On November 20 2013 12:14 Bereft wrote:
THE POPO AINT SHUTTIN US DOWN
I find this tone overdone / try-hard. Its only a very slight negative lean.
On November 20 2013 12:17 sciberbia wrote:I think Cora is most likely to be scum so far. His entrance to the thread is what I would describe as very 'safe'. It's trolly, ingratiating, and echoes what Mocsta already said.
agree or disagree.
Having just come out of a game as scum. I personally feel this is written with the tone of scum-scum.
Sciberbia takes a position using strong descriptive words "trolly" and "ingratiating" from one post that to me - with limited knowledge - is null.
Further, Sciberbia references my name.. I find this odd.
I know I am town, but only scum should be aware of that too.
Now: SCiberbia does not comment on my alignment here; yet, directly infers it was scummish for Corazon to
"echo" what I said.
On November 20 2013 12:19 Bereft wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 12:16 Mocsta wrote:
post 4
K thrawn is town
De ja ducking vu
explain.
you're going to burn through your posts really quickly if you write 1 to 2 liners and expect the rest of us to all be on your wavelength.
I find this tone too aggressive. As I stated in my retort to Bereft, scum like to interupt town circles.
Thrawn is hardly confirmed to me, but of the 7 people to post, he is my best town read.
I will give this a null tell by itself - however if Bereft keeps up the aggression I will be treating him as scum.
On November 20 2013 12:26 sciberbia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 12:18 Aquanim wrote:On November 20 2013 12:14 thrawn2112 wrote:On November 20 2013 12:12 Aquanim wrote:
Also, it gave you something to ask me about, so as a conversation starter I consider it a success.
What are your conclusions about moc's alignment based on his answer?
A teeny-tiny town-lean since he seems to be relaxed.
That's interesting. I assumed you were coming to the opposite conclusion, since to me his response looks more "sarcastic and dodgy" than "just saying no". What about his response strikes you as relaxed?
+ Show Spoiler [sarcastic and dodgy] +On November 20 2013 12:06 Mocsta wrote:
Scum: a layer of dirt or froth on the surface of a liquid.
No, I am not.
I am a mobster, which is typically "scum" in the world of forum-mafia
However, in this game, roles are reversed and of the town I am.
Again, as stated before this reads to me gentle prodding:
NOT for information, but to discredit.
Coming back to the thread, Aquanim reads a lot more calm/composed to me so is back to null. I think Sciberbia has jumped too brashly into an opportunity to shit-sling and from a player of his analytical background I find this highly suspicious.
Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 12:27 Bereft wrote:On November 20 2013 12:17 sciberbia wrote:On November 20 2013 12:06 cDgCorazon wrote:
Moc obv town. Fuck da police!
I think Cora is most likely to be scum so far. His entrance to the thread is what I would describe as very 'safe'. It's trolly, ingratiating, and echoes what Mocsta already said.
agree or disagree.
agreed, very high chance imo. only potentially succeeded by this even more 'safe' entrance:
On November 20 2013 12:00 sciberbia wrote:Hello everyone!
also trolly and ingratiating because why are you smiling at me? i've no idea who you are. are you my enemy? i don't know about you, but i've come from a tough city, living on the streets, forced to make a living in any way possible. i don't smile at passerby's on the street. the only people that do, do so with a smug sneer, and they are the pigs.
I have a problem with this post because its completely 180' with where my mindset is in the thread. I also do not like the interplay between Sciberbia and Bereft. I want to avoid making association reads without flips but I find Bereft is overly defensive and certainly not natural.
"I've no idea who you are.
are you my enemy?In one phrase: Its just over compensated.
Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 12:37 cDgCorazon wrote:
I took a shower. Sorry for not wanting to smell bad.
Moc, I'm quite concerned that you have already used up >25% of your "self-allotted posts". If you're going to start spamming, it's going to be a problem.
Now to my goals/early game statements:
1. I'm not gonna make any meta crap posts. TBH I don't remember anyone's meta and it's ridiculously stupid logic. I'm not going to stand for it and I don't think you guys should either.
2. I'm voting for the scummiest person. My last game was Titanic and it came down to 3-4 days of "X is scum, Y/Z/Q is scum as well". That led the town way off of the path and allowed my scum team the easiest scum win in a very long time. I don't care if they're not on the two lynch trains that are going to form. It's not instant majority so as long as I feel like I'm voting for the scummiest person in my opinion, I'm going to be happy with my vote.
