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On November 25 2013 07:42 Aquanim wrote:
@Alakaslam: Just so you know, you're replacing into a slot I really wanted to lynch. I'll try and give you time to read the game and make your own reads - I'd really appreciate it if you post your thoughts long enough before the lynch I can think about them.
Ok. I filtered myself and found out, and also see that deadline is soon.
If I get lynched, well rean gets lynched  but I can't possibly be rightly useful to town until later. We are at 80 pages, that will take me about a day, assuming I basically quit the other game. So levy the accusations against me and your current reads so I can not get modkilled right after replacing- and not have it be useless by voting no lynch or some such thing.
Why is who up. Act like I just read my own filter (rean), and therefore know little about anyone.
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On November 25 2013 08:14 thrawn2112 wrote:you're missing the main point of what I just said. here's what your post should be Show nested quote +On November 25 2013 07:59 cDgCorazon wrote:
Scum would try to discredit and attack the person (this is what he did, trying to discredit me by calling me a liar, but not scum)
Town would try to discredit and attack the argument as well as being suspicious of the person attacking them
Go read those quotes again. Does it look like JJD thinks I'm mafia? He IS trying to discredit me by making fun of my cases and calling me a liar, but he is NOT calling me scum. He is trying to make me look bad, and therfore make my case look bad, without having to stick his neck out by calling me mafia. If he's town, and thought I was lying about him and making really terrible cases he would be suspicious of my motives. He was not suspicious, he was only interested in making me look bad.
Maybe he thinks you are just misguided town?
Town can make bad cases too, not just scum.
I think he is trying to make only your case look bad, and you are making the incorrect conclusion that he is trying to make you look bad also. Your lynch isn't on his agenda, so I'm more inclined to think that he just thinks you are town making a bad case, which isn't too far off if you are town.
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Ok, just reading from the vote post, I can see who I like and who I don't particularly care for. But could someone help me here;
Is jar jar drinks scummier than Mocsta or vice versa? Why? Should these wagons exist? Why or why not? I haven't got the full time period until lynch to be here and I kind of owe the first /in
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On November 25 2013 08:24 Alakaslam wrote:
Ok, just reading from the vote post, I can see who I like and who I don't particularly care for. But could someone help me here;
Is jar jar drinks scummier than Mocsta or vice versa? Why? Should these wagons exist? Why or why not? I haven't got the full time period until lynch to be here and I kind of owe the first /in
Mocsta is playing the towniest game of his life. JJD is possible but not certain scum in my book.
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On November 25 2013 08:18 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2013 07:42 Aquanim wrote:
@Alakaslam: Just so you know, you're replacing into a slot I really wanted to lynch. I'll try and give you time to read the game and make your own reads - I'd really appreciate it if you post your thoughts long enough before the lynch I can think about them. Ok. I filtered myself and found out, and also see that deadline is soon. If I get lynched, well rean gets lynched but I can't possibly be rightly useful to town until later. We are at 80 pages, that will take me about a day, assuming I basically quit the other game. So levy the accusations against me and your current reads so I can not get modkilled right after replacing- and not have it be useless by voting no lynch or some such thing. Why is who up. Act like I just read my own filter (rean), and therefore know little about anyone.
I'll oblige:
Onegu: + Show Spoiler +On November 24 2013 10:43 cDgCorazon wrote:Why Onegu is scum and needs to die:I'm just going to go through Onegu's filter and point out the scummy posts that he has made. Mocsta was kind of right when he says that no one has tried to push a lynch, so I'm going to try and rectify that. + Show Spoiler +On November 20 2013 20:28 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 12:50 Rean wrote:On November 20 2013 12:37 cDgCorazon wrote:
I took a shower. Sorry for not wanting to smell bad.
Moc, I'm quite concerned that you have already used up >25% of your "self-allotted posts". If you're going to start spamming, it's going to be a problem.
Now to my goals/early game statements:
1. I'm not gonna make any meta crap posts. TBH I don't remember anyone's meta and it's ridiculously stupid logic. I'm not going to stand for it and I don't think you guys should either.
2. I'm voting for the scummiest person. My last game was Titanic and it came down to 3-4 days of "X is scum, Y/Z/Q is scum as well". That led the town way off of the path and allowed my scum team the easiest scum win in a very long time. I don't care if they're not on the two lynch trains that are going to form. It's not instant majority so as long as I feel like I'm voting for the scummiest person in my opinion, I'm going to be happy with my vote.
3. I'm going to do my best to not be just an onlooker. I'm gonna try and facilitate discussion and ask a lot of questions instead of just answering questions and throw my ideas out there and just create more chaos.
