BW Fans switching to Dota/LoL? - Page 5

On July 09 2012 01:23 SilverWolfe wrote:
Oh come on. This forum has plenty of posts where people make fun of SC2 (Unimpressed Flash etc.), you guys should be able to take at least one about BW.

On July 09 2012 01:11 SilverWolfe wrote:


this picture will piss people off but...

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The really sad part comes after the end of this OSL... I am gonna miss watching them play BW.

On July 09 2012 01:27 Black[CAT] wrote:


Is this what the majority of the SC2 crowd thinks? About the outdated UI and graphics only?
Its the game design that is the killer feature. Way better unit interaction, dynamics and gameplay as well as better to watch (sc2 deathballs, Current hot issue in sc2 is removing deathballs and make units dont clump up right? ).

On July 08 2012 23:22 SilverWolfe wrote:
I am not sure if this is the best place to ask this question, but this is the BW board so I guess it makes sense to ask it here. If there's a better place, please let me know/move the thread.

Please don't be offended by this because I'm only asking based on what I observe in these forums. Essentially from what I understand, BW fans hate SC2.

Like really, really, REALLY hate SC2. I don't really get this, I started playing/watching BW myself but was pretty excited when SC2 came out, and even though the pro games aren't as high level as BroodWar games were and nor were the players as talented, I still had hope that maybe the game would evolve over time and the pro scene would become more exciting to watch as well.

The thing that I'm gonna ask about is that I've noticed a lot of BW fans have decided to start playing/watching Dota2 and LoL over SC2. Now this is something I genuinely cannot understand. Coming from the perspective of someone who has played/watched RTS games, it just seems ludicrous to me to think that Dota2 or LoL offers even half the entertainment of BW/SC2. To me it just seems odd how some people could genuinely prefer these games over SC2, in fact I have a hard time believing it's a genuine enjoyment of MOBAs.

To me there are three possibilities that I see, and I've listed them here in order of likelihood as I see it:

1. The first group of people are BW fans who are so upset that SC2 is not literally BW in 3D that they can't stand the concept of ever switching to SC2 or trying to enjoy playing/watching it. Also the thought of KeSPA players playing SC2 seems like a blasphemy to these people. I think that these people are so disgusted by SC2 as a game, that they've decided to proudly parade how much they think Dota2 and LoL are better games than SC2 just to spite the game and SC2 fans.

2. The second group of people are fans who believe that Korea somehow 'understands' eSports and what a good eSport is better than every other country, and that playing games that Korea doesn't like/enjoy as much is stupid. These people probably saw how Korean fans didn't take to SC2, but loved LoL. So they decided that because of this, LoL must be a legitimately more interesting game than SC2, because of course this is the same country that started professional Broodwar.

3. The third and least likely possibility I see is people who actually, genuinely, in their hearts, believe that Dota2 and LoL is a better eSport than SC2. Now people don't get me wrong MOBA fans, your games are great in their own right. But coming from an RTS background I just don't see how anyone could find it exciting to watch or even play. The game feels slow and boring when I actually play it, watching it I have no idea what I'm supposed to be impressed or entertained by. I try to imagine how hard it would be for people to cast 4v4 BW/SC2 games seriously and how little the results would actually seem to matter given how bizarrely games with that many teammates can turn out. From a spectator standpoint it just seems like too much random crap going on at once, and that seems to be exactly the case with Dota2/LoL. I think if these people come from a BW background, they probably haven't given watching the GSL or something a try.

So what is the deal exactly? Why do so many BW fans like MOBA games so much over SC2?

On July 09 2012 01:30 SilverWolfe wrote:
OK if you guys are actually that upset I will just remove the picture. I guess you guys can't take a joke.

On July 09 2012 01:30 SilverWolfe wrote:
OK if you guys are actually that upset I will just remove the picture. I guess you guys can't take a joke.

On July 09 2012 01:30 SilverWolfe wrote:
OK if you guys are actually that upset I will just remove the picture. I guess you guys can't take a joke.

On July 08 2012 23:22 SilverWolfe wrote:
I am not sure if this is the best place to ask this question, but this is the BW board so I guess it makes sense to ask it here. If there's a better place, please let me know/move the thread.

Please don't be offended by this because I'm only asking based on what I observe in these forums. Essentially from what I understand, BW fans hate SC2.

Like really, really, REALLY hate SC2. I don't really get this, I started playing/watching BW myself but was pretty excited when SC2 came out, and even though the pro games aren't as high level as BroodWar games were and nor were the players as talented, I still had hope that maybe the game would evolve over time and the pro scene would become more exciting to watch as well.

The thing that I'm gonna ask about is that I've noticed a lot of BW fans have decided to start playing/watching Dota2 and LoL over SC2. Now this is something I genuinely cannot understand. Coming from the perspective of someone who has played/watched RTS games, it just seems ludicrous to me to think that Dota2 or LoL offers even half the entertainment of BW/SC2. To me it just seems odd how some people could genuinely prefer these games over SC2, in fact I have a hard time believing it's a genuine enjoyment of MOBAs.

To me there are three possibilities that I see, and I've listed them here in order of likelihood as I see it:

1. The first group of people are BW fans who are so upset that SC2 is not literally BW in 3D that they can't stand the concept of ever switching to SC2 or trying to enjoy playing/watching it. Also the thought of KeSPA players playing SC2 seems like a blasphemy to these people. I think that these people are so disgusted by SC2 as a game, that they've decided to proudly parade how much they think Dota2 and LoL are better games than SC2 just to spite the game and SC2 fans.

2. The second group of people are fans who believe that Korea somehow 'understands' eSports and what a good eSport is better than every other country, and that playing games that Korea doesn't like/enjoy as much is stupid. These people probably saw how Korean fans didn't take to SC2, but loved LoL. So they decided that because of this, LoL must be a legitimately more interesting game than SC2, because of course this is the same country that started professional Broodwar.

3. The third and least likely possibility I see is people who actually, genuinely, in their hearts, believe that Dota2 and LoL is a better eSport than SC2. Now people don't get me wrong MOBA fans, your games are great in their own right. But coming from an RTS background I just don't see how anyone could find it exciting to watch or even play. The game feels slow and boring when I actually play it, watching it I have no idea what I'm supposed to be impressed or entertained by. I try to imagine how hard it would be for people to cast 4v4 BW/SC2 games seriously and how little the results would actually seem to matter given how bizarrely games with that many teammates can turn out. From a spectator standpoint it just seems like too much random crap going on at once, and that seems to be exactly the case with Dota2/LoL. I think if these people come from a BW background, they probably haven't given watching the GSL or something a try.

So what is the deal exactly? Why do so many BW fans like MOBA games so much over SC2?

On July 08 2012 23:34 vOdToasT wrote:
I think it's because while DotA is not as amazing as Brood War, it is in a different genre of games than Brood War. This makes it easier to transition to. StarCraft 2 is in the same genre as Brood War, but much worse.

It's easier to change to something that is different altogether, than something that is just inferior. SC2 is just a shitty RTS, an inferior version of SC1, but DotA is something different. When you're used to playing a good RTS, switching to a mediocre one is harder than switching to a DotA game.