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VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
February 20 2012 23:21 GMT
#141
I'm not calling you scum for "pushing a policy lynch" I'm accusing you of hollowly contributing to the thread redFF - if you want to misrepresent me, please do so accurately. Your OMGUS is hilarious too Red, I have to say.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
February 20 2012 23:21 GMT
#142
On February 21 2012 08:14 Toadesstern wrote:
the big issue here (imo) is, that this policy lynch is based on a single game. At least arkham city was the first time I saw tyrann I think, don't know about you.
Policy lynching because of a single bad game is complete and utter bullshit. If we start doing that we're not done policy-lynching for the next couple weeks. Heck, I shot 3 townies, want to policy lynch me as well because of that and ignore the other 6 games I did?

If this guy shows up and changes his attitude he is fine imo. If he 's not he's getting lynched if there's noone else screaming mafia.


Why the big defense on Tyrran? It's the start of the game, he's got only 3 votes on him and no one has actually said anything about WHY they want to lynch him. No one said they want to lynch him based on his arkham city performance. Where did you get that idea from? The policy lynch discussion is based around redFF and how he's spamming, not tyrran.
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 20 2012 23:26 GMT
#143
On February 21 2012 08:19 redFF wrote:
PEOPLE
PEOPLE
PEOPLE

The game has been going on for an hour, my suggestion of a policy lynch does not mean I don't want anyone to scumhunt. It's an excellent way to generate discussion, which it has.

VE's post is hypocritical because he's calling me scum for pushing a policy lynch when he himself was pushing a policy lynch up until that post, when it arbitrarily became a scum lynch. Consider him my first moderately scummy read.


You're better than this. He never ever said your PL position was bad, but that you are spammy. Please read posts before you start OMGUSing. Considering you have time to spam you should have time to read.
RIP Aaliyah
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 20 2012 23:28 GMT
#144
On February 21 2012 08:13 VisceraEyes wrote:
What I'd read in the thread up to the point of my vote stood to prove you guilty of what I accused you of Red, don't "derp" me. You were spamming the thread already when I posted that and have continued to do so after I proposed a policy lynch of it. But you know, whatever.

The fact that you're so vocal about this Policy Lynch discussion tells me that you're trying to hollowly contribute to the thread, because a VI Policy Lynch, no matter how you slice it, isn't designed to lynch scum. And no matter how much you say "it generates discussion", when that's all you're discussing, it doesn't add anything constructive to the thread either.

Therefor, I'm upgrading you from a Spam Policy Lynch to a full-fledged Scum Lynch. Congratulations RedFF. Now die.

He wanted to policy lynch me because i spam, he then changed it to a scum lynch because all i was doing was talking about the policy lynch, when all he has done is push a policy lynch on me and discuss policly lynching up until the above lynch. That's not misrepresentation.
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
February 20 2012 23:29 GMT
#145
On February 21 2012 08:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2012 08:19 redFF wrote:
PEOPLE
PEOPLE
PEOPLE

The game has been going on for an hour, my suggestion of a policy lynch does not mean I don't want anyone to scumhunt. It's an excellent way to generate discussion, which it has.

VE's post is hypocritical because he's calling me scum for pushing a policy lynch when he himself was pushing a policy lynch up until that post, when it arbitrarily became a scum lynch. Consider him my first moderately scummy read.


You're better than this. He never ever said your PL position was bad, but that you are spammy. Please read posts before you start OMGUSing. Considering you have time to spam you should have time to read.


And you need to read better. red is saying VE's vote on him was him pushing for a policy lynch while at the same time he is criticizing him for pushing a policy lynch on tyrran.

Re: Spammy RedFF
Never fails to live up to expectations. Red you really don't have to comment on every little thing with a 1-liner response. My PL on you stands until I get a scum-read on someone.


That is a big problem. Care to respond VE?
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 20 2012 23:30 GMT
#146
On February 21 2012 08:28 redFF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2012 08:13 VisceraEyes wrote:
What I'd read in the thread up to the point of my vote stood to prove you guilty of what I accused you of Red, don't "derp" me. You were spamming the thread already when I posted that and have continued to do so after I proposed a policy lynch of it. But you know, whatever.