On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss. We're not going to find scum on the first page. You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game.
Couldn't agree more. Also, don't shit up the thread with useless spam like the LXIII game please. I tried keeping up but the amount of shit posts just trolling/making useless jokes/comments is unbearable and makes it impossible to tell low-laying scum from trolling townies. If anyone goes around posting stupid oneliners without saying anything meaningful they have my vote >.> Reans first post into the thread and it just fakes activity. He doesnt say what he agrees with and there are multiple things to agree with, does he agree with all or only some he, never actually says what points he agrees with. This is a very scummy first post. Also if mocsta didnt retract his post limit on himself I was going to call him scum, but he did and I am ok with it for now. I do want to point out he only takes it after cora points out his spam. But unlike cora I thought it was scummy, because it was a easy way to avoid conversation. The was one more post from mocsta I didnt like will find it in moment it was post 4or 5 where he gives 3 scum reads with no reason and then says half the thread hasnt posted so his reads can change. Coras case on Sciberia is terribad and scummy. Anyway rean is really scumm though. Sorry Im at the mall but when I am home I will catchup on both of my games and be up late playing. Ill be checking in periodicly while Im at the mall though. This is basically his entry post and it doesn't accomplish very much. He kind of makes a stretch when he says that Rean did not point out what he agreed with on my post. I feel that it is because he didn't read the entirety of Rean's post. He then talks about calling Mocsta scum based on a decision he made before he knew whether he was scum or town (Mocsta made his self-imposed post limit pre-game). It's just a play to look like he is analyzing the game when in fact he isn't. After that, he calls my case "terribad and scummy" yet refuses to say why. Didn't he just say that Rean was "really scummy" for not explaining what he liked about my post? He literally just contradicted himself in the same post. Why does he hold Rean to a higher standard than himself? + Show Spoiler +On November 20 2013 21:00 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 16:20 Mocsta wrote:
Anyways, I don't want to drown the thread so gonna take a chill pill and re-read again.
Important things for everyone to know:
As town:
- Corazon is a highly emotional player. From my experiences he doesn't give up - even though he says he will (when tunneled by scum)
- Sciberbia (as I have played with him) is a highly analytical player
- Aquanim is a straight-shooter thinker. He *abhors* trolling/spam; and is a pretty effective communicator. I take him to be a head-strong guy that *should* be injecting his thoughts into the thread without provocation
- Thrawn I don't have meta on and don't care, his thoughts align too much with mine.
The others no idea. Really? You dont know me yet? On November 20 2013 21:12 Onegu wrote:
I dont like mocstas thread pressance attitude, something seems off about his thread captianism to me, like its almost forced. Its almost like he puts a post restiction on himself pregame, game starts he keeps it up, gets called out for it says Im not going to keep it, and then becomes thread captain in a way that doesnt feel natural to me....
Im not a huge fan on the aquanim case either Ill dig into it more in a bit. Wait, didn't he say that he is ok with Mocsta giving up his post limit? Why is he not ok with it now? Also, he just yelled at Mocsta for calling him scum for playing exactly like he does every game. Why is he using that as a way to attack Mocsta? He contradicts himself for the second time in the first 5 posts in his filter. He's holding other players to a higher standard than himself. That's not a townie mindset. He then has that really messed-up post where he quotes Mocsta's filter and I don't even know. + Show Spoiler +On November 21 2013 03:59 Onegu wrote:Dont talk about ongoing games. Two can play at the nitpicking thing. This post is really useless and doesn't go anywhere. A townie would not worry about enforcing the rules and would have not posted this. This goes in line with the fact that his scum read on Mocsta is not really based on anything. He continues on this tunnel without any reasoning and without any proof that Mocsta is scum other than the fact that Mocsta likes to post a lot. + Show Spoiler +On November 21 2013 16:40 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 15:32 Aquanim wrote:On November 21 2013 15:27 Onegu wrote:
Rayn my gut is getting a little tingle from you as I am reading... @OneguCould you explain this further? Do you think he's scum, or are you just happy to see him? Yes somewhat scummy but I cant point to anything yet just a gut feeling, but these gut feelings on rayn have been correct alot of the time. I am slowly reading the thread while getting ready to go out This post shows his feelings on Rayn. He thinks that Rayn is scummy due to a "gut feeling". It's not very good reasoning but I would not have been critical of this had he stayed neutral on the Rayn lynch. Yet: + Show Spoiler +[Note: This is from his giant list of reads where he votes for Mocsta. I didn't want to copy the whole list.]
