confident reading him no matter if I think he's town or scum. I honestly don't know how to make that call and if I end up voting him, it will mostly be a process of elimination and consolidation vote.

I told you to have more of a thread presence today and you've failed to do that. It's detrimental to town.


+ Show Spoiler [for corazon] +

Stop talking to me unless you're wanting to converse about reads or unless you decide I'm scum and want to figure it out. Yesterday I hadplanned on moving the thread along but I kept coming back in and seeing you throwing a fit and voting anyone who got on your nerves. You were acting like rayn did, trying to take complete control over the thread and telling everyone what they can and can't talk about. I went with the "if you don't have anything nice to say" idea so I ignored this game until you calmed down.


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On November 25 2013 07:27 Bereft wrote:
alright guys let's get our shit together. if you guys can't rally behind a mocsta or HF lynch, I think we should lynch chezinu if he doesn't come back into the thread with something useful. I'm not keen to lynch JJD or onegu over chezinu right now.


Why do you want to lynch Chezinu? Do you think he will flip red? Ignore consolidation and everything... who do you want to lynch?

i want to lynch mocsta today and HF tomorrow, but neither of these are gathering steam.

i've no idea what chezinu and slam will flip as they are fairly unknown entities. right now i'm operating under the assumption that HF's claim is false. if that is true, mafia must be desperate to try to pull something like that, and i think this would be the case if he were stuck with 1-2 lurkers. as it stands, chezinu has shown no intention of spouting off anything but brown propaganda.
Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 24 2013 22:59 GMT
#1636
@Thrawn
Your case was really hasty and not very well researched. You made a small scum read and didn't even follow it up with proof or anything. You just say "I don't like this, I don't like that". You're not trying to convince us that JJD is scum (at least until this last post) and you're not trying to follow through on your read.

On your last post, I think it's a pretty town response from JJD

Scum would try to discredit and attack the person
Town would try to discredit and attack the argument

It's obvious that JJD took the latter approach (he made absolutely no mention of YOU being scum, only your arguments being wrong) and that's why I have a good feeling about him.
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Bereft
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1007 Posts
November 24 2013 23:07 GMT
#1637
thrawn, why are you so certain mocsta is town? is it because he called you his baby??

On November 20 2013 15:28 Mocsta wrote:
post 10
Thrawn baby: De ja Vu all over again.

We might as well be masons + innocent childs


trust me, these sweet nothings will get you nowhere.

do you think onegu's case is without merit?
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 24 2013 23:14 GMT
#1638
you're missing the main point of what I just said. here's what your post should be

On November 25 2013 07:59 cDgCorazon wrote:

Scum would try to discredit and attack the person (this is what he did, trying to discredit me by calling me a liar, but not scum)
Town would try to discredit and attack the argument as well as being suspicious of the person attacking them


Go read those quotes again. Does it look like JJD thinks I'm mafia? He IS trying to discredit me by making fun of my cases and calling me a liar, but he is NOT calling me scum. He is trying to make me look bad, and therfore make my case look bad, without having to stick his neck out by calling me mafia. If he's town, and thought I was lying about him and making really terrible cases he would be suspicious of my motives. He was not suspicious, he was only interested in making me look bad.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
November 24 2013 23:15 GMT
#1639
On JJD:

On November 24 2013 22:45 JarJarDrinks wrote:
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On November 24 2013 22:33 sciberbia wrote:
@JJD
Also even if you were posting from your phone, why didn't you at least give a brief opinion on what you thought about the lynch? Were you confident about a rayn lynch the entire time? If so why didn't you try to reassure everyone that it was the right move?
Because it looked like the lynch was a sure thing so I saw no need. When I saw cora unvote and it looked like there might be a mislynch, I was pissed and posted to show that. I just didn't have the time to post a whole lot. And why would I need to since I posted a whole ton of shit against rayn throughout the day? My opinion about the lynch should have been clear.


"Rayn lynch looked like a sure thing"
Bleh... this is slightly believable. I only got really concerned about whether we were going to reach majority in the last hour or so.

"Posted a whole ton of shit against Rayn throughout the day"
This is... sort of true and sort of not. The stuff which JJD posted about Rayn during the day was more along the lines of "shout at Rayn about his inconsistencies" rather than "convince anyone else that Rayn is scum":
+ Show Spoiler +

On November 22 2013 00:39 JarJarDrinks wrote:
So Rayn,

Jampi is scummy because he didn't jump on a vote for you when you made yourself so lynchable.

And Mocs is scummy because he did jump on a vote for you for that exact reason

Am I getting that right???


On November 22 2013 01:13 JarJarDrinks wrote:
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On November 22 2013 00:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 22 2013 00:39 JarJarDrinks wrote:
So Rayn,

Jampi is scummy because he didn't jump on a vote for you when you made yourself so lynchable.

And Mocs is scummy because he did jump on a vote for you for that exact reason

Am I getting that right???

No you are not getting that right.
But it's irrelevant.



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On November 21 2013 23:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 21 2013 23:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
7 are needed to vote, and the closest person to 7 is Rean.

There is more information to be gained from a Rean lynch/mislynch than a no-lynch.