3. I'm going to do my best to not be just an onlooker. I'm gonna try and facilitate discussion and ask a lot of questions instead of just answering questions and throw my ideas out there and just create more chaos.
On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss. We're not going to find scum on the first page. You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game.
I saw some people give Thumbs up for this post. I thought it stunk - real bad. I think Corazon needs to use soap next time he has a shower.
Its a bunch of generic policy stuff and is how I used to love playing scum (in the newbies). Technically the post is null as inexperienced town can do this and supposedly we can judge corazon based on how he implements this.
My issue with this post was the last paragraph:
"On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss.
We're not going to find scum on the first page.
You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game."
I find it odd that Corazon is confident enough to say that the posters on the first page are all town (Sciberbia, Bereft, Thrawn, Aquanim, Corazon, myself) and simultaneously ignore my post giving scum reads to Bereft/Sciberbia/Aquanim.
I think this is damage control.Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 12:40 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 20 2013 12:28 thrawn2112 wrote:
Who wants a free town read? I've only got one, get it while supplies last! All you need to do is be the first to respond to this post!
mocsta is ineligible because him and I are already confirmed town to each other
I'd like to say that mason falls under the role of "standard roles" and could be potentially in this set-up. Very intriguing...
This might be Mocsta using moclogic.. but I treat this as a scum slip.
Corazon jumps to the natural conclusion that we are both confirmed, so assumes we did it through a role = mason.
I think anyone else without game knowledge can piece together we were takling about the "de ja vu" from before.
At the least it shows Corazon is NOT reading the thread closely which is suspicious for this many posts.
Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 12:43 sciberbia wrote:On November 20 2013 12:28 thrawn2112 wrote:
Who wants a free town read? I've only got one, get it while supplies last! All you need to do is be the first to respond to this post!
mocsta is ineligible because him and I are already confirmed town to each other
@thrawn
You are masons?
Ditto the corazon read above
Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 12:47 Bereft wrote:he's referencing mocsta saying that i'm trying to disrupt their town circle:
On November 20 2013 12:24 Mocsta wrote:On November 20 2013 12:19 Bereft wrote:On November 20 2013 12:16 Mocsta wrote:
post 4
K thrawn is town
De ja ducking vu
explain.
you're going to burn through your posts really quickly if you write 1 to 2 liners and expect the rest of us to all be on your wavelength.
post 5Scum like to interrupt town circles, so dial down the tone will ya.
I think if there are 3 scum. So far it'saquanim, sciberbia and you.
Course not everyone has posted so this is tentative and subject to change.
The answer to your question was in my previous post.
Dr ja vu.
Thrawn is contextually reading the same as I do. It's only a small point but enough for a town lean at this stage of the game.
Thanks for looking out for my post count
I will give Bereft town points here. He has arrived at the
natural conclusion. So back to null.
- Rean than makes a really bad introduction post, but thats null. If anything its town that usually make such "zero content" posts because they actually believe what they are saying they think it *is* content.
Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 12:52 Rean wrote:On November 20 2013 12:46 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 20 2013 12:44 thrawn2112 wrote:On November 20 2013 12:43 sciberbia wrote:On November 20 2013 12:28 thrawn2112 wrote:
Who wants a free town read? I've only got one, get it while supplies last! All you need to do is be the first to respond to this post!
mocsta is ineligible because him and I are already confirmed town to each other
@thrawn
You are masons?
no
Can you explain your statement then?
Think he means they have town reads based on previous meta or something. Not actually confirmed-confirmed.
Comes to the natural conclusion albeit slightly differently. I think this is very townie though. He knows nothing of thrawn or myself... could not interpret what I meant when i said thrawn is town so assumed it was meta based. This demonstrates a guy thinking about the game. Its not anything to be confirmed town, but is a very good sign this early in the game.
- Then Corazon/Sci shit the thread up.
Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 12:54 Aquanim wrote:
*snip*
On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss. We're not going to find scum on the first page. You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game.
The way I see it, sciberbia analysing the first page at least gives us something to talk about. Why don't you think what he's doing is productive?