Calls out posts not needed to be called out like aqua not voteing his top scum read
Rayn calling me scum but not looking at past mini games, his meta reads on me are so bad
Doesnt look like he believes his case on aqua, harping the same point over and over when that point isnt scummy
The post where rayn calls out aqua for his spicydinosaur post was really good
Then he somewhat defemds me, but uses correct meta
Calls out sciberia, I like this post as town,
Calls out bereft also like but I disagree
Disagree with almost all of his reads, but post where he calls out mocsta for my meta was good
Post on if him and Jamp are both scum then lynch jamp first is actually townie for rayn, but not anyone else
Calls out mocsta for the cora vote to consolidate as its townie post town points
Unless is trying to do what I did in WC as scum which I dont see he really is town
Rayn saying those are scumclaims, wrong, but from a town rayn Wait what? Didn't he just say that his "gut" thought that Rayn was scum? He contradicted himself again! To be honest, this looks like at first he made a decision to follow thread sentiment and have suspicion, then changed his mind when he realized that Rayn had a very good chance of being lynched. Onegu continues to blame Mocsta for the Rayn lynch and continue on his un-justified tunnel in an effort to look like he has scum hunting. Other than his list post, he hasn't mentioned anyone outside of myself, Rean (only 1 or 2 times), and Mocsta. He has an agenda to get Mocsta lynched. One could theorycraft and say that Onegu was trying to capitalize off the Rayn lynch and get Mocsta to be lynched D2 to not have to waste a kill on him. I'm not going to talk about much else in his filter. His case on Bereft seems like an attempt to scum-hunt after it was made obvious that Mocsta wasn't going to get lynched. I don't even think Onegu believes in his own case- he doesn't even vote Bereft. His filter dive consists of taking a few of Bereft's posts and making one-line analysis of them. It's not in-depth and I don't think that he wants Bereft to be lynched- he just wants the credit of making a case for the first time in the game. TL;DR 1. He expects other players to play townier than him and is holding them to a higher standard 2. He contradicts himself- a lot. He's even contradicted himself in the same post. 3. He has tunneled Mocsta the whole game, and has only attacked four people, two of which he has only mentioned a few times (Rean and Bereft) 4. His posts and cases wreak to me of only trying to gain credit for scum hunting and not actually getting people lynched There are other points that I have mentioned before in my filter (such as his activity and the fact that he really doesn't care about who gets lynched), but I think this should be enough to warrant his lynching today. I would vote for him now but my vote is already on him. Feel free to ask me questions. Most of this is true but I think the part after the second quote was me misreading. Most of this is still pretty good evidence IMO.
Holyflare: Holyflare claimed doctor N1 for absolutely no reason and said that he saved Thrawn. He replaced in late D1 and has not done much. His excuse? His doctor claim obviously means he is town (it's not an excuse).
Mocsta: Basically the fact that his votes gone through Onegu, Sciberia, and JJD in very rapid succession. He is all over the place with a lot of his reads.
JJD: I'm not entirely sure. Something about his Rayn vote and tunneling me.
Jampi (Chezinu): Jampi has been non-existant the whole game and would probably be the unanimous wagon if he had not been replaced and forced us to talk about other people.
Rean (You): Rean's filter is short and according to Aqua he gave very little of his own opinions and some other stuff. Ask Aqua about the Rean case.
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On November 25 2013 08:24 Alakaslam wrote:
Ok, just reading from the vote post, I can see who I like and who I don't particularly care for. But could someone help me here;
Is jar jar drinks scummier than Mocsta or vice versa? Why? Should these wagons exist? Why or why not? I haven't got the full time period until lynch to be here and I kind of owe the first /in
Mocsta is scum, I don't know why cora is defending him so hard. Activity will pick up, it's the weekend, people are busy/have lives but he isn't accepting it and is just attacking people that deface him or defending mocsta for no good reason. He's not saying WHY mocsta is very towny or systematically going through people's cases to acknowledge their points and say "oh here's a good point on why he is town", he's waiting for the person in question to return so he isn't held responsible if he makes a mistake defending his team mate.
I'm pretty certain cora and mocsta are scum together. I will make cases soon™.
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On November 25 2013 08:25 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2013 08:24 Alakaslam wrote:
Ok, just reading from the vote post, I can see who I like and who I don't particularly care for. But could someone help me here;
Is jar jar drinks scummier than Mocsta or vice versa? Why? Should these wagons exist? Why or why not? I haven't got the full time period until lynch to be here and I kind of owe the first /in Mocsta is playing the towniest game of his life. JJD is possible but not certain scum in my book.
Ok. So you would prefer there wasn't a wagon on Mocsta XD, but I have a question for you that will seem useless but it's not.
Have you seen "Lifeboat"?
