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I was going to go to sleep but I had to say it.
Probulous stop spamming the thread. Your pulling a Pandain and making the whole thread a shitfest of spam. Why does it matter where people are? Why do you say a post to say "hey is anyone here?" If you keep spamming the thread, it creates a bad atmosphere that hurts the town. I'm too tired to explain but just stop posting if it doesn't have a real purpose, and never post if your just bored.
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On a separate note, have you played much mafia here?
Only contributes to spam. Keep outside conversations outside.
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On March 01 2012 12:40 Bluelightz wrote:
Keep on posting people!
I do agree with you Prob that we shouldnt use policies and...... but I think vigs we may have should fire on better targets then lurkers if possible, what do you think?
Well, of course a vig is going to shoot an obvscum if one happens to wander into the thread, I think that doesn't need to be stated.
The only person in this game that I know zero about would be Snarfs, everyone else ive read/played at least one game of/with. I don't think you are a smurf, since your account is over a year old, but whats your story? Are you new to TL mafia? or new to forum mafia in general? Is this your first game?
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Updated country in profile for Probulous and for all others who care. I have a weird sleep schedule anyways.
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On March 01 2012 12:36 Misder wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 12:29 Probulous wrote:On March 01 2012 12:19 Misder wrote:
Awww, so slow...
1). I like lynch all liars. Lynch one lurker on Day 1 if needed- analysis takes care of the rest. I like analysis.
2). Doesn't the one preclude the other? I mean following any policy requires the suspension of analysis. Besides if you institute a policy such as lynching lurkers day 1 you get no information going into day 2. I mean a lurker by their very nature has no information to give. In addition mafia can just push the lynch onto a town lurker. I am much happier voting for someone who is trying to lurk or is pushing a scummy agenda than someone who is just not here. Hence why I don't like policy lynches. On a separate note, have you played much mafia here? I don't exactly know which policy you are referring to. Lynch all Liars is a good policy lynch (suspension of analysis as you call it). Any "analysis" becomes WIFOM and stupid. Lynch all Lurkers is a pretty bad policy lynch, and as such, the only time I would consider lynching a lurker without analysis would be on day 1. "Much" is relative (and I'm guessing by your standards, no), but I've been here for at least a year. Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 12:29 Adam4167 wrote:
3:30am in Iceland and Ireland right now, probably a bit hopeful that Palmar and deconduo are on. The other two may be around, depending on which US states they're in.
Welcome back Misder, second wiggles game for both of us. If you're town again, do you plan on playing out the whole game this time? lol. I plan on not getting cocky and then getting depressed so much that I have given up.
I agree "much" was not the right word to use. Though I was not implying that I have any great skill at this game. I just do my best. I just wanted to know whether you had had these discussions before. Often policies look good on the surface and so are supported by new guys. I just wanted to check whether you are a new guy.
As for your main point, I don't like either policy. Liars or lurkers. Like I stated having a policy requires you follow it regardless of the circumstances, otherwise it isn't a policy. If you apply it based evidence other than the fact that the poster lied than it becomes analysis. Policies allow people to vote for a lynch without decent reasoning. They can abdicate their responsibility for logic by just saying "he lied, he must die". I don't like it.
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On March 01 2012 12:47 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 12:36 Misder wrote:On March 01 2012 12:29 Probulous wrote:On March 01 2012 12:19 Misder wrote:
Awww, so slow...
1). I like lynch all liars. Lynch one lurker on Day 1 if needed- analysis takes care of the rest. I like analysis.
2). Doesn't the one preclude the other? I mean following any policy requires the suspension of analysis. Besides if you institute a policy such as lynching lurkers day 1 you get no information going into day 2. I mean a lurker by their very nature has no information to give. In addition mafia can just push the lynch onto a town lurker. I am much happier voting for someone who is trying to lurk or is pushing a scummy agenda than someone who is just not here. Hence why I don't like policy lynches. On a separate note, have you played much mafia here? I don't exactly know which policy you are referring to. Lynch all Liars is a good policy lynch (suspension of analysis as you call it). Any "analysis" becomes WIFOM and stupid. Lynch all Lurkers is a pretty bad policy lynch, and as such, the only time I would consider lynching a lurker without analysis would be on day 1. "Much" is relative (and I'm guessing by your standards, no), but I've been here for at least a year. On March 01 2012 12:29 Adam4167 wrote:
3:30am in Iceland and Ireland right now, probably a bit hopeful that Palmar and deconduo are on. The other two may be around, depending on which US states they're in.