Aqua is thinking the same way I do. I like this. He is a lot more polite about his suspicions/prodding though.
On November 20 2013 12:57 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 12:54 Aquanim wrote:
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On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss. We're not going to find scum on the first page. You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game.
The way I see it, sciberbia analysing the first page at least gives us something to talk about. Why don't you think what he's doing is productive?
I think it is sciberia either not understanding that the first page of a game is usually just joking around or he is trying to rock the boat ridiculously early in the game.
Seeing as sciberia is not new to this game, I think it's the latter.
This resposne is really bad as once again it completely ignores the content I posted about those players.
Maybe I'm wrong, but at this stage of the game it illicits a response regardless.
Horse blinkers like these are not a good sign this early on.
On November 20 2013 13:00 sciberbia wrote:+ Show Spoiler [cora] +On November 20 2013 12:52 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 12:49 sciberbia wrote:On November 20 2013 12:44 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 20 2013 12:43 sciberbia wrote:On November 20 2013 12:28 thrawn2112 wrote:
Who wants a free town read? I've only got one, get it while supplies last! All you need to do is be the first to respond to this post!
mocsta is ineligible because him and I are already confirmed town to each other
@thrawn
You are masons?
Thx for piggybacking on my post. I really appreciate it.
I didnt' 'piggyback' on your post. Our posts aren't saying at all the same thing.
My post basically said "so you are claiming mason? interesting..."
Your post said "you are mason?"
So I guess you could say that a lack of reaction is a difference. But it's not like we "aren't saying at all the same thing".
@cora
You made the assumption that he was claiming mason and commented on its plausibility. I found that assumption troubling, and asked him if he was in fact claiming mason.
+ Show Spoiler [cora] +
I think it is sciberia either not understanding that the first page of a game is usually just joking around or he is trying to rock the boat ridiculously early in the game.
Seeing as sciberia is not new to this game, I think it's the latter.
@cora
Guilty as charged. I dislike random bullshit phase. Just because most games start with a bunch of trolling doesn't mean we have to. I think we're actually doing quite well so far.
Personal heuristic but I find early game its only scum that use phrases like this.
"I think we're actually doing quite well so far"
How the heck does town have a guage on what is good/bad when only 50% of the players have participated.
On November 20 2013 13:01 Bereft wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 12:57 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 20 2013 12:54 Aquanim wrote:
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On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss. We're not going to find scum on the first page. You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game.
The way I see it, sciberbia analysing the first page at least gives us something to talk about. Why don't you think what he's doing is productive?
I think it is sciberia either not understanding that the first page of a game is usually just joking around or he is trying to rock the boat ridiculously early in the game.
Seeing as sciberia is not new to this game, I think it's the latter.
and what's wrong with rocking the boat ridiculously early in the game?
did you notice that mocsta also did the same thing? according to him, from the 1st page, aqua, sciberia, and I are scum.
do you only take issue with sciberia's page 1 analysis only because it's about you?
Bereft is either comfortable distancing team mates, or is town. - I am not familiar enough with his meta to make an opinion yet.
I like that he picks up on this stuff to corazon that I already identified earlier. Still null.
On November 20 2013 13:04 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 13:00 sciberbia wrote:+ Show Spoiler [cora] +On November 20 2013 12:52 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 12:49 sciberbia wrote:On November 20 2013 12:44 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 20 2013 12:43 sciberbia wrote:On November 20 2013 12:28 thrawn2112 wrote:
Who wants a free town read? I've only got one, get it while supplies last! All you need to do is be the first to respond to this post!
mocsta is ineligible because him and I are already confirmed town to each other
@thrawn
You are masons?
Thx for piggybacking on my post. I really appreciate it.
I didnt' 'piggyback' on your post. Our posts aren't saying at all the same thing.
My post basically said "so you are claiming mason? interesting..."
Your post said "you are mason?"
So I guess you could say that a lack of reaction is a difference. But it's not like we "aren't saying at all the same thing".
@cora
You made the assumption that he was claiming mason and commented on its plausibility. I found that assumption troubling, and asked him if he was in fact claiming mason.
+ Show Spoiler [cora] +
I think it is sciberia either not understanding that the first page of a game is usually just joking around or he is trying to rock the boat ridiculously early in the game.
