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There's something to be said for relaxing and experiencing different things can help open your mind. That many hours on a game everyday I think your mind will become closed off in some ways. If you really want to go as far as you can doing some runs and at least some light weight lifting I think would be a must. It's good for your mind and not to mention sc does have a physical side.
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i'd be interesting to know if progamers suffer stress issues , starcraft can be a stressful game and with the pros playing other pros at around the same level there would be more adrenaline release than if they were just stomping noobs (the closer the games the more stressful)
being in a stressful environment for that amount of time cannot be good for your health
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I don't want to keep steering this conversation into music performance but I really can't resist. People have tried to establish that different instrumentalists have different schedules, but it's also important to realize the goals of practice. Sure, you can get through any music school with sufficient talent by practicing 4-6 hours a day. But the guys who improve and become the great artists are the ones who eat sleep and breathe their instruments.
I remember when I went through the audition process I was doing 8-10 hours a day because I loved it (classical guitar). I did it in a manner similar to a progamer house, where you get up and practice for a few hours. Have an extended break, and then run either a longer or practice or two abbreviated ones. As long as you practice in a way that is not detrimental to your playing health, the only limit is your mental capacity to absorb what you are doing. Saying that you can only really practice 4-6 hours a day is a ridiculous generalization. You can certainly improve at the that rate, but becoming the next great artist would be hard to do unless you are divinely talented. Great musicians practice their asses off, and they see it as a way of life and not a schedule.
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My Korean friend (from Korea) said he used to know some progamer (or was that aspiring progamer?). The progamer lived in an apartment with his SC playing roommate and they would just wake up, play SC, eat a little, then play SC, and sleep everyday.
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On March 02 2010 05:48 saltywet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2010 05:03 Biff The Understudy wrote:On March 02 2010 04:28 Liquid`NonY wrote:On March 02 2010 04:17 Biff The Understudy wrote:
I do think that they exagerate, and I don't believe that most progamers practice 12 hours a day.
I am a musician, and I can tell you that practicing 10 hours in one day is basically spending all your time on it. Not going outside, not meeting friends. Practice, eat, take a shower, make one or two breaks not to become a zombi every two/three hours, and your day is over.
I know it is not the same, because playing a music instrument (except maybe piano, where at least you sit) is wayyyy more tiring and physical than playing starcraft, and you need much more breaks. Most people can't practice more than 5-6 hours in one day.
Now theses people play tournaments, they have to go there, to wait, they watch games, they chat on the internet and with friends at least a little bit, they do some gym, even a minimum, and sometimes they give interview. That makes a 12 hours on a daily basis straight impossible.
So I guess a good guess would be an average of 8 - 10 hours for the most crazy ones of actually playing the game. estro had 11 hours mandatory. b-team would get half a day off about once a week. a-team would sometimes get full days off and they'd also all travel to proleague matches. some people like nsp_action and say[join] would play during their break times so they'd play 12+ hours in a day it's my opinion that training that many hours isn't optimal. but it is the standard method in korea and it gets results What I was questionning is if theses people actually play 11 hours, or is that the time they are supposed to be there, also doing stuff like watching rep, discussing strategies, or taking breaks from time to time. My point was that if you put 11 hours practice in your schedule, you probably end up doing 8-9 hours, because you are a human and not a machine. Congratulation for your match, it was very entertaining and amazingly high level  lick lick, how does it taste
lol
Do you need to be a bitch? Everybody knows that when I don't like something, I say it, including to Nony. I thought the final was good I tell him when I see him.
Shitty behaviour.
On March 02 2010 06:03 Piy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2010 05:01 Biff The Understudy wrote:On March 02 2010 04:26 WheelOfTime wrote:On March 02 2010 04:17 Biff The Understudy wrote:
I do think that they exagerate, and I don't believe that most progamers practice 12 hours a day.
I am a musician, and I can tell you that practicing 10 hours in one day is basically spending all your time on it.
Most people can't practice more than 5-6 hours in one day.