Welcome back Misder, second wiggles game for both of us. If you're town again, do you plan on playing out the whole game this time? lol. I plan on not getting cocky and then getting depressed so much that I have given up. I agree "much" was not the right word to use. Though I was not implying that I have any great skill at this game. I just do my best. I just wanted to know whether you had had these discussions before. Often policies look good on the surface and so are supported by new guys. I just wanted to check whether you are a new guy. As for your main point, I don't like either policy. Liars or lurkers. Like I stated having a policy requires you follow it regardless of the circumstances, otherwise it isn't a policy. If you apply it based evidence other than the fact that the poster lied than it becomes analysis. Policies allow people to vote for a lynch without decent reasoning. They can abdicate their responsibility for logic by just saying "he lied, he must die". I don't like it.
And then what. "But maybe he had a reason to lie! He could have been doing <insert WIFOM here> and actually been trying to help town!" Do you think it's going to be net beneficial for town to have to deal with this crap (excuse the language) than for the supposed reason to lie? I don't think so.
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On March 01 2012 12:45 Pandain wrote:I was going to go to sleep but I had to say it. Probulous stop spamming the thread. Your pulling a Pandain and making the whole thread a shitfest of spam. Why does it matter where people are? Why do you say a post to say "hey is anyone here?" If you keep spamming the thread, it creates a bad atmosphere that hurts the town. I'm too tired to explain but just stop posting if it doesn't have a real purpose, and never post if your just bored. + Show Spoiler +
On a separate note, have you played much mafia here?
Only contributes to spam. Keep outside conversations outside.
Do you want an answer to your questions or am I supposed to just stop posting? To answer your questions, Adam pointed out that some people are sleeping, hence knowing where people are based is useful to keep this in mind. Second I specifically pointed out that none of the vets are participating because it highlights that they won't be forgotten. I expect substance from you. Besides, it is a harmless one liner that received a response. I don't want anyone to skate by without contributing. As for asking about Misder's history, that is explained in my post above. I am not spamming with no purpose. I have to get people to post and this is how I do it.
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That took a long time to post. Are you hiding something?
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On March 01 2012 12:52 Misder wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 12:47 Probulous wrote:On March 01 2012 12:36 Misder wrote:On March 01 2012 12:29 Probulous wrote:On March 01 2012 12:19 Misder wrote:
Awww, so slow...
1). I like lynch all liars. Lynch one lurker on Day 1 if needed- analysis takes care of the rest. I like analysis.
2). Doesn't the one preclude the other? I mean following any policy requires the suspension of analysis. Besides if you institute a policy such as lynching lurkers day 1 you get no information going into day 2. I mean a lurker by their very nature has no information to give. In addition mafia can just push the lynch onto a town lurker. I am much happier voting for someone who is trying to lurk or is pushing a scummy agenda than someone who is just not here. Hence why I don't like policy lynches. On a separate note, have you played much mafia here? I don't exactly know which policy you are referring to. Lynch all Liars is a good policy lynch (suspension of analysis as you call it). Any "analysis" becomes WIFOM and stupid. Lynch all Lurkers is a pretty bad policy lynch, and as such, the only time I would consider lynching a lurker without analysis would be on day 1. "Much" is relative (and I'm guessing by your standards, no), but I've been here for at least a year. On March 01 2012 12:29 Adam4167 wrote:
3:30am in Iceland and Ireland right now, probably a bit hopeful that Palmar and deconduo are on. The other two may be around, depending on which US states they're in.