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Cora doesn't even want to lynch mocsta because he is posting stuff in the thread, even though he objectively looks the scummiest so far. Case closed tbfh.
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By the way, most of those above things represent thread sentiment and do not entirely reflect my personal reads. HF, Jampi, and Onegu are my reads but the rest is thread sentiment.
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Now aqua is doing the same thing? Is this game really that easy?
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On November 25 2013 08:28 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2013 08:24 Alakaslam wrote:
Ok, just reading from the vote post, I can see who I like and who I don't particularly care for. But could someone help me here;
Is jar jar drinks scummier than Mocsta or vice versa? Why? Should these wagons exist? Why or why not? I haven't got the full time period until lynch to be here and I kind of owe the first /in Mocsta is scum, I don't know why cora is defending him so hard. Activity will pick up, it's the weekend, people are busy/have lives but he isn't accepting it and is just attacking people that deface him or defending mocsta for no good reason. He's not saying WHY mocsta is very towny or systematically going through people's cases to acknowledge their points and say "oh here's a good point on why he is town", he's waiting for the person in question to return so he isn't held responsible if he makes a mistake defending his team mate. I'm pretty certain cora and mocsta are scum together. I will make cases soon™.
OHHHH SNAP A CASE FROM HF?
But to be honest if you read the game for once you would see I've explained my Mocsta defense.
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On November 25 2013 08:21 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2013 08:14 thrawn2112 wrote:you're missing the main point of what I just said. here's what your post should be On November 25 2013 07:59 cDgCorazon wrote:
Scum would try to discredit and attack the person (this is what he did, trying to discredit me by calling me a liar, but not scum)
Town would try to discredit and attack the argument as well as being suspicious of the person attacking them
Go read those quotes again. Does it look like JJD thinks I'm mafia? He IS trying to discredit me by making fun of my cases and calling me a liar, but he is NOT calling me scum. He is trying to make me look bad, and therfore make my case look bad, without having to stick his neck out by calling me mafia. If he's town, and thought I was lying about him and making really terrible cases he would be suspicious of my motives. He was not suspicious, he was only interested in making me look bad. Maybe he thinks you are just misguided town? Town can make bad cases too, not just scum. I think he is trying to make only your case look bad, and you are making the incorrect conclusion that he is trying to make you look bad also. Your lynch isn't on his agenda, so I'm more inclined to think that he just thinks you are town making a bad case, which isn't too far off if you are town.
Speaking of JJD's agenda, what is it? What has he done during D2? He has thrown suspicion on you and mocsta but he hasn't pushed either of those lynches. He was very trusting of HF's blue claim and that is very suspicious. He asked for roleblock claims and that is suspicious. I'm not even suggesting that he is fishing for blue claims to plan out his night kills. It's bad because townies don't try to figure out claims by asking other people to claim this early on in the game. Townies know that if someone with a blue role has a reason for knowing that HF's claim is bs, that blue role will come forth. Asking roleblockers to claim this early on just isn't what townies do.... because townies don't want to reveal blue roles. He still hasn't voted. We have no idea who he wants to lynch.
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On November 25 2013 08:31 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2013 08:21 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 25 2013 08:14 thrawn2112 wrote:you're missing the main point of what I just said. here's what your post should be On November 25 2013 07:59 cDgCorazon wrote:
Scum would try to discredit and attack the person (this is what he did, trying to discredit me by calling me a liar, but not scum)
Town would try to discredit and attack the argument as well as being suspicious of the person attacking them
Go read those quotes again. Does it look like JJD thinks I'm mafia? He IS trying to discredit me by making fun of my cases and calling me a liar, but he is NOT calling me scum. He is trying to make me look bad, and therfore make my case look bad, without having to stick his neck out by calling me mafia. If he's town, and thought I was lying about him and making really terrible cases he would be suspicious of my motives. He was not suspicious, he was only interested in making me look bad. Maybe he thinks you are just misguided town? Town can make bad cases too, not just scum. I think he is trying to make only your case look bad, and you are making the incorrect conclusion that he is trying to make you look bad also. Your lynch isn't on his agenda, so I'm more inclined to think that he just thinks you are town making a bad case, which isn't too far off if you are town. Speaking of JJD's agenda, what is it? What has he done during D2? He has thrown suspicion on you and mocsta but he hasn't pushed either of those lynches. He was very trusting of HF's blue claim and that is very suspicious. He asked for roleblock claims and that is suspicious. I'm not even suggesting that he is fishing for blue claims to plan out his night kills. It's bad because townies don't try to figure out claims by asking other people to claim this early on in the game. Townies know that if someone with a blue role has a reason for knowing that HF's claim is bs, that blue role will come forth. Asking roleblockers to claim this early on just isn't what townies do.... because townies don't want to reveal blue roles. He still hasn't voted. We have no idea who he wants to lynch.