You fail quite hard. Clearly, you're not a very good musician, and you're pretty narrow-sighted for thinking "Most people can't practice more than 5-6 hours in one day". 24 hrs in a day, with 7 hrs going to sleep and 3 hrs for food/breaks/washroom, that's still 14 hours of practice everyday. Hell, I know music majors who practice their instruments 12 hrs and study for 4 hrs a day consistently. Just because you don't have enough willpower and are narrow-sighted, doesn't mean everyone else is. Sigh. If you don't know what you are talking about, don't make dumb judgements. I am not narrow sighted, and I am training in one of the best music school in Europe. So maybe I know better than you what I talk about. And I have been playing in top orchestras, with top players. Have you played, let say, viola, once in your life? No. So let me tell you, most musicians arounds me don't have the muscles and the physical endurance to practice more than 5-6 hours regularly. If not they just break their back. Because when you are a 1 metre 60 japanese lady, you have limits, physical limits. You can play in orchestra 9 hours a day, because in orchestra you don't actually play all the time and you are sit down. Personnal practice means playing often very intensely most of the time. I can practice uo to eught hours, and I am healthy. More than that, I fall apart. And someone like Auer, I know you have never heard about him was saying his students, like Heifetz or Milstein, not more than 5 hours violin a day, because more is destructive. If you have the muscles to practice a violin Brahms concerto or something like that 11 hours a day, that's good for you. I tell you that most people can't. Now my point that to practice 8 hours, you need to block 10 or 11 hours of youur time. Because you need breaks, even if you are superman, both for your body and your mind. And in a life, you need to do some other stuff. Like Shopping to eat, make your fucking lundery, go to college, and do administrrative stuff. And meet friends from time to time, take lessons in college, walk from one place to another, relax a little bit, cook, etc etc etc etc etc etc So unless you sleep 3 hours a day, practicing 12 hours on a regular basis is plain impossible. So please, just shut up instead of saying stupid thinks. You're just being deliberately ignorant now.
Yes, sure. You know much better then me, who study in the Royal Academy of Music, the supposingly best music conservatoire of your country, how much do musician practice.
Unless what you have heard by a friend of a friend or on the tv has more value than someone who has been spending the last 15 years doing music in a professional perspective.
Jesus.
On March 02 2010 07:49 Eiserne wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2010 06:03 Piy wrote:On March 02 2010 05:01 Biff The Understudy wrote:On March 02 2010 04:26 WheelOfTime wrote:On March 02 2010 04:17 Biff The Understudy wrote:
I do think that they exagerate, and I don't believe that most progamers practice 12 hours a day.
I am a musician, and I can tell you that practicing 10 hours in one day is basically spending all your time on it.
Most people can't practice more than 5-6 hours in one day.
You fail quite hard. Clearly, you're not a very good musician, and you're pretty narrow-sighted for thinking "Most people can't practice more than 5-6 hours in one day". 24 hrs in a day, with 7 hrs going to sleep and 3 hrs for food/breaks/washroom, that's still 14 hours of practice everyday. Hell, I know music majors who practice their instruments 12 hrs and study for 4 hrs a day consistently. Just because you don't have enough willpower and are narrow-sighted, doesn't mean everyone else is. Sigh. If you don't know what you are talking about, don't make dumb judgements. I am not narrow sighted, and I am training in one of the best music school in Europe. So maybe I know better than you what I talk about. And I have been playing in top orchestras, with top players. Have you played, let say, viola, once in your life? No. So let me tell you, most musicians arounds me don't have the muscles and the physical endurance to practice more than 5-6 hours regularly. If not they just break their back. Because when you are a 1 metre 60 japanese lady, you have limits, physical limits. You can play in orchestra 9 hours a day, because in orchestra you don't actually play all the time and you are sit down. Personnal practice means playing often very intensely most of the time. I can practice uo to eught hours, and I am healthy. More than that, I fall apart. And someone like Auer, I know you have never heard about him was saying his students, like Heifetz or Milstein, not more than 5 hours violin a day, because more is destructive. If you have the muscles to practice a violin Brahms concerto or something like that 11 hours a day, that's good for you. I tell you that most people can't. Now my point that to practice 8 hours, you need to block 10 or 11 hours of youur time. Because you need breaks, even if you are superman, both for your body and your mind. And in a life, you need to do some other stuff. Like Shopping to eat, make your fucking lundery, go to college, and do administrrative stuff. And meet friends from time to time, take lessons in college, walk from one place to another, relax a little bit, cook, etc etc etc etc etc etc So unless you sleep 3 hours a day, practicing 12 hours on a regular basis is plain impossible. So please, just shut up instead of saying stupid thinks. You're just being deliberately ignorant now. Actually, he's absolutely 100% completely correct. I'm a professional musician, studying classical cello at the university of North Texas. I can't practice more than 4 hours a day and I've been doing it for 12 years. If you know a music major who says they practice 12 hours a day, they are lying out of their asses. It's a fact. Sorry, but you are wrong. Coltrane and Heifetz may be able to practice 10-12 hours a day, but ask them what university they attended.
