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On November 24 2013 10:43 cDgCorazon wrote:
TL;DR
1. He expects other players to play townier than him and is holding them to a higher standard
2. He contradicts himself- a lot. He's even contradicted himself in the same post.
3. He has tunneled Mocsta the whole game, and has only attacked four people, two of which he has only mentioned a few times (Rean and Bereft)
4. His posts and cases wreak to me of only trying to gain credit for scum hunting and not actually getting people lynched
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I read your case Cora. Honestly the only point I thought was really solid was the one concerning his suspicious change of reads on rayn. Also some of the points have been invalidated.
In response to your TL;DR
1) decent point but definitely not a damning scumtell. He may have just been pressed for time yesterday
2) I actually quite like his analysis of Mocsta's post restriction and how Mocsta handled it. I think it's some interesting analysis and is valid.
3) Why is only attacking 4 people a scumtell? Also I don't think tunneling one player the entire game is a scumtell as long as he is doing his damndest to get that player lynched, and still considers other possibilities (such as Bereft). Yesterday he wasn't but today he is.
4) Feels like he's trying to get Mocsta lynched today.
Honestly I don't feel the case on Onegu was ever THAT strong and it has been partially invalidated by his contributions today.
The majority of my problem with Onegu was that he didn't seem to care about the lynch yesterday. But he does seem to care today, and JJD seems to care even less both days than Onegu did yesterday.
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On November 25 2013 09:13 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2013 08:48 Alakaslam wrote:On November 25 2013 08:28 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 25 2013 08:18 Alakaslam wrote:On November 25 2013 07:42 Aquanim wrote:
@Alakaslam: Just so you know, you're replacing into a slot I really wanted to lynch. I'll try and give you time to read the game and make your own reads - I'd really appreciate it if you post your thoughts long enough before the lynch I can think about them. Ok. I filtered myself and found out, and also see that deadline is soon. If I get lynched, well rean gets lynched  but I can't possibly be rightly useful to town until later. We are at 80 pages, that will take me about a day, assuming I basically quit the other game. So levy the accusations against me and your current reads so I can not get modkilled right after replacing- and not have it be useless by voting no lynch or some such thing. Why is who up. Act like I just read my own filter (rean), and therefore know little about anyone. I'll oblige: Onegu: + Show Spoiler +On November 24 2013 10:43 cDgCorazon wrote:Why Onegu is scum and needs to die:I'm just going to go through Onegu's filter and point out the scummy posts that he has made. Mocsta was kind of right when he says that no one has tried to push a lynch, so I'm going to try and rectify that. + Show Spoiler +On November 20 2013 20:28 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 12:50 Rean wrote:On November 20 2013 12:37 cDgCorazon wrote:
I took a shower. Sorry for not wanting to smell bad.
Moc, I'm quite concerned that you have already used up >25% of your "self-allotted posts". If you're going to start spamming, it's going to be a problem.
Now to my goals/early game statements:
1. I'm not gonna make any meta crap posts. TBH I don't remember anyone's meta and it's ridiculously stupid logic. I'm not going to stand for it and I don't think you guys should either.
2. I'm voting for the scummiest person. My last game was Titanic and it came down to 3-4 days of "X is scum, Y/Z/Q is scum as well". That led the town way off of the path and allowed my scum team the easiest scum win in a very long time. I don't care if they're not on the two lynch trains that are going to form. It's not instant majority so as long as I feel like I'm voting for the scummiest person in my opinion, I'm going to be happy with my vote.
3. I'm going to do my best to not be just an onlooker. I'm gonna try and facilitate discussion and ask a lot of questions instead of just answering questions and throw my ideas out there and just create more chaos.
On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss. We're not going to find scum on the first page. You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game.