Ok I can get agree with that. I like that point and I feel like JJD should answer this.
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On November 25 2013 08:28 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2013 08:24 Alakaslam wrote:
Ok, just reading from the vote post, I can see who I like and who I don't particularly care for. But could someone help me here;
Is jar jar drinks scummier than Mocsta or vice versa? Why? Should these wagons exist? Why or why not? I haven't got the full time period until lynch to be here and I kind of owe the first /in Mocsta is scum, I don't know why cora is defending him so hard. Activity will pick up, it's the weekend, people are busy/have lives but he isn't accepting it and is just attacking people that deface him or defending mocsta for no good reason. He's not saying WHY mocsta is very towny or systematically going through people's cases to acknowledge their points and say "oh here's a good point on why he is town", he's waiting for the person in question to return so he isn't held responsible if he makes a mistake defending his team mate. I'm pretty certain cora and mocsta are scum together. I will make cases soon™.
Ah, jeez man. Maybe Cora is "defending him so hard" because he doesn't agree? It seems Aqua holds the same opinion! You look like CONF BIAS embodied to me sometimes. But that could be because I'm fighting you tooth and claw elsewhere until recently discovering that was a strawman so I need to make sure there is no other such flaw here that I see, but thanks for your input...
Many people aren't here it seems, that is a very useful tidbit. Probably not what you meant to convince me of but I rather not be convinced against my will -_- I guess rean was just gone longer?
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On November 25 2013 08:28 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2013 08:25 Aquanim wrote:On November 25 2013 08:24 Alakaslam wrote:
Ok, just reading from the vote post, I can see who I like and who I don't particularly care for. But could someone help me here;
Is jar jar drinks scummier than Mocsta or vice versa? Why? Should these wagons exist? Why or why not? I haven't got the full time period until lynch to be here and I kind of owe the first /in Mocsta is playing the towniest game of his life. JJD is possible but not certain scum in my book. Ok. So you would prefer there wasn't a wagon on Mocsta XD, but I have a question for you that will seem useless but it's not. Have you seen "Lifeboat"?
No I haven't.
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rean was sick and was replaced by you
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On November 25 2013 08:28 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2013 08:18 Alakaslam wrote:On November 25 2013 07:42 Aquanim wrote:
@Alakaslam: Just so you know, you're replacing into a slot I really wanted to lynch. I'll try and give you time to read the game and make your own reads - I'd really appreciate it if you post your thoughts long enough before the lynch I can think about them. Ok. I filtered myself and found out, and also see that deadline is soon. If I get lynched, well rean gets lynched but I can't possibly be rightly useful to town until later. We are at 80 pages, that will take me about a day, assuming I basically quit the other game. So levy the accusations against me and your current reads so I can not get modkilled right after replacing- and not have it be useless by voting no lynch or some such thing. Why is who up. Act like I just read my own filter (rean), and therefore know little about anyone. I'll oblige: Onegu: + Show Spoiler +On November 24 2013 10:43 cDgCorazon wrote:Why Onegu is scum and needs to die:I'm just going to go through Onegu's filter and point out the scummy posts that he has made. Mocsta was kind of right when he says that no one has tried to push a lynch, so I'm going to try and rectify that. + Show Spoiler +On November 20 2013 20:28 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 12:50 Rean wrote:On November 20 2013 12:37 cDgCorazon wrote:
I took a shower. Sorry for not wanting to smell bad.
Moc, I'm quite concerned that you have already used up >25% of your "self-allotted posts". If you're going to start spamming, it's going to be a problem.
Now to my goals/early game statements:
1. I'm not gonna make any meta crap posts. TBH I don't remember anyone's meta and it's ridiculously stupid logic. I'm not going to stand for it and I don't think you guys should either.
2. I'm voting for the scummiest person. My last game was Titanic and it came down to 3-4 days of "X is scum, Y/Z/Q is scum as well". That led the town way off of the path and allowed my scum team the easiest scum win in a very long time. I don't care if they're not on the two lynch trains that are going to form. It's not instant majority so as long as I feel like I'm voting for the scummiest person in my opinion, I'm going to be happy with my vote.
3. I'm going to do my best to not be just an onlooker. I'm gonna try and facilitate discussion and ask a lot of questions instead of just answering questions and throw my ideas out there and just create more chaos.
On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss. We're not going to find scum on the first page. You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game.