Thanks.
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I think MBC was at least 8-10 hours a day mandatory. And 12+ if you are dedicated. Cant totally remember what Coach Ha or Lee said.
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On March 02 2010 05:48 saltywet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2010 05:03 Biff The Understudy wrote:On March 02 2010 04:28 Liquid`NonY wrote:On March 02 2010 04:17 Biff The Understudy wrote:
I do think that they exagerate, and I don't believe that most progamers practice 12 hours a day.
I am a musician, and I can tell you that practicing 10 hours in one day is basically spending all your time on it. Not going outside, not meeting friends. Practice, eat, take a shower, make one or two breaks not to become a zombi every two/three hours, and your day is over.
I know it is not the same, because playing a music instrument (except maybe piano, where at least you sit) is wayyyy more tiring and physical than playing starcraft, and you need much more breaks. Most people can't practice more than 5-6 hours in one day.
Now theses people play tournaments, they have to go there, to wait, they watch games, they chat on the internet and with friends at least a little bit, they do some gym, even a minimum, and sometimes they give interview. That makes a 12 hours on a daily basis straight impossible.
So I guess a good guess would be an average of 8 - 10 hours for the most crazy ones of actually playing the game. estro had 11 hours mandatory. b-team would get half a day off about once a week. a-team would sometimes get full days off and they'd also all travel to proleague matches. some people like nsp_action and say[join] would play during their break times so they'd play 12+ hours in a day it's my opinion that training that many hours isn't optimal. but it is the standard method in korea and it gets results What I was questionning is if theses people actually play 11 hours, or is that the time they are supposed to be there, also doing stuff like watching rep, discussing strategies, or taking breaks from time to time. My point was that if you put 11 hours practice in your schedule, you probably end up doing 8-9 hours, because you are a human and not a machine. Congratulation for your match, it was very entertaining and amazingly high level lick lick, how does it taste
You are a huge douche. Apparently ppl can't even be polite to forum veterans who actually are experts about the subject of the entire thread.
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On March 02 2010 05:01 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2010 04:26 WheelOfTime wrote:On March 02 2010 04:17 Biff The Understudy wrote:
I do think that they exagerate, and I don't believe that most progamers practice 12 hours a day.
I am a musician, and I can tell you that practicing 10 hours in one day is basically spending all your time on it.
Most people can't practice more than 5-6 hours in one day.
You fail quite hard. Clearly, you're not a very good musician, and you're pretty narrow-sighted for thinking "Most people can't practice more than 5-6 hours in one day". 24 hrs in a day, with 7 hrs going to sleep and 3 hrs for food/breaks/washroom, that's still 14 hours of practice everyday. Hell, I know music majors who practice their instruments 12 hrs and study for 4 hrs a day consistently. Just because you don't have enough willpower and are narrow-sighted, doesn't mean everyone else is. Sigh. If you don't know what you are talking about, don't make dumb judgements. I am not narrow sighted, and I am training in one of the best music school in Europe. So maybe I know better than you what I talk about. And I have been playing in top orchestras, with top players. Have you played, let say, viola, once in your life? No. So let me tell you, most musicians arounds me don't have the muscles and the physical endurance to practice more than 5-6 hours regularly. If not they just break their back. Because when you are a 1 metre 60 japanese lady, you have limits, physical limits. You can play in orchestra 9 hours a day, because in orchestra you don't actually play all the time and you are sit down. Personnal practice means playing often very intensely most of the time. I can practice uo to eught hours, and I am healthy. More than that, I fall apart. And someone like Auer, I know you have never heard about him was saying his students, like Heifetz or Milstein, not more than 5 hours violin a day, because more is destructive. If you have the muscles to practice a violin Brahms concerto or something like that 11 hours a day, that's good for you. I tell you that most people can't. Now my point that to practice 8 hours, you need to block 10 or 11 hours of youur time. Because you need breaks, even if you are superman, both for your body and your mind. And in a life, you need to do some other stuff. Like Shopping to eat, make your fucking lundery, go to college, and do administrrative stuff. And meet friends from time to time, take lessons in college, walk from one place to another, relax a little bit, cook, etc etc etc etc etc etc So unless you sleep 3 hours a day, practicing 12 hours on a regular basis is plain impossible. So please, just shut up instead of saying stupid thinks.