The fact that you're so vocal about this Policy Lynch discussion tells me that you're trying to hollowly contribute to the thread, because a VI Policy Lynch, no matter how you slice it, isn't designed to lynch scum. And no matter how much you say "it generates discussion", when that's all you're discussing, it doesn't add anything constructive to the thread either.

Therefor, I'm upgrading you from a Spam Policy Lynch to a full-fledged Scum Lynch. Congratulations RedFF. Now die.

He wanted to policy lynch me because i spam, he then changed it to a scum lynch because all i was doing was talking about the policy lynch, when all he has done is push a policy lynch on me and discuss policly lynching up until the above post. That's not misrepresentation.

bolded what I fixed.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
February 20 2012 23:30 GMT
#147
On February 21 2012 08:21 chaoser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2012 08:14 Toadesstern wrote:
the big issue here (imo) is, that this policy lynch is based on a single game. At least arkham city was the first time I saw tyrann I think, don't know about you.
Policy lynching because of a single bad game is complete and utter bullshit. If we start doing that we're not done policy-lynching for the next couple weeks. Heck, I shot 3 townies, want to policy lynch me as well because of that and ignore the other 6 games I did?

If this guy shows up and changes his attitude he is fine imo. If he 's not he's getting lynched if there's noone else screaming mafia.


Why the big defense on Tyrran? It's the start of the game, he's got only 3 votes on him and no one has actually said anything about WHY they want to lynch him. No one said they want to lynch him based on his arkham city performance. Where did you get that idea from? The policy lynch discussion is based around redFF and how he's spamming, not tyrran.


I'm not even defending him. If you look up what I said before that you'll see that I even mentioned that it's not people who are lynching him, it's pressure to make him change his attitude and not a real lynch, unless of course he's not changing a thing.

I'm barly stating that I don't like policy lynches based off a single game and yeah that's what I thought when I read the first couple of posts. So if you got another reason to policy lynch feel free to link me something because I only remember arkham city.
And again, this is not a defence on anyone. The only reason we're talking about Tyrann is because redFF voted him. I'd do the same thing if people wanted to policy lynch someone else, that's why is said "policy lynches based on a single game" are complete and utter bullshit and never said policy lynching tyrann is stupid, although the 2nd one obviously concludes out of my first statement.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
February 20 2012 23:34 GMT
#148
You say I'm a hypocrite - let's explore that.

My accusation: redFF is defending the notion of a Policy Lynch in an attempt to appear contributory to the thread by posting irrelevant defenses of a VI Policy Lynch.

redFF's accusation of me: VE is a hypocrite because he's calling me scum for pushing a Policy Lynch, but pushes a Policy Lynch of me at the same time

Pushing a Policy Lynch = Pushing a Policy Lynch

While I agree that what you started doing, pushing a VI policy lynch of Tyran and what I did, push for your lynch based on your spammy nature are one and the same....

Pushing a Policy Lynch =/= Hollowly Contributing to Thread Attempting to Appear Pro-Town

...what you're doing isn't "Pushing a policy lynch" anymore. You're now defending your decision to push a policy lynch. Why? Who the fuck cares? All it was designed to do was generate discussion anyway right? Because you're actually REALLY interested in lynching scum, correct? So why would you be defending your Policy Lynch? My guess is to appear pro-town by keeping active and posting in thread - but your contributions are meaningless because they're not designed to look for scum - they're specifically designed to defend your Policy Lynch.

Furthermore, what I did wasn't even PUSH A POLICY LYNCH. I suggested one, and defended myself when you attacked my reasoning for selecting the subject of my Policy Lynch, but I haven't been posting ad nauseum about the merits of Policy Lynches or argue about it. This leads me to the conclusion that....

VE =/= Hypocrite

...but obviously I'm not going to convince you am I red?
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 20 2012 23:38 GMT
#149
On February 21 2012 08:29 chaoser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2012 08:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On February 21 2012 08:19 redFF wrote:
PEOPLE
PEOPLE
PEOPLE

The game has been going on for an hour, my suggestion of a policy lynch does not mean I don't want anyone to scumhunt. It's an excellent way to generate discussion, which it has.

VE's post is hypocritical because he's calling me scum for pushing a policy lynch when he himself was pushing a policy lynch up until that post, when it arbitrarily became a scum lynch. Consider him my first moderately scummy read.