Couldn't agree more. Also, don't shit up the thread with useless spam like the LXIII game please. I tried keeping up but the amount of shit posts just trolling/making useless jokes/comments is unbearable and makes it impossible to tell low-laying scum from trolling townies. If anyone goes around posting stupid oneliners without saying anything meaningful they have my vote >.> Reans first post into the thread and it just fakes activity. He doesnt say what he agrees with and there are multiple things to agree with, does he agree with all or only some he, never actually says what points he agrees with. This is a very scummy first post. Also if mocsta didnt retract his post limit on himself I was going to call him scum, but he did and I am ok with it for now. I do want to point out he only takes it after cora points out his spam. But unlike cora I thought it was scummy, because it was a easy way to avoid conversation. The was one more post from mocsta I didnt like will find it in moment it was post 4or 5 where he gives 3 scum reads with no reason and then says half the thread hasnt posted so his reads can change. Coras case on Sciberia is terribad and scummy. Anyway rean is really scumm though. Sorry Im at the mall but when I am home I will catchup on both of my games and be up late playing. Ill be checking in periodicly while Im at the mall though. This is basically his entry post and it doesn't accomplish very much. He kind of makes a stretch when he says that Rean did not point out what he agreed with on my post. I feel that it is because he didn't read the entirety of Rean's post. He then talks about calling Mocsta scum based on a decision he made before he knew whether he was scum or town (Mocsta made his self-imposed post limit pre-game). It's just a play to look like he is analyzing the game when in fact he isn't. After that, he calls my case "terribad and scummy" yet refuses to say why. Didn't he just say that Rean was "really scummy" for not explaining what he liked about my post? He literally just contradicted himself in the same post. Why does he hold Rean to a higher standard than himself? + Show Spoiler +On November 20 2013 21:00 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 16:20 Mocsta wrote:
Anyways, I don't want to drown the thread so gonna take a chill pill and re-read again.
Important things for everyone to know:
As town:
- Corazon is a highly emotional player. From my experiences he doesn't give up - even though he says he will (when tunneled by scum)
- Sciberbia (as I have played with him) is a highly analytical player
- Aquanim is a straight-shooter thinker. He *abhors* trolling/spam; and is a pretty effective communicator. I take him to be a head-strong guy that *should* be injecting his thoughts into the thread without provocation
- Thrawn I don't have meta on and don't care, his thoughts align too much with mine.
The others no idea. Really? You dont know me yet? On November 20 2013 21:12 Onegu wrote:
I dont like mocstas thread pressance attitude, something seems off about his thread captianism to me, like its almost forced. Its almost like he puts a post restiction on himself pregame, game starts he keeps it up, gets called out for it says Im not going to keep it, and then becomes thread captain in a way that doesnt feel natural to me....
Im not a huge fan on the aquanim case either Ill dig into it more in a bit. Wait, didn't he say that he is ok with Mocsta giving up his post limit? Why is he not ok with it now? Also, he just yelled at Mocsta for calling him scum for playing exactly like he does every game. Why is he using that as a way to attack Mocsta? He contradicts himself for the second time in the first 5 posts in his filter. He's holding other players to a higher standard than himself. That's not a townie mindset. He then has that really messed-up post where he quotes Mocsta's filter and I don't even know. + Show Spoiler +On November 21 2013 03:59 Onegu wrote:Dont talk about ongoing games. Two can play at the nitpicking thing. This post is really useless and doesn't go anywhere. A townie would not worry about enforcing the rules and would have not posted this. This goes in line with the fact that his scum read on Mocsta is not really based on anything. He continues on this tunnel without any reasoning and without any proof that Mocsta is scum other than the fact that Mocsta likes to post a lot. + Show Spoiler +On November 21 2013 16:40 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 15:32 Aquanim wrote:On November 21 2013 15:27 Onegu wrote:
Rayn my gut is getting a little tingle from you as I am reading... @OneguCould you explain this further? Do you think he's scum, or are you just happy to see him? Yes somewhat scummy but I cant point to anything yet just a gut feeling, but these gut feelings on rayn have been correct alot of the time. I am slowly reading the thread while getting ready to go out This post shows his feelings on Rayn. He thinks that Rayn is scummy due to a "gut feeling". It's not very good reasoning but I would not have been critical of this had he stayed neutral on the Rayn lynch. Yet: + Show Spoiler +[Note: This is from his giant list of reads where he votes for Mocsta. I didn't want to copy the whole list.]