Biff, you are completely missing the point.
The point is that if anyone wants to be the best at anything, they need to practice as much as humanly possible, because if they don't, someone else will.
You are saying that most musicians in your school aren't practicing 10-12 hours a day, but what you are really saying is that you are kind of a loser who can't even fathom anyone practicing that much. Sure, maybe with things like trombone or violin, there are physical limits, just like how football players can't practice 10 hours a day. But for e-sports, and for example, piano or medical school studying, if you want to be in that top .1% and there is no physical limitation, you better not settle for anything less than unreasonable exertion.
Sorry, just listening to your argument, and I smell a loser. Haha. Wanted to bring you down. You think if you want to be the best in the world at something, you can still have other things to do in your day? If you want to just get by, sure, settle with a comfortable schedule of a few hours a day. But if you want to be the best, you better recognize that at the top, the rules are completely different, and if you even display the tiniest of weakness, the other elite will eat you alive in a second. Do you think someone else who eats and breaths their career 10 hours a day to the piont of being almost psychotic will think twice before shitting all over your face? lol, fucking weaklings.
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On March 02 2010 16:59 Poly325 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2010 05:01 Biff The Understudy wrote:On March 02 2010 04:26 WheelOfTime wrote:On March 02 2010 04:17 Biff The Understudy wrote:
I do think that they exagerate, and I don't believe that most progamers practice 12 hours a day.
I am a musician, and I can tell you that practicing 10 hours in one day is basically spending all your time on it.
Most people can't practice more than 5-6 hours in one day.
You fail quite hard. Clearly, you're not a very good musician, and you're pretty narrow-sighted for thinking "Most people can't practice more than 5-6 hours in one day". 24 hrs in a day, with 7 hrs going to sleep and 3 hrs for food/breaks/washroom, that's still 14 hours of practice everyday. Hell, I know music majors who practice their instruments 12 hrs and study for 4 hrs a day consistently. Just because you don't have enough willpower and are narrow-sighted, doesn't mean everyone else is. Sigh. If you don't know what you are talking about, don't make dumb judgements. I am not narrow sighted, and I am training in one of the best music school in Europe. So maybe I know better than you what I talk about. And I have been playing in top orchestras, with top players. Have you played, let say, viola, once in your life? No. So let me tell you, most musicians arounds me don't have the muscles and the physical endurance to practice more than 5-6 hours regularly. If not they just break their back. Because when you are a 1 metre 60 japanese lady, you have limits, physical limits. You can play in orchestra 9 hours a day, because in orchestra you don't actually play all the time and you are sit down. Personnal practice means playing often very intensely most of the time. I can practice uo to eught hours, and I am healthy. More than that, I fall apart. And someone like Auer, I know you have never heard about him was saying his students, like Heifetz or Milstein, not more than 5 hours violin a day, because more is destructive. If you have the muscles to practice a violin Brahms concerto or something like that 11 hours a day, that's good for you. I tell you that most people can't. Now my point that to practice 8 hours, you need to block 10 or 11 hours of youur time. Because you need breaks, even if you are superman, both for your body and your mind. And in a life, you need to do some other stuff. Like Shopping to eat, make your fucking lundery, go to college, and do administrrative stuff. And meet friends from time to time, take lessons in college, walk from one place to another, relax a little bit, cook, etc etc etc etc etc etc So unless you sleep 3 hours a day, practicing 12 hours on a regular basis is plain impossible. So please, just shut up instead of saying stupid thinks. Biff, you are completely missing the point. The point is that if anyone wants to be the best at anything, they need to practice as much as humanly possible, because if they don't, someone else will. You are saying that most musicians in your school aren't practicing 10-12 hours a day, but what you are really saying is that you are kind of a loser who can't even fathom anyone practicing that much. Sure, maybe with things like trombone or violin, there are physical limits, just like how football players can't practice 10 hours a day. But for e-sports, and for example, piano or medical school studying, if you want to be in that top .1% and there is no physical limitation, you better not settle for anything less than unreasonable exertion. Sorry, just listening to your argument, and I smell a loser. Haha. Wanted to bring you down. You think if you want to be the best in the world at something, you can still have other things to do in your day? If you want to just get by, sure, settle with a comfortable schedule of a few hours a day. But if you want to be the best, you better recognize that at the top, the rules are completely different, and if you even display the tiniest of weakness, the other elite will eat you alive in a second. Do you think someone else who eats and breaths their career 10 hours a day to the piont of being almost psychotic will think twice before shitting all over your face? lol, fucking weaklings.