Do you honestly think you can say enough people for who-ever your counter wagon is?

If not, the townie thing to do is secure a Rean lynch - whether you like it or not.

On November 21 2013 23:52 Mocsta wrote:
You know what Rayn.

I think we should oblige.

##Unvote
##Vote: Rayn

I knew you would claim scum. <3
I don't even care if you lynch me but i suggest everyone looks at this post when i flip!!!

I just proved you wrong. And you are going against what you suggested ~10min ago.



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On November 22 2013 00:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Jampidampi that's a really bad post and there was no townie motivation behind my last 10 posts (towards anyone else than Mocsta - who i should probably realize is incapable to see the point anyways, my bad) because that's what i was trying to do.

I can't find any reasons why you should have not voted for me unless you know i am town and therefore scum.


Explain what I'm misinterpreting please


On November 22 2013 01:35 JarJarDrinks wrote:
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On November 22 2013 01:07 Onegu wrote:
On November 21 2013 09:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 21 2013 08:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So hey, you might want to explain this Aquanim.
Here you seem to be agreeing with this:
On November 20 2013 12:37 cDgCorazon wrote:
...

2. I'm voting for the scummiest person. My last game was Titanic and it came down to 3-4 days of "X is scum, Y/Z/Q is scum as well". That led the town way off of the path and allowed my scum team the easiest scum win in a very long time. I don't care if they're not on the two lynch trains that are going to form. It's not instant majority so as long as I feel like I'm voting for the scummiest person in my opinion, I'm going to be happy with my vote.

this. If I see one more person go "X/Y/Z is scumteam GG NO RE #MANNERMULES"... (especially when X/Y/Z are each and every one town...)
/rant

Then you proceed on voting for your non-top scumread.
On November 21 2013 08:34 Aquanim wrote:
Once again, my scumread on Rean was of almost equal strength to that which I had on Corazon.

Why the contradiction?

This is the best case in this game.



Because this is terrible rayn, remember how I was talkimg about if rayn believes in his cases or not makes him scum or town. Yeah there is no way rayn believes this. After in WC I didnt vote my top scumread as town, he knows town do this, yes oir reasons are different but aquas reason is believeable as it was less than 12 hours into day 1.
Yeah I commented on how terrible the case was too. Let alone the best case in the game. ANd furthermore, how good of a case can it be if he now doesn't think aqua is scum anymore.


On November 22 2013 02:02 JarJarDrinks wrote:
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On November 22 2013 01:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I could possibly vote for Aquanim aswell

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On November 21 2013 23:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I would vote for Aquanim over Rean anyday but i don't think he is scum either. Unless thrawn is town, in which case he should swithc his vote on Aqua/Bereft/Onegu right now because those are the scummiest people in thread.

Why even suggest aqua again? Just go ahead and say it: You'll vote for for anyone that keeps yourself or Rean from being lynched.


On November 22 2013 04:28 JarJarDrinks wrote:
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On November 22 2013 04:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Just because look at the last line.

At the time of the comment Mocsta was dead set on lynching me, had his vote on me and wouldn't listen to any other argument. So the " even if we aren't currently skydiving" is a laughable misrepresentation from JarJar.


What are you talking about?

You were trying to imply that Moc asking this question:

"Have you been mislynched before?"

meant the same as:

"Is this the first time you're being mislynched?"


That is a total misrepresentation.


etc.

To emphasise my point: there is only a single instance of JJD talking to anyone but Rayn during this time period and I don't find it a very convincing effort to persuade Corazon:
On November 22 2013 05:31 JarJarDrinks wrote:
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On November 22 2013 05:00 cDgCorazon wrote:
This lynch is so stupid. I can't believe you guys let Mocsta take you by the balls and vote out Rayn just because they were having an ego fight.
I wanted to lynch Rean. Rayn decided jump on the grenade. And now he pretty much wants to lynch ANYONE else.

I think him "marytring" himself is bullshit. As evidenced by the fact that he only kept his vote on himself for a little bit and unvoted as soon as Onegu voted for mocsta so he could see if he could get people to rally behind that lynch.

Even though he had just said 8 minutes prior "I actually wanna get lynched and i am willing to lynch myself"


Now the question I have to ask myself is: "Could JJD, as town, see his play here as being pushing a Rayn lynch?". My answer is "somewhat unlikely, but not impossible". After all, he is posting about Rayn - my problem is that he's almost entirely talking TO Rayn.

I now have to examine Onegu and decide whether the odds on him being town are better or worse than "somewhat unlikely, but not impossible".
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 24 2013 23:16 GMT
#1640
On November 25 2013 08:07 Bereft wrote:
thrawn, why are you so certain mocsta is town? is it because he called you his baby??

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On November 20 2013 15:28 Mocsta wrote:
post 10
Thrawn baby: De ja Vu all over again.

We might as well be masons + innocent childs


trust me, these sweet nothings will get you nowhere.

do you think onegu's case is without merit?


telepathy

Onegu's case was about mocsts switching his scumreads all the time for no reason. Surely after yesterday's lynch everyone has learned not to use that as a scum tell? Onegu needs to prove why Mocsta's switches promote scum agenda and I don't know how that can be done until we see more flips.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
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