Couldn't agree more. Also, don't shit up the thread with useless spam like the LXIII game please. I tried keeping up but the amount of shit posts just trolling/making useless jokes/comments is unbearable and makes it impossible to tell low-laying scum from trolling townies. If anyone goes around posting stupid oneliners without saying anything meaningful they have my vote >.> Reans first post into the thread and it just fakes activity. He doesnt say what he agrees with and there are multiple things to agree with, does he agree with all or only some he, never actually says what points he agrees with. This is a very scummy first post. Also if mocsta didnt retract his post limit on himself I was going to call him scum, but he did and I am ok with it for now. I do want to point out he only takes it after cora points out his spam. But unlike cora I thought it was scummy, because it was a easy way to avoid conversation. The was one more post from mocsta I didnt like will find it in moment it was post 4or 5 where he gives 3 scum reads with no reason and then says half the thread hasnt posted so his reads can change. Coras case on Sciberia is terribad and scummy. Anyway rean is really scumm though. Sorry Im at the mall but when I am home I will catchup on both of my games and be up late playing. Ill be checking in periodicly while Im at the mall though. This is basically his entry post and it doesn't accomplish very much. He kind of makes a stretch when he says that Rean did not point out what he agreed with on my post. I feel that it is because he didn't read the entirety of Rean's post. He then talks about calling Mocsta scum based on a decision he made before he knew whether he was scum or town (Mocsta made his self-imposed post limit pre-game). It's just a play to look like he is analyzing the game when in fact he isn't. After that, he calls my case "terribad and scummy" yet refuses to say why. Didn't he just say that Rean was "really scummy" for not explaining what he liked about my post? He literally just contradicted himself in the same post. Why does he hold Rean to a higher standard than himself? + Show Spoiler +On November 20 2013 21:00 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 16:20 Mocsta wrote:
Anyways, I don't want to drown the thread so gonna take a chill pill and re-read again.
Important things for everyone to know:
As town:
- Corazon is a highly emotional player. From my experiences he doesn't give up - even though he says he will (when tunneled by scum)
- Sciberbia (as I have played with him) is a highly analytical player
- Aquanim is a straight-shooter thinker. He *abhors* trolling/spam; and is a pretty effective communicator. I take him to be a head-strong guy that *should* be injecting his thoughts into the thread without provocation
- Thrawn I don't have meta on and don't care, his thoughts align too much with mine.
The others no idea. Really? You dont know me yet? On November 20 2013 21:12 Onegu wrote:
I dont like mocstas thread pressance attitude, something seems off about his thread captianism to me, like its almost forced. Its almost like he puts a post restiction on himself pregame, game starts he keeps it up, gets called out for it says Im not going to keep it, and then becomes thread captain in a way that doesnt feel natural to me....
Im not a huge fan on the aquanim case either Ill dig into it more in a bit. Wait, didn't he say that he is ok with Mocsta giving up his post limit? Why is he not ok with it now? Also, he just yelled at Mocsta for calling him scum for playing exactly like he does every game. Why is he using that as a way to attack Mocsta? He contradicts himself for the second time in the first 5 posts in his filter. He's holding other players to a higher standard than himself. That's not a townie mindset. He then has that really messed-up post where he quotes Mocsta's filter and I don't even know. + Show Spoiler +On November 21 2013 03:59 Onegu wrote:Dont talk about ongoing games. Two can play at the nitpicking thing. This post is really useless and doesn't go anywhere. A townie would not worry about enforcing the rules and would have not posted this. This goes in line with the fact that his scum read on Mocsta is not really based on anything. He continues on this tunnel without any reasoning and without any proof that Mocsta is scum other than the fact that Mocsta likes to post a lot. + Show Spoiler +On November 21 2013 16:40 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 15:32 Aquanim wrote:On November 21 2013 15:27 Onegu wrote:
Rayn my gut is getting a little tingle from you as I am reading... @OneguCould you explain this further? Do you think he's scum, or are you just happy to see him? Yes somewhat scummy but I cant point to anything yet just a gut feeling, but these gut feelings on rayn have been correct alot of the time. I am slowly reading the thread while getting ready to go out This post shows his feelings on Rayn. He thinks that Rayn is scummy due to a "gut feeling". It's not very good reasoning but I would not have been critical of this had he stayed neutral on the Rayn lynch. Yet: + Show Spoiler +[Note: This is from his giant list of reads where he votes for Mocsta. I didn't want to copy the whole list.]