You're better than this. He never ever said your PL position was bad, but that you are spammy. Please read posts before you start OMGUSing. Considering you have time to spam you should have time to read.


And you need to read better. red is saying VE's vote on him was him pushing for a policy lynch while at the same time he is criticizing him for pushing a policy lynch on tyrran.

Show nested quote +
Re: Spammy RedFF
Never fails to live up to expectations. Red you really don't have to comment on every little thing with a 1-liner response. My PL on you stands until I get a scum-read on someone.


That is a big problem. Care to respond VE?


No, it's not a problem. I disagree with the policy lynch in general but I really don't see how VE is contradicting himself at all. Supporting a policy lynch does not mean you can't be critical of RedFF posting a lot of one liners and talking about it/defending it so vehemently. He isn't accusing of redFF for being scum for supporting a PL anyway, or even for "pushing" it. He never said those words. It's an invented case.

I'm voting for red.
RIP Aaliyah
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 20 2012 23:39 GMT
#150
I'm fairly sure suggesting a policy lynch and voting them counts as pushing a policy lynching.

Why is my suggesting of policy lynching tyrran "Hollowly Contributing to Thread Attempting to Appear Pro-Town" while your suggestion of policy lynching me isn't.

Nothing you've said there makes me scummy. It makes us agree on whether a policy lynch is a good thing, but it doesn't make me scummy.

redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 20 2012 23:40 GMT
#151
Nothing I've done is scummy and this is not going to get off the ground so enjoy your lonely wagon ve and drh.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
February 20 2012 23:42 GMT
#152
On February 21 2012 08:00 redFF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2012 07:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On February 21 2012 07:38 kitaman27 wrote:
On February 21 2012 07:36 redFF wrote:
To elaborate, i've been playing a lot of mafia recently and my mind has been changed. I had something of a mafia epiphany.


Is this the standard mafia "opps I got caught in a discrepancy". Time to claim change in playstyle!

I hate these meta arguments. People are not automatons that play every single game as a particular alignment in the exact same fashion. Stupid question too, doesn't pressure him even if he is mafia.

I've never seen a policy lynch work on TL, not even LAL because town players here lie so often and my perspective is that TL towns are fairly gullible in general.
I know, its just blazinghand seemed to expressing familiarity with them.


Show nested quote +
On February 21 2012 07:24 redFF wrote:
I disagree, I think a policy lynch day 1 does a number of useful things. I will lay them out.

Day 1 is the hardest day to get a scumlynch, as town has the least information available to it. A policy lynch means not possibly mislynching a strong town player.

Policy lynches and the reactions to them are very useful. They get lots of juicy reactions.

We get rid of a bad.

Honestly the chance of a policy lynch hitting scum is about as good as hitting scum from a flimsy day 1 case.

We also don't lynch radfield the blue day 1, but thats similar to my only point regarding getting rid of a bad.

Day 1 is usually somewhat of a crapshoot in 48/24 games. Policy lynches are good, embrace them.


There have been good Day 1 cases on multiple occasions. On Day 1 in the ongoing Arkham City game both VisceraEyes/Sheth got pretty close to the chopping block.
I'm not denying that good cases are made day 1. It's just that more often than not, its a townie lynch.
Show nested quote +
"Bad" is a subjective term as well, who decides whether a player is good or bad? The "town"? You might as well pick a random amount of "bad" inactives and just RNG the lynch, what a waste of a Day 1 discussion.
I disagree. There are points where a player is so useless and terrible that they are objectively bad.

Show nested quote +
Putting votes on inactive townies/policy lynches generates almost no real pressure on a player over whether or not they are scum but only creates arguments over whether or not a policy lynch is justified.
It creates early day 1 discussion, something I think it has done this game, so that's one good thing. It also forces the person to post and post constructively, something they may not do otherwise. It doesn't only create arguments about whether a policy lynch is justified, it creates discussion about different things, as we have already seen.
Show nested quote +
Mafia is designed so that the town can still win fairly easily even if they mislynch on the first day.
Yes it is, so why not get rid of dead weight.
Show nested quote +
It is not designed to make it impossible to lynch scum on first day or so that people will not try.
I don't disagree, a policy lynch is simply a suggestion.
Show nested quote +
You get better discussion out of people making, or being forced to make, real cases on people. When mafia have to make bad analysis, they get exposed.
No shit, policy lynching doesn't FORCE EVERYONE TO STOP ANALYSING.
Show nested quote +
You don't have to policy lynch to avoid lynching "blue radfield" or anything like that either.
yes but it helps.