How old are you?
It really annoys me when people don't put it in their profile.
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On March 02 2010 16:59 Poly325 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2010 05:01 Biff The Understudy wrote:On March 02 2010 04:26 WheelOfTime wrote:On March 02 2010 04:17 Biff The Understudy wrote:
I do think that they exagerate, and I don't believe that most progamers practice 12 hours a day.
I am a musician, and I can tell you that practicing 10 hours in one day is basically spending all your time on it.
Most people can't practice more than 5-6 hours in one day.
You fail quite hard. Clearly, you're not a very good musician, and you're pretty narrow-sighted for thinking "Most people can't practice more than 5-6 hours in one day". 24 hrs in a day, with 7 hrs going to sleep and 3 hrs for food/breaks/washroom, that's still 14 hours of practice everyday. Hell, I know music majors who practice their instruments 12 hrs and study for 4 hrs a day consistently. Just because you don't have enough willpower and are narrow-sighted, doesn't mean everyone else is. Sigh. If you don't know what you are talking about, don't make dumb judgements. I am not narrow sighted, and I am training in one of the best music school in Europe. So maybe I know better than you what I talk about. And I have been playing in top orchestras, with top players. Have you played, let say, viola, once in your life? No. So let me tell you, most musicians arounds me don't have the muscles and the physical endurance to practice more than 5-6 hours regularly. If not they just break their back. Because when you are a 1 metre 60 japanese lady, you have limits, physical limits. You can play in orchestra 9 hours a day, because in orchestra you don't actually play all the time and you are sit down. Personnal practice means playing often very intensely most of the time. I can practice uo to eught hours, and I am healthy. More than that, I fall apart. And someone like Auer, I know you have never heard about him was saying his students, like Heifetz or Milstein, not more than 5 hours violin a day, because more is destructive. If you have the muscles to practice a violin Brahms concerto or something like that 11 hours a day, that's good for you. I tell you that most people can't. Now my point that to practice 8 hours, you need to block 10 or 11 hours of youur time. Because you need breaks, even if you are superman, both for your body and your mind. And in a life, you need to do some other stuff. Like Shopping to eat, make your fucking lundery, go to college, and do administrrative stuff. And meet friends from time to time, take lessons in college, walk from one place to another, relax a little bit, cook, etc etc etc etc etc etc So unless you sleep 3 hours a day, practicing 12 hours on a regular basis is plain impossible. So please, just shut up instead of saying stupid thinks. Biff, you are completely missing the point. The point is that if anyone wants to be the best at anything, they need to practice as much as humanly possible, because if they don't, someone else will. You are saying that most musicians in your school aren't practicing 10-12 hours a day, but what you are really saying is that you are kind of a loser who can't even fathom anyone practicing that much. Sure, maybe with things like trombone or violin, there are physical limits, just like how football players can't practice 10 hours a day. But for e-sports, and for example, piano or medical school studying, if you want to be in that top .1% and there is no physical limitation, you better not settle for anything less than unreasonable exertion. Sorry, just listening to your argument, and I smell a loser. Haha. Wanted to bring you down. You think if you want to be the best in the world at something, you can still have other things to do in your day? If you want to just get by, sure, settle with a comfortable schedule of a few hours a day. But if you want to be the best, you better recognize that at the top, the rules are completely different, and if you even display the tiniest of weakness, the other elite will eat you alive in a second. Do you think someone else who eats and breaths their career 10 hours a day to the piont of being almost psychotic will think twice before shitting all over your face? lol, fucking weaklings.
lol
I won't bother to answer you. Actually, I will even remove the fuck off I wrote in the first place, you don't even worth to get banned for. Just buy a brain, or something.