Calls out posts not needed to be called out like aqua not voteing his top scum read
Rayn calling me scum but not looking at past mini games, his meta reads on me are so bad
Doesnt look like he believes his case on aqua, harping the same point over and over when that point isnt scummy
The post where rayn calls out aqua for his spicydinosaur post was really good
Then he somewhat defemds me, but uses correct meta
Calls out sciberia, I like this post as town,
Calls out bereft also like but I disagree
Disagree with almost all of his reads, but post where he calls out mocsta for my meta was good
Post on if him and Jamp are both scum then lynch jamp first is actually townie for rayn, but not anyone else
Calls out mocsta for the cora vote to consolidate as its townie post town points
Unless is trying to do what I did in WC as scum which I dont see he really is town
Rayn saying those are scumclaims, wrong, but from a town rayn Wait what? Didn't he just say that his "gut" thought that Rayn was scum? He contradicted himself again! To be honest, this looks like at first he made a decision to follow thread sentiment and have suspicion, then changed his mind when he realized that Rayn had a very good chance of being lynched. Onegu continues to blame Mocsta for the Rayn lynch and continue on his un-justified tunnel in an effort to look like he has scum hunting. Other than his list post, he hasn't mentioned anyone outside of myself, Rean (only 1 or 2 times), and Mocsta. He has an agenda to get Mocsta lynched. One could theorycraft and say that Onegu was trying to capitalize off the Rayn lynch and get Mocsta to be lynched D2 to not have to waste a kill on him. I'm not going to talk about much else in his filter. His case on Bereft seems like an attempt to scum-hunt after it was made obvious that Mocsta wasn't going to get lynched. I don't even think Onegu believes in his own case- he doesn't even vote Bereft. His filter dive consists of taking a few of Bereft's posts and making one-line analysis of them. It's not in-depth and I don't think that he wants Bereft to be lynched- he just wants the credit of making a case for the first time in the game. TL;DR 1. He expects other players to play townier than him and is holding them to a higher standard 2. He contradicts himself- a lot. He's even contradicted himself in the same post. 3. He has tunneled Mocsta the whole game, and has only attacked four people, two of which he has only mentioned a few times (Rean and Bereft) 4. His posts and cases wreak to me of only trying to gain credit for scum hunting and not actually getting people lynched There are other points that I have mentioned before in my filter (such as his activity and the fact that he really doesn't care about who gets lynched), but I think this should be enough to warrant his lynching today. I would vote for him now but my vote is already on him. Feel free to ask me questions. Most of this is true but I think the part after the second quote was me misreading. Most of this is still pretty good evidence IMO. Holyflare: Holyflare claimed doctor N1 for absolutely no reason and said that he saved Thrawn. He replaced in late D1 and has not done much. His excuse? His doctor claim obviously means he is town (it's not an excuse). Mocsta: Basically the fact that his votes gone through Onegu, Sciberia, and JJD in very rapid succession. He is all over the place with a lot of his reads. JJD: I'm not entirely sure. Something about his Rayn vote and tunneling me. Jampi (Chezinu): Jampi has been non-existant the whole game and would probably be the unanimous wagon if he had not been replaced and forced us to talk about other people. Rean (You): Rean's filter is short and according to Aqua he gave very little of his own opinions and some other stuff. Ask Aqua about the Rean case. This is appreciated, and rean's filter is short is like saying an ant is small. He is Rayne inverse. Which is quite bad. Give chezzy and me a day to make acquaintance, and awaken the powers that slumber within caves, such that the war of the trolls shall declare the victorious town. (Let Chezinu catch up it is only fair- let me too please same reason. I assume that is why we aren't up for lynch yet.) Jar jar drinks: VOTING FOR RAYNE- no stfu ppl. That isn't alignment indicative. It IS NOT. Mocsta: ok. Well, I ask: if town always knew what was up town would win every game. However, is there incoherence on an unusual level? Holyflare: ummm... Well I have claimed tracker day one so not much comment yet. Trying to avoid hissyfit bias too, we are in two games now... And ONEGU: most useful part of your post. Time to look closer! I may "sheep" you, but I want to see what is up from others plz kthx Hi, I r chez. Did you obtain summary of what is going on? I only got sighs...
For shame, friends. I would expect it of the enemy.
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Did anybody else notice that about halfway through Onegu's case on Bereft he starts talking to Bereft instead of about Bereft? It's a shitty kind of scumtell but it's my experience that scum are more likely to try to convince their targets that they are scum, rather than to convince the rest of the thread their target is scum.