Show nested quote +
Re: Spammy RedFF
Never fails to live up to expectations. Red you really don't have to comment on every little thing with a 1-liner response. My PL on you stands until I get a scum-read on someone.

Show nested quote +
I'm a proponent of "innocent until proven guilty".
derp


Everyone read this post. "Pushing his Policy Lynch" would include Tyran's name somewhere right? It would be like, explaining why Tyran deserves to be lynched, why he's VI, something. But there's nothing. All there is can be boiled down to the statement "Defending His Decision to Policy Lynch". This entire post is designed not to get votes on Tyran, but to keep votes OFF himself. It's defensive in nature, and in my opinion damning as hell.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Tyrran
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
France777 Posts
February 20 2012 23:43 GMT
#153
We all agreed to play to win. Therefore i'm not getting lynched before anyone makes a case against me. Calm down people.

For those who migth not know me very well, here is my meta, based on 3 games so far :
If I'm active and usefull, i'm town (cf steamship mafia), otherwise I'm scum (cf Purgatory mafia)or playing badly ( cf arkham city).

Also, just to bring my 2 cents on the ongoing discution i'm not supporting any policy lynch today. The reason simply being that I dont know you guys well enough to dinstinguish what is your typical scum play vs your town play.

@RedFF : Generating discution is fine. But please be coherent with yourself and do not spoil what could be constructive discution with spam.
Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain.
Tyrran
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
France777 Posts
February 20 2012 23:44 GMT
#154
Oh and BTW, my pseudo is tyRRan, with two 'r'.
Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain.
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 20 2012 23:46 GMT
#155
On February 21 2012 08:40 redFF wrote:
Nothing I've done is scummy and this is not going to get off the ground so enjoy your lonely wagon ve and drh.

Defensively misrepresenting other players arguments seems scummy to me. You're just contributing another negative oneliner devoid of content. If you're not scum, you're really careless.
RIP Aaliyah
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 20 2012 23:48 GMT
#156
VE, simply by saying that I spam, has made tyrran, someone I've never played with before, tell me not to spoil constructive discussion with spam. Pretty annoying.


Anyway VE you know as well as I do that TLMAFIA has never had a polcy lynch go through and the likelyhood of one happening today was pretty much 0. The policy lynch suggestion and push was more a way to get get reactions and generate discussion(which it succeeded at).

thanks tyyran,

##unvote

VE is also back to null, this looks like dumb bc shooting ve-town being dumb bc shooting ve-town.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 20 2012 23:49 GMT
#157
On February 21 2012 08:46 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2012 08:40 redFF wrote:
Nothing I've done is scummy and this is not going to get off the ground so enjoy your lonely wagon ve and drh.

Defensively misrepresenting other players arguments seems scummy to me. You're just contributing another negative oneliner devoid of content. If you're not scum, you're really careless.

I'm fairly sure carelessness is a towntell if anything, so thanks for saying im acting like town?
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
February 20 2012 23:50 GMT
#158
On February 21 2012 08:48 redFF wrote:
The policy lynch suggestion and push was more a way to get get reactions and generate discussion(which it succeeded at).

thanks tyyran,

##unvote

VE is also back to null, this looks like dumb bc shooting ve-town being dumb bc shooting ve-town.


So to be clear, you did not have a mafia epiphany causing a change in playstyle to support policy lynches? Instead you pushed the policy simply to generate discussion?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 20 2012 23:51 GMT
#159
No I still like and would be down with a policy lynch but I know realistically it probably won't happen.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
February 20 2012 23:53 GMT
#160
On February 21 2012 08:51 redFF wrote:
No I still like and would be down with a policy lynch but I know realistically it probably won't happen.


Well certainly not with that attitude.

Any more questions anyone? Let's get this show on the road.

Votes on redFF.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
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