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On March 02 2010 04:09 StarN wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2010 04:07 buickskylark wrote:
9-10 hours? That is utterly insane. Most athletes don't train that much. difference is that there isn't as much physical strain with e-sports as opposed to sports. If you practice too much soccer or Cage Fighting then you get warn out that it becomes a detriment to your health. Any competitive activity that doesn't have that physical strain people generally tend to train longer hours and it's more dependent on how strong your mental focus is. Many Pianists I know at my music school practice 8-10 hours a day (even though that itself is very difficult on your wrists at a certain point)
I'm a music major. I practice 8 hours a day optimally, but school gets in the way, and I need to make time for an hour or two of SC ^_^. But yeah, any skill in a professional setting is generally pushed as far as someone can physically handle. With minimal physical requirements of music and gaming, people can train like fiends. The challenge lies in remaining focused and actually learning, rather than fooling around and having "too much" fun. This is what coaches are for, and why nobody likes them.
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On March 02 2010 17:11 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2010 16:59 Poly325 wrote:On March 02 2010 05:01 Biff The Understudy wrote:On March 02 2010 04:26 WheelOfTime wrote:On March 02 2010 04:17 Biff The Understudy wrote:
I do think that they exagerate, and I don't believe that most progamers practice 12 hours a day.
I am a musician, and I can tell you that practicing 10 hours in one day is basically spending all your time on it.
Most people can't practice more than 5-6 hours in one day.
You fail quite hard. Clearly, you're not a very good musician, and you're pretty narrow-sighted for thinking "Most people can't practice more than 5-6 hours in one day". 24 hrs in a day, with 7 hrs going to sleep and 3 hrs for food/breaks/washroom, that's still 14 hours of practice everyday. Hell, I know music majors who practice their instruments 12 hrs and study for 4 hrs a day consistently. Just because you don't have enough willpower and are narrow-sighted, doesn't mean everyone else is. Sigh. If you don't know what you are talking about, don't make dumb judgements. I am not narrow sighted, and I am training in one of the best music school in Europe. So maybe I know better than you what I talk about. And I have been playing in top orchestras, with top players. Have you played, let say, viola, once in your life? No. So let me tell you, most musicians arounds me don't have the muscles and the physical endurance to practice more than 5-6 hours regularly. If not they just break their back. Because when you are a 1 metre 60 japanese lady, you have limits, physical limits. You can play in orchestra 9 hours a day, because in orchestra you don't actually play all the time and you are sit down. Personnal practice means playing often very intensely most of the time. I can practice uo to eught hours, and I am healthy. More than that, I fall apart. And someone like Auer, I know you have never heard about him was saying his students, like Heifetz or Milstein, not more than 5 hours violin a day, because more is destructive. If you have the muscles to practice a violin Brahms concerto or something like that 11 hours a day, that's good for you. I tell you that most people can't. Now my point that to practice 8 hours, you need to block 10 or 11 hours of youur time. Because you need breaks, even if you are superman, both for your body and your mind. And in a life, you need to do some other stuff. Like Shopping to eat, make your fucking lundery, go to college, and do administrrative stuff. And meet friends from time to time, take lessons in college, walk from one place to another, relax a little bit, cook, etc etc etc etc etc etc So unless you sleep 3 hours a day, practicing 12 hours on a regular basis is plain impossible. So please, just shut up instead of saying stupid thinks. Biff, you are completely missing the point. The point is that if anyone wants to be the best at anything, they need to practice as much as humanly possible, because if they don't, someone else will. You are saying that most musicians in your school aren't practicing 10-12 hours a day, but what you are really saying is that you are kind of a loser who can't even fathom anyone practicing that much. Sure, maybe with things like trombone or violin, there are physical limits, just like how football players can't practice 10 hours a day. But for e-sports, and for example, piano or medical school studying, if you want to be in that top .1% and there is no physical limitation, you better not settle for anything less than unreasonable exertion. Sorry, just listening to your argument, and I smell a loser. Haha. Wanted to bring you down. You think if you want to be the best in the world at something, you can still have other things to do in your day? If you want to just get by, sure, settle with a comfortable schedule of a few hours a day. But if you want to be the best, you better recognize that at the top, the rules are completely different, and if you even display the tiniest of weakness, the other elite will eat you alive in a second. Do you think someone else who eats and breaths their career 10 hours a day to the piont of being almost psychotic will think twice before shitting all over your face? lol, fucking weaklings. lol I won't bother to answer you. Actually, I will even remove the fuck off I wrote in the first place, you don't even worth to get banned for. Just buy a brain, or something.