Seeing as sciberia is not new to this game, I think it's the latter.
@cora
Guilty as charged. I dislike random bullshit phase. Just because most games start with a bunch of trolling doesn't mean we have to. I think we're actually doing quite well so far.
Where in that post do I say he is claiming mason? I was making a comment on the possibility of there being a mason after thrawn's post. If it had said in the OP "no masons in this game", then wouldn't it be suspicious? You're grasping at straws here bro.
The only thing I've seen from the early game is that you are looking pretty scummy right now.
I dunno, this is just too haste from Corazon. Everyone knows he is "sensitive" and prone to OMGUS so it does dilute the read a touch, however, I can't keep getting over this is scum-to-scum interaction.
"You're grasping at straws" + "you are looking pretty scummy" are strong words and stances, yet, does it really read like Corazon is *trying* to get Sciberbia lynched? I dont sense congruence here.
Again, scum-to-scum interactions I think...
- I like the way Aquanim is prodding Rean.
On November 20 2013 13:07 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 13:01 Bereft wrote:On November 20 2013 12:57 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 20 2013 12:54 Aquanim wrote:
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On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss. We're not going to find scum on the first page. You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game.
The way I see it, sciberbia analysing the first page at least gives us something to talk about. Why don't you think what he's doing is productive?
I think it is sciberia either not understanding that the first page of a game is usually just joking around or he is trying to rock the boat ridiculously early in the game.
Seeing as sciberia is not new to this game, I think it's the latter.
and what's wrong with rocking the boat ridiculously early in the game?
did you notice that mocsta also did the same thing? according to him, from the 1st page, aqua, sciberia, and I are scum.
do you only take issue with sciberia's page 1 analysis only because it's about you?
He didn't do it with just me. He told Moc and I that it was scummy that we made troll posts. At least Mocsta was direct in saying who he thought was scummy instead of sciberia who is only doing a "window looking" version of scum hunting.
This post is null to me. Corazon reads very emotional so its hard to understand motive.
On November 20 2013 13:14 Bereft wrote:
he wasn't actually calling mocsta scum. just you.
i don't see the distinction between mocsta's explicitly stating and sciberia's "window looking". how were they different? could you expand pls?
Bereft is starting to look better as is reading the actual content behind the queries. Rean does the same.
- I entirely agreed with Thrawn vote at that time
On November 20 2013 13:20 Aquanim wrote:
@Corazon
I'd like you to elaborate more on why you think sciberbia is scum. I don't entirely understand your argument at present.
Excellent post from Aquanim. If hes scum, hes playing a great game because hes asking the questions that are in my head as Im reading it. That is very hard to do as scum.
On November 20 2013 13:24 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 13:20 Aquanim wrote:
@Corazon
I'd like you to elaborate more on why you think sciberbia is scum. I don't entirely understand your argument at present.
He's trying to get us to tunnel each other early so he can just sit around and piggyback on town lynches and point the finger at others.
This is demonstrated when he essentially copies my post asking thrawn if he was a mason (deliberately, his post was at least 2-3 minutes after mine) and then decides that he can take my words and twist them when I pressure him about it.
This is what troubles me about sciberia right now.
I think this is a scum-slip.
Corazon is too assertive in his read and this goes beyond emotion. When I read this, I take it as someone who is speaking "matter of fact".
This is enough for me to be 90% confident that both Sciberbia and Corazon are scum.
There is no way that enough content has been delivered in this thread for a town person to jump to such a strong conclusion as this. Event hough I think Sciberbia is scummy, I do think he came in here with the intention to troll like this. I was just posting a theory.
On November 20 2013 13:40 sciberbia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 13:36 Rean wrote:
Aquanim, you're constantly asking but never saying much about what you think. Gimme one town and one scum and reasons why please.
Do you find this behavior suspicious from Aquanim or are you simply making an observation?
The question is fair, however, in context of thread events this is aterrible post.
Corazon is slamming into Sciberbia, and this is what Sciberbia thinks is relevant to discuss? WTF?
On November 20 2013 13:43 cDgCorazon wrote:
@Thrawn
When I made that post, I was thinking along the lines of "I think sci's actions are looking pretty scummy." In my opinion, if he was trying to create a good town atmosphere in the start, he did a very poor job of doing so. That's why I was thinking (and still am) that sciberia is scum.