Calls out posts not needed to be called out like aqua not voteing his top scum read
Rayn calling me scum but not looking at past mini games, his meta reads on me are so bad
Doesnt look like he believes his case on aqua, harping the same point over and over when that point isnt scummy
The post where rayn calls out aqua for his spicydinosaur post was really good
Then he somewhat defemds me, but uses correct meta
Calls out sciberia, I like this post as town,
Calls out bereft also like but I disagree
Disagree with almost all of his reads, but post where he calls out mocsta for my meta was good
Post on if him and Jamp are both scum then lynch jamp first is actually townie for rayn, but not anyone else
Calls out mocsta for the cora vote to consolidate as its townie post town points
Unless is trying to do what I did in WC as scum which I dont see he really is town
Rayn saying those are scumclaims, wrong, but from a town rayn Wait what? Didn't he just say that his "gut" thought that Rayn was scum? He contradicted himself again! To be honest, this looks like at first he made a decision to follow thread sentiment and have suspicion, then changed his mind when he realized that Rayn had a very good chance of being lynched. Onegu continues to blame Mocsta for the Rayn lynch and continue on his un-justified tunnel in an effort to look like he has scum hunting. Other than his list post, he hasn't mentioned anyone outside of myself, Rean (only 1 or 2 times), and Mocsta. He has an agenda to get Mocsta lynched. One could theorycraft and say that Onegu was trying to capitalize off the Rayn lynch and get Mocsta to be lynched D2 to not have to waste a kill on him. I'm not going to talk about much else in his filter. His case on Bereft seems like an attempt to scum-hunt after it was made obvious that Mocsta wasn't going to get lynched. I don't even think Onegu believes in his own case- he doesn't even vote Bereft. His filter dive consists of taking a few of Bereft's posts and making one-line analysis of them. It's not in-depth and I don't think that he wants Bereft to be lynched- he just wants the credit of making a case for the first time in the game. TL;DR 1. He expects other players to play townier than him and is holding them to a higher standard 2. He contradicts himself- a lot. He's even contradicted himself in the same post. 3. He has tunneled Mocsta the whole game, and has only attacked four people, two of which he has only mentioned a few times (Rean and Bereft) 4. His posts and cases wreak to me of only trying to gain credit for scum hunting and not actually getting people lynched There are other points that I have mentioned before in my filter (such as his activity and the fact that he really doesn't care about who gets lynched), but I think this should be enough to warrant his lynching today. I would vote for him now but my vote is already on him. Feel free to ask me questions. Most of this is true but I think the part after the second quote was me misreading. Most of this is still pretty good evidence IMO. Holyflare: Holyflare claimed doctor N1 for absolutely no reason and said that he saved Thrawn. He replaced in late D1 and has not done much. His excuse? His doctor claim obviously means he is town (it's not an excuse). Mocsta: Basically the fact that his votes gone through Onegu, Sciberia, and JJD in very rapid succession. He is all over the place with a lot of his reads. JJD: I'm not entirely sure. Something about his Rayn vote and tunneling me. Jampi (Chezinu): Jampi has been non-existant the whole game and would probably be the unanimous wagon if he had not been replaced and forced us to talk about other people. Rean (You): Rean's filter is short and according to Aqua he gave very little of his own opinions and some other stuff. Ask Aqua about the Rean case.
This is appreciated, and rean's filter is short is like saying an ant is small. He is Rayne inverse. Which is quite bad.
Give chezzy and me a day to make acquaintance, and awaken the powers that slumber within caves, such that the war of the trolls shall declare the victorious town. (Let Chezinu catch up it is only fair- let me too please same reason. I assume that is why we aren't up for lynch yet.)
Jar jar drinks: VOTING FOR RAYNE- no stfu ppl. That isn't alignment indicative. It IS NOT.
Mocsta: ok. Well, I ask: if town always knew what was up town would win every game. However, is there incoherence on an unusual level?
Holyflare: ummm...
Well I have claimed tracker day one so not much comment yet. Trying to avoid hissyfit bias too, we are in two games now...
And ONEGU: most useful part of your post. Time to look closer! I may "sheep" you, but I want to see what is up from others plz kthx
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On November 25 2013 08:38 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2013 08:28 Alakaslam wrote:On November 25 2013 08:25 Aquanim wrote:On November 25 2013 08:24 Alakaslam wrote:
Ok, just reading from the vote post, I can see who I like and who I don't particularly care for. But could someone help me here;
Is jar jar drinks scummier than Mocsta or vice versa? Why? Should these wagons exist? Why or why not? I haven't got the full time period until lynch to be here and I kind of owe the first /in Mocsta is playing the towniest game of his life. JJD is possible but not certain scum in my book. Ok. So you would prefer there wasn't a wagon on Mocsta XD, but I have a question for you that will seem useless but it's not. Have you seen "Lifeboat"? No I haven't.