Ouch Biff. I can see you don't like being proved wrong. I can't believe you actually tried to argue that progamers don't practice all day. Also you have zero proof that they don't practice as much as they say. So it's a matter of believing the progamers and coaches, or you...
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I don't understand why it's so hard to believe that progamers spend all their time doing their job. Sure, it's a huge commitment, but it's a sacrifice they're willing to make.
Here's a good concrete example: Santa Clara Vanguard. If anyone has ever participated in marching bands, this name should ring a bell. They practice 3 4-hour blocks every day with hour blocks in between. And it's not like they're playing the entire time, they rehearse the drill, visuals, and sectionals throughout the day in the same manner progamers don't play nonstop, but also discuss strategies and watch replays. So yeah, I can truly believe they spend 10+ hours on what they committed themselves to doing. And about that friendship thing, you should realize that they have eachother.
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Whether it's true or not I think it is insane that they play 12 hours a day, days in a row.
That's just sick.... It cannot be healthy.
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On March 12 2010 15:02 Jonoman92 wrote:
Whether it's true or not I think it is insane that they play 12 hours a day, days in a row.
That's just sick.... It cannot be healthy.
not to be all anti here but no-one ever said that its healthy to be a progamer in the first place ^^
but i can agree to that it take's ALOT to handle all the training and succesfully become better from all those hours, i guess that's why there is so few that can shoot up in the rankings and stay there for longer than 6 months.
and i do think its true that they train for 10+ hours a day so i have a freat respect for progamers when it come's to starcraft.
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On March 02 2010 16:59 Poly325 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2010 05:01 Biff The Understudy wrote:On March 02 2010 04:26 WheelOfTime wrote:On March 02 2010 04:17 Biff The Understudy wrote:
I do think that they exagerate, and I don't believe that most progamers practice 12 hours a day.
I am a musician, and I can tell you that practicing 10 hours in one day is basically spending all your time on it.
Most people can't practice more than 5-6 hours in one day.
You fail quite hard. Clearly, you're not a very good musician, and you're pretty narrow-sighted for thinking "Most people can't practice more than 5-6 hours in one day". 24 hrs in a day, with 7 hrs going to sleep and 3 hrs for food/breaks/washroom, that's still 14 hours of practice everyday. Hell, I know music majors who practice their instruments 12 hrs and study for 4 hrs a day consistently. Just because you don't have enough willpower and are narrow-sighted, doesn't mean everyone else is. Sigh. If you don't know what you are talking about, don't make dumb judgements. I am not narrow sighted, and I am training in one of the best music school in Europe. So maybe I know better than you what I talk about. And I have been playing in top orchestras, with top players. Have you played, let say, viola, once in your life? No. So let me tell you, most musicians arounds me don't have the muscles and the physical endurance to practice more than 5-6 hours regularly. If not they just break their back. Because when you are a 1 metre 60 japanese lady, you have limits, physical limits. You can play in orchestra 9 hours a day, because in orchestra you don't actually play all the time and you are sit down. Personnal practice means playing often very intensely most of the time. I can practice uo to eught hours, and I am healthy. More than that, I fall apart. And someone like Auer, I know you have never heard about him was saying his students, like Heifetz or Milstein, not more than 5 hours violin a day, because more is destructive. If you have the muscles to practice a violin Brahms concerto or something like that 11 hours a day, that's good for you. I tell you that most people can't. Now my point that to practice 8 hours, you need to block 10 or 11 hours of youur time. Because you need breaks, even if you are superman, both for your body and your mind. And in a life, you need to do some other stuff. Like Shopping to eat, make your fucking lundery, go to college, and do administrrative stuff. And meet friends from time to time, take lessons in college, walk from one place to another, relax a little bit, cook, etc etc etc etc etc etc So unless you sleep 3 hours a day, practicing 12 hours on a regular basis is plain impossible. So please, just shut up instead of saying stupid thinks. Biff, you are completely missing the point. The point is that if anyone wants to be the best at anything, they need to practice as much as humanly possible, because if they don't, someone else will. You are saying that most musicians in your school aren't practicing 10-12 hours a day, but what you are really saying is that you are kind of a loser who can't even fathom anyone practicing that much. Sure, maybe with things like trombone or violin, there are physical limits, just like how football players can't practice 10 hours a day. But for e-sports, and for example, piano or medical school studying, if you want to be in that top .1% and there is no physical limitation, you better not settle for anything less than unreasonable exertion. Sorry, just listening to your argument, and I smell a loser. Haha. Wanted to bring you down. You think if you want to be the best in the world at something, you can still have other things to do in your day? If you want to just get by, sure, settle with a comfortable schedule of a few hours a day. But if you want to be the best, you better recognize that at the top, the rules are completely different, and if you even display the tiniest of weakness, the other elite will eat you alive in a second. Do you think someone else who eats and breaths their career 10 hours a day to the piont of being almost psychotic will think twice before shitting all over your face? lol, fucking weaklings.