Welcome back Misder, second wiggles game for both of us. If you're town again, do you plan on playing out the whole game this time? lol. I plan on not getting cocky and then getting depressed so much that I have given up. I agree "much" was not the right word to use. Though I was not implying that I have any great skill at this game. I just do my best. I just wanted to know whether you had had these discussions before. Often policies look good on the surface and so are supported by new guys. I just wanted to check whether you are a new guy. As for your main point, I don't like either policy. Liars or lurkers. Like I stated having a policy requires you follow it regardless of the circumstances, otherwise it isn't a policy. If you apply it based evidence other than the fact that the poster lied than it becomes analysis. Policies allow people to vote for a lynch without decent reasoning. They can abdicate their responsibility for logic by just saying "he lied, he must die". I don't like it. And then what. "But maybe he had a reason to lie! He could have been doing <insert WIFOM here> and actually been trying to help town!" Do you think it's going to be net beneficial for town to have to deal with this crap (excuse the language) than for the supposed reason to lie? I don't think so.
No you move on and based your decision on other actions. I agree that lieing hurts town and should be taken into account when pushing a lynch. But having a policy that straight up ignores how that person was playing when they weren't lying is stupid. I mean if a medic lied to stay alive but pushed good reads all game, you would lynch him without considering the rest of his play? You don't have to solve the lie. You are correct in that it leads to WIFOM, I merely use it as a piece of data in a larger case. No need for a policy.
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On March 01 2012 12:57 Pandain wrote:
That took a long time to post. Are you hiding something?
I am trying to be clear. Like I said before the game started, I tend to write text walls and I am trying to improve on this. Making sure I am logical and concise helps everyone understand me better. Besides I have already had one stupid spelling/grammar mistake that bugs me.
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I'm kinda bore with Lynch all Liars/Lurkers talk. This game we shall try something new: Lynch whoever I tell you to lynch and win. It works wonders.
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Pandain, since your here what do you think about the Policies and how do you think we should deal with lurkers?
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Sandroba you too what d'you think?
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Hey everyone 
On March 01 2012 12:46 Adam4167 wrote:
The only person in this game that I know zero about would be Snarfs, everyone else ive read/played at least one game of/with. I don't think you are a smurf, since your account is over a year old, but whats your story? Are you new to TL mafia? or new to forum mafia in general? Is this your first game?
Figured I'd take these questions and give a little more information about myself too so that you know what you can expect of me.
Yes, I am new to TL mafia, forum mafia in general and this is my first game. Over about the last week and a half I've read/skimmed through quite a few games - I recognize most of the names in this game - and most of the guides as well. I'm really excited for the challenge presented by forum mafia, especially the behaviour (spelt with a 'u') analysis as I studied psych for a couple years at UBC.
As for my timetable -> I live on the west coast and can only really not post when I'm sleeping as my job requires me to be in front of a computer all day anyways; however, while I'm at work (regularish working hours) I may have to stop replying in the middle of a conversation if I need to take care of something but I will always come back to respond.
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Now, to the game at hand:
One thing I haven't quite picked up on in my readings is what sorts of things to talk about to get the ball rolling. Policy lynches seem like a common topic, but in the end it seems to come down to lynching whoever the most scummy person is, whether they're a lurker, a liar, both, or neither. Yes?
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On March 01 2012 12:18 Bluelightz wrote:
derp, EBWOP
So, to start some discussion here's some topics,
1). Should we adopt LA-Liars/Lurkers? Or just stick to analysis?
2). The lynch.
3). Activity(Policy on lurkers)
Yeah, no lynching systems please. Lynches need to be based on strong logical analysis and evidence. Anything else really ends up hurting town more than anything.
On March 01 2012 12:45 Pandain wrote:I was going to go to sleep but I had to say it. Probulous stop spamming the thread. Your pulling a Pandain and making the whole thread a shitfest of spam. Why does it matter where people are? Why do you say a post to say "hey is anyone here?" If you keep spamming the thread, it creates a bad atmosphere that hurts the town. I'm too tired to explain but just stop posting if it doesn't have a real purpose, and never post if your just bored. + Show Spoiler +
On a separate note, have you played much mafia here?
Only contributes to spam. Keep outside conversations outside.
Agreed. The more fluff, random posts in the thread, the easier it is for scum to hide. Keep it focused.
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Well, Snarfs responding to your question Policy Lynches end up like this
(I'll use LA-Lurkers as an example)
A: *Lurks*
*Enact Policy*
People : A is lurking Lynch him!