This post does not align with his strong opinion in the previous post.
Im starting to sound tunneled because I am now so so so certain Corazon and Sciberbia are scum.
On November 20 2013 13:45 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 13:36 Rean wrote:
Aquanim, you're constantly asking but never saying much about what you think. Gimme one town and one scum and reasons why please.
I reckon Thrawn's town because I liked the vote on Corazon. That is the kind of action which will get us doing truly productive things. (His unvote doesn't change that.)
As for scum, I'm not sure yet. Not enough information.
I don't much like Corazon's case on sciberbia but I can think of reasons why Corazon would make that argument as town, regardless of how good it is. I'm still null on Corazon but I'm very interested in what he chooses to do next.
I still want an answer to this from you:
Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 13:04 Aquanim wrote:On November 20 2013 12:55 Rean wrote:On November 20 2013 12:52 Bereft wrote:
Rean, what do you think of Mocsta thus far?
Talks a lot, seems awfully certain of everything he says.
@Rean
Given this, which way are you leaning on Mocsta in terms of alignment?
I am not a fan of Aquanim for this interpretation however, I also know he is more calculated than I am so can accept a town Aquanim may play out the thread like this. Im going to go null but will be curious how Aquanim chooses to interpret this massive post and my conclusions.
On November 20 2013 13:46 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 13:44 Rean wrote:On November 20 2013 13:43 cDgCorazon wrote:
@Rean
Talking about town reads is silly. I'd rather just have 1 scum read from Aqua.
Why is it silly?
Would you vote someone on being the "least townie"? Talking about town reads is only good to high-five and pat each other on the back and compliment each other's town play. It doesn't get scum lynched.
More generics from Corazon. Importantly, he just called Sciberbia scum last page and now is acting as if nothing happened.
Deffo scum
On November 20 2013 13:57 sciberbia wrote:
@Rean
What is your strongest scumread right now and why?
Again, he also dodges the shit-ball fight of Corazon.
Some may argue that is towny to avoid this and not shit the thread. However, the key differentiator I find is that if town choose that approach they would also ACKNOWLEDGE the existence of the read. Sciberbia just dodges it and hopes no one brings it up further. Very bad.
On November 20 2013 13:57 Rean wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 13:51 Aquanim wrote:On November 20 2013 13:49 Rean wrote:On November 20 2013 13:45 Aquanim wrote:On November 20 2013 13:36 Rean wrote:
Aquanim, you're constantly asking but never saying much about what you think. Gimme one town and one scum and reasons why please.
I reckon Thrawn's town because I liked the vote on Corazon. That is the kind of action which will get us doing truly productive things. (His unvote doesn't change that.)
As for scum, I'm not sure yet. Not enough information.
I don't much like Corazon's case on sciberbia but I can think of reasons why Corazon would make that argument as town, regardless of how good it is. I'm still null on Corazon but I'm very interested in what he chooses to do next.
I still want an answer to this from you:
On November 20 2013 13:04 Aquanim wrote:On November 20 2013 12:55 Rean wrote:On November 20 2013 12:52 Bereft wrote:
Rean, what do you think of Mocsta thus far?
Talks a lot, seems awfully certain of everything he says.
@Rean
Given this, which way are you leaning on Mocsta in terms of alignment?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=435582¤tpage=7#127 Ah yes, my bad.
Do you think Corazon's argument that sciberbia is scum is persuasive? Why or why not?
Persuasive...it's a good argument. Sciberbia was being more laidback, trying to avoid comitting to anything, so it definitely makes him look scummy.
Overall the kind of argument that gets discussion started and gets us somewhere useful, I quite like it. Guess persuasive would be a decent way to describe it.
This guy is interesting. As scum I think I would phrase things similar to this guy because there is always an 'out'. I think in this instance, this is a townie with an opinion speaking naturally and as the thought comes to his mind. Can evaluate him more if the flips on Corazon/Sciberbia go awry - which I doubt.
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but I can't possibly be rightly useful to town until later. We are at 80 pages, that will take me about a day, assuming I basically quit the other game. So levy the accusations against me and your current reads so I can not get modkilled right after replacing- and not have it be useless by voting no lynch or some such thing.