K I will relate then.
Imagine a lifeboat full of dejected U-boat torpedo survivors that happen to have a nazi espionage agent aboard. He is rowing the boat. They aren't quite clueless...
Do you see where I'm going with that?
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On HF's claim: the important posts (for Slam)
On November 23 2013 11:43 Holyflare wrote:
I am doctor and I saved thrawn.
On November 23 2013 11:49 Holyflare wrote:
I'm a good shot for a vig, if there is one and he sees, he can save a shot, if scum sees they can kill me over a more towny looking person, it's the only thing i could have done
On November 24 2013 11:44 Holyflare wrote:
Also @ scib. My actual thought process was that I have contributed nothing and likely couldn't till the end of the weekend, if I just tell them I'm actually the doctor right now scum can get rid of me instead of someone who contributes and it would avoid a lot of wasted effort on this day focusing on me. It doesn't matter who i saved really and who i announced because if I didn't die then they saved their kp for a double kill the next night. If by chance they missed what I said then thrawn was a likely target.
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Okay so Onegu's case on Mocsta. This case really looks like Onegu just cherrypicked out every time Mocsta changed his mind about something, without quoting the posts in between that might have helped explain Mocsta's change in mindset.
Onegu played with a town Mocsta in at least the Game of Thrones (throws?) game, so I assume he has at least a passing familiarity with Mocsta's play.
I haven't the patience to deal with each of Onegu's points so I will pick out the most egregrious failures to fairly portray Mocsta:
+ Show Spoiler +Onegu claims that Mocsta gave no reasons for wanting to lynch HF. Being worried by a lurker replacing out was his reason, and he said it in the very same sentence. The point about "Now before he even checks my facts, he gives big town points to bereft." is irrelevant and I would even think makes Mocsta town. Even on somebody he currently suspects, Mocsta is still keeping an eye out for things that would make someone towny. This is the mark of somebody who is actively trying to improve their reads.
Oh yes this post, my favorite. JJD is still town. Bereft he doesnt know, but bereft did the same thing mocsta did the same thing with rany is scum, rayn is scum, its a policy lynch. And me ONEGU IS SCUM turned into onegu provided the missing piece on bereft but that is null because of formatting, into slight town read, with no explination at all... And then how in the hell did I ask him for forgivness? It hurts my head. Lynch mocsta please he is scum.
The town read which Mocsta gave in this post was NOT TO ONEGU. It was a town read given to Bereft. Mocsta's language was unclear, but the context from the last sentence in the quote made it clear that Mocsta could not possibly be talking about Onegu:
Bereft
Yeah I'm a little concerned went into a big spiel to justify rayn lynch.
Um not sorry about it. I'm not really sure the town motive to give that spiel as bereft wasn't under pressure to justify actions.
I'm not sure if bereft is a townie that wanted to policy lynch rayn but doesn't want to admit. Or is scum hiding behind policy and again doesn't want to admit it.
Inoe that onegu presented the quote where bereft thinks onegu case wasn't on me but Cora.. I have to think about it.
Iverlall I would say that tell is null because that onegu case was so poorly formatted abd constructed it's message was never clear.
Will give bereft benefit of the doubt and say slight town lean. If anything is not worth considering when people like holy abd onegu are alive
If Onegu thought this was Mocsta giving him a townread, he's not reading Mocsta's posts seriously. Either he's scum, or we just plain can't afford to keep him. The point at which Mocsta gave Onegu a townread was when I seriously started considering that Onegu might be town, too; though I thought the Bereft case was wrong it did display effort which Onegu hadn't shown previously. I again agree with Mocsta that Holyflare is my "favourite" vote because his play is just so IDGAF, but he's just not the right choice for today because doctor claim. As a general rule Onegu complains a lot about Mocsta not justifing each of his reads in each of his lists. I don't think Mocsta needed to or even should have - if Mocsta talks about every justification for every read he has it'll take bloody forever and will result in him playing his cards earlier than he needs to.
This case is so bloated with huge unnecessary quotes and plain not alignment-relative stuff it's ridiculous.
And finally, Onegu is by his own admission not available for deadline. That combined with his play so far (I think his reads this game are frankly bad) convinces me of this:
If Onegu is town and alive at LYLO or MYLO we are screwed.
If he's town I want to get his mislynch out of the way now. If he's scum there's no harm in lynching him now.
If we lynch someone other than Onegu and it's a mislynch our chances of victory become vanishingly small.
I'm still willing to vote JJD because I think he's at least a decent chance of flipping scum, and I'll see if I can convince myself further about him. But for the moment:
##Unvote
##Vote: Onegu
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