Anyway, what your saying is analysis, we deduce who is the most scummy in the thread through analysis and lynch him/her at the end of the day.
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On March 01 2012 12:59 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 12:52 Misder wrote:On March 01 2012 12:47 Probulous wrote:On March 01 2012 12:36 Misder wrote:On March 01 2012 12:29 Probulous wrote:On March 01 2012 12:19 Misder wrote:
Awww, so slow...
1). I like lynch all liars. Lynch one lurker on Day 1 if needed- analysis takes care of the rest. I like analysis.
2). Doesn't the one preclude the other? I mean following any policy requires the suspension of analysis. Besides if you institute a policy such as lynching lurkers day 1 you get no information going into day 2. I mean a lurker by their very nature has no information to give. In addition mafia can just push the lynch onto a town lurker. I am much happier voting for someone who is trying to lurk or is pushing a scummy agenda than someone who is just not here. Hence why I don't like policy lynches. On a separate note, have you played much mafia here? I don't exactly know which policy you are referring to. Lynch all Liars is a good policy lynch (suspension of analysis as you call it). Any "analysis" becomes WIFOM and stupid. Lynch all Lurkers is a pretty bad policy lynch, and as such, the only time I would consider lynching a lurker without analysis would be on day 1. "Much" is relative (and I'm guessing by your standards, no), but I've been here for at least a year. On March 01 2012 12:29 Adam4167 wrote:
3:30am in Iceland and Ireland right now, probably a bit hopeful that Palmar and deconduo are on. The other two may be around, depending on which US states they're in.
Welcome back Misder, second wiggles game for both of us. If you're town again, do you plan on playing out the whole game this time? lol. I plan on not getting cocky and then getting depressed so much that I have given up. I agree "much" was not the right word to use. Though I was not implying that I have any great skill at this game. I just do my best. I just wanted to know whether you had had these discussions before. Often policies look good on the surface and so are supported by new guys. I just wanted to check whether you are a new guy. As for your main point, I don't like either policy. Liars or lurkers. Like I stated having a policy requires you follow it regardless of the circumstances, otherwise it isn't a policy. If you apply it based evidence other than the fact that the poster lied than it becomes analysis. Policies allow people to vote for a lynch without decent reasoning. They can abdicate their responsibility for logic by just saying "he lied, he must die". I don't like it. And then what. "But maybe he had a reason to lie! He could have been doing <insert WIFOM here> and actually been trying to help town!" Do you think it's going to be net beneficial for town to have to deal with this crap (excuse the language) than for the supposed reason to lie? I don't think so. No you move on and based your decision on other actions. I agree that lieing hurts town and should be taken into account when pushing a lynch. But having a policy that straight up ignores how that person was playing when they weren't lying is stupid. I mean if a medic lied to stay alive but pushed good reads all game, you would lynch him without considering the rest of his play? You don't have to solve the lie. You are correct in that it leads to WIFOM, I merely use it as a piece of data in a larger case. No need for a policy.
If you think you can analyze lying as a piece of data correctly, go right ahead. Don't blame me when scum tricks you.
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@TheToast
What do you think about how we should deal with lurkers?
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@Toast, did you read my response?
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On March 01 2012 13:23 Bluelightz wrote:
Well, Snarfs responding to your question Policy Lynches end up like this
(I'll use LA-Lurkers as an example)
A: *Lurks*
*Enact Policy*
People : A is lurking Lynch him!
Anyway, what your saying is analysis, we deduce who is the most scummy in the thread through analysis and lynch him/her at the end of the day.
Yes, I understood that, but my point was that analysis can (should?) include lurking and lying. Of course, you would need to differentiate between "lurking" and "afking" while assuming as little as possible which I imagine is a difficult but not always impossible task.
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@Misder
I am not advocating analysing a lie. We all agree that lieing is scummy. That is all I meant by using it as a piece of data. Town should not lie unless they absolutely have to and have damn good reasons for it. If you do, it should be counted as evidence towards you being mafia. That is all, just another brick in the wall so to speak. Your case should stand on its own regardless of the lie. If the liar can't show why they did it and they looked scummy already then yes they should be lynched, but be aware that is not a policy lynch.
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