(This is the same problem I have with JarJar's posts re. the Rayn lynch, by the way.)
That is the part of the case where Onegu is talking about what Bereft said about Onegu which partly explains it - but I don't think that Bereft's posts were particularly intended to be answered by Onegu.
I could do with some comments on this observation (aka tell me if I'm full of shit, I'm starting to dig deep into the BS now).
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On November 25 2013 09:45 Holyflare wrote:
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Congratulations, I've played 5 games with him and co-hosted 2 other games he played in. The only difference is that I've been paying attention to the thread and you haven't. So I think my read is better and right.
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Wait what. You're saying you've played seven games with Mocsta? Which ones?
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On November 25 2013 09:45 sciberbia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2013 10:43 cDgCorazon wrote:
TL;DR
1. He expects other players to play townier than him and is holding them to a higher standard
2. He contradicts himself- a lot. He's even contradicted himself in the same post.
3. He has tunneled Mocsta the whole game, and has only attacked four people, two of which he has only mentioned a few times (Rean and Bereft)
4. His posts and cases wreak to me of only trying to gain credit for scum hunting and not actually getting people lynched
. I read your case Cora. Honestly the only point I thought was really solid was the one concerning his suspicious change of reads on rayn. Also some of the points have been invalidated. In response to your TL;DR 1) decent point but definitely not a damning scumtell. He may have just been pressed for time yesterday 2) I actually quite like his analysis of Mocsta's post restriction and how Mocsta handled it. I think it's some interesting analysis and is valid. 3) Why is only attacking 4 people a scumtell? Also I don't think tunneling one player the entire game is a scumtell as long as he is doing his damndest to get that player lynched, and still considers other possibilities (such as Bereft). Yesterday he wasn't but today he is. 4) Feels like he's trying to get Mocsta lynched today. Honestly I don't feel the case on Onegu was ever THAT strong and it has been partially invalidated by his contributions today. The majority of my problem with Onegu was that he didn't seem to care about the lynch yesterday. But he does seem to care today, and JJD seems to care even less both days than Onegu did yesterday.
1)That point was also based around the first post I quoted.
2)He also contradicts himself in his first post as well.
3)His scum-hunting has consisted of calling Mocsta scum for being Mocsta and giving a very weak case on Bereft
4)Only took him 40 or so hours of him talking about how Mocsta was scum WHILE giving a case on bereft. It took so much prodding from me to get him to vote.
The case has only been partially invalidated (like 70% of this case is still valid) and the stuff from D1 you talked about should fill in for that and still make him a good lynch choice today.
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I read the game Bereft mentioned and it makes me feel less sure about JJD. Still, even if he was on his phone last night I really can't understand how he couldn't give a little more of his opinion on the discussion. In the previous game at least he changed his vote and gave a reason why.
Also, can anybody tell me who he wants to lynch today? Read his filter since D2 started. He is playing super super passively and not pushing anything at all. At least Onegu is making some proactive moves, reading filters, writing some cases.
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Quick breather.
Note both scibs and I thought onegu was scum
And both scibs and I think onegu is genuine about wanting to lynch me, thus think he is town
Regarding jarjar
Last night I didn't read his day2
Does anyone know what his top scum reads are and why?
Has he actually pushed anything, or has just gotten into dialogue with holyflare about claiming?
If the above is no and yes, that will indicate he has no care for this lynch and is a good candidate for consolidation
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On Novem 09:45 Holyflare wrote:
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I played with you in hogwarts as town
Mafia lxii as scum
And this game
I think I hosted/coaches a game you played in too
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HF is full of shit, lynch him!!!
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On November 25 2013 09:55 Bereft wrote:
HF is full of shit, lynch him!!!
No let's lynch Onegu and HF's claim will either damn him or confirm him
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My Internet has been going in and out. It just came on so I'm letting you know before I get back into vote counts. The night post might be late if my service goes out again. Thank you for your patience.
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##Vote: JJD
i like this vote better than Onegu (sorry Cora). i've reread JJD's filter and the below 2 posts are pretty bad.
On November 23 2013 12:34 JarJarDrinks wrote:
The only reason scum wouldn't shoot is if Holyflare is scum and is looking for cred for his doc claim. Which is such a huge stretch and makes no sense for several reasons that I don't think we need to entertain it.
So I think we should all just assume that scum attack was foiled. Whether or not it was a HF heal or something else, we can't be sure. HF made his claim 17 minutes before the deadline. More than enough time for scum to change it's target.
So I think the shooter was roleblocked. I think we should discuss a potential roleclaim from anyone w/ a roleblocking role. Would love to hear opinions on it.
And Holy, can u post ur flavor please?
On November 24 2013 12:04 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2013 11:56 thrawn2112 wrote:
and I don't like that he asked other people to claim to try and confirm hf's story. Don't make it like I'm asking people to just roleclaim their role. I think it would be unlikely to have 2 docs so I asked cora to claim doc if that's the reason he hasn't bought the claim from the begining. Trading a doc claim to catch scum is worth it. Especially if scum probably would suspect him (which they would). Saying that I "asked other people to claim" is a lie. I asked ONE person to conditionally claim.
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if you, thrawn, aqua, scib all prefer onegu to JJD, i'll switch, but i am more comfortable with this.
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I've had a thought and I'd like to hear your opinions on this subject.
Is it truly plausible that NONE of the initial five on Rayn (Mocsta, Thrawn, myself, Bereft and JJD) were scum? Not so much in the sense of "could a townie want to lynch Rayn" (because clearly we did) but more in the sense of "would scum be comfortable with none of them on the currently going wagon".
I wanted to believe this was plausible because I don't like Rayn. But in hindsight I'm beginning to suspect it's not, and since I have a clear town read on everyone bar JJD on that list...
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I can't remember which of Bereft and JJD voted first, lemee go check.
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On November 25 2013 08:31 thrawn2112 wrote:
Speaking of JJD's agenda, what is it? What has he done during D2? He has thrown suspicion on you and mocsta but he hasn't pushed either of those lynches.
Yeah, my day 2 has not been good. I've already defended my weekend activity. But it's not just that. I don't like ANY of the cases I've seen. You say I've thrown suspicion on cora and and mocsta but haven't pushed the cases. I wasn't intending to throw suspicion, I was just trying to find scum because I don't have many scumreads right now.
Which is why I want to vote for the Jampi or Rean slot. Preferably Rean. I don't have all that much on them but I already posted my case on Rean. We were all ready to vote him out yesterday when rayn blew up. Has anything changed?
##Vote: Alakaslam
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Basic Vote Count
Bereft (0): thrawn2112
Rean Alakaslam (1): Aquanim, JarJarDrinks
jampidampi Chezinu (0): Mocsta, thrawn2112
Onegu (3): cDgCorazon, cDgCorazon, Aquanim, thrawn2112, cDgCorazon, Chezinu
JarJarDrinks (2): cDgCorazon, thrawn2112, Mocsta, sciberbia, Aquanim, Mocsta, thrawn2112, Bereft
sciberbia (0): Mocsta, Chezinu
Holyflare (0): Bereft, Aquanim
Mocsta (2): Bereft, Onegu, Holyflare
Thrawn2112 (0): cDgCorazon
Not Voting (3): Alakaslam, Mocsta, thrawn2112
No one is currently set to be lynched.
11 players alive means 6 votes to lynch. If you find an error in the vote count, please let me know.
Day 2 ends in at 03:00 GMT (+00:00)
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On November 25 2013 10:03 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2013 08:31 thrawn2112 wrote:
Speaking of JJD's agenda, what is it? What has he done during D2? He has thrown suspicion on you and mocsta but he hasn't pushed either of those lynches. Yeah, my day 2 has not been good. I've already defended my weekend activity. But it's not just that. I don't like ANY of the cases I've seen. You say I've thrown suspicion on cora and and mocsta but haven't pushed the cases. I wasn't intending to throw suspicion, I was just trying to find scum because I don't have many scumreads right now. Which is why I want to vote for the Jampi or Rean slot. Preferably Rean. I don't have all that much on them but I already posted my case on Rean. We were all ready to vote him out yesterday when rayn blew up. Has anything changed? ##Vote: Alakaslam
Explain why you don't like:
- The case on Onegu
- The case Onegu made on Bereft
- The case Onegu made on Mocsta
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