1) Way to be extremely disrespectful to a forum veteran.
2) I don't see how his analogy isn't apt. Yes if you want to be the best of the best, you drive yourself to the absolute human limits. Fact is, not everyone's like that though. And the people who aren't aren't "losers" by default. I would hardly call someone privileged enough to study at one of the most prestigious music conservatories in the world a loser. People recognize their limits. Not all B-team progamers are striving to be Jaedong or Flash.
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On March 02 2010 16:43 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2010 05:48 saltywet wrote:On March 02 2010 05:03 Biff The Understudy wrote:On March 02 2010 04:28 Liquid`NonY wrote:On March 02 2010 04:17 Biff The Understudy wrote:
I do think that they exagerate, and I don't believe that most progamers practice 12 hours a day.
I am a musician, and I can tell you that practicing 10 hours in one day is basically spending all your time on it. Not going outside, not meeting friends. Practice, eat, take a shower, make one or two breaks not to become a zombi every two/three hours, and your day is over.
I know it is not the same, because playing a music instrument (except maybe piano, where at least you sit) is wayyyy more tiring and physical than playing starcraft, and you need much more breaks. Most people can't practice more than 5-6 hours in one day.
Now theses people play tournaments, they have to go there, to wait, they watch games, they chat on the internet and with friends at least a little bit, they do some gym, even a minimum, and sometimes they give interview. That makes a 12 hours on a daily basis straight impossible.
So I guess a good guess would be an average of 8 - 10 hours for the most crazy ones of actually playing the game. estro had 11 hours mandatory. b-team would get half a day off about once a week. a-team would sometimes get full days off and they'd also all travel to proleague matches. some people like nsp_action and say[join] would play during their break times so they'd play 12+ hours in a day it's my opinion that training that many hours isn't optimal. but it is the standard method in korea and it gets results What I was questionning is if theses people actually play 11 hours, or is that the time they are supposed to be there, also doing stuff like watching rep, discussing strategies, or taking breaks from time to time. My point was that if you put 11 hours practice in your schedule, you probably end up doing 8-9 hours, because you are a human and not a machine. Congratulation for your match, it was very entertaining and amazingly high level lick lick, how does it taste lol Do you need to be a bitch? Everybody knows that when I don't like something, I say it, including to Nony. I thought the final was good I tell him when I see him. Shitty behaviour. Show nested quote +On March 02 2010 06:03 Piy wrote:On March 02 2010 05:01 Biff The Understudy wrote:On March 02 2010 04:26 WheelOfTime wrote:On March 02 2010 04:17 Biff The Understudy wrote:
I do think that they exagerate, and I don't believe that most progamers practice 12 hours a day.
I am a musician, and I can tell you that practicing 10 hours in one day is basically spending all your time on it.
Most people can't practice more than 5-6 hours in one day.
You fail quite hard. Clearly, you're not a very good musician, and you're pretty narrow-sighted for thinking "Most people can't practice more than 5-6 hours in one day". 24 hrs in a day, with 7 hrs going to sleep and 3 hrs for food/breaks/washroom, that's still 14 hours of practice everyday. Hell, I know music majors who practice their instruments 12 hrs and study for 4 hrs a day consistently. Just because you don't have enough willpower and are narrow-sighted, doesn't mean everyone else is. Sigh. If you don't know what you are talking about, don't make dumb judgements. I am not narrow sighted, and I am training in one of the best music school in Europe. So maybe I know better than you what I talk about. And I have been playing in top orchestras, with top players. Have you played, let say, viola, once in your life? No. So let me tell you, most musicians arounds me don't have the muscles and the physical endurance to practice more than 5-6 hours regularly. If not they just break their back. Because when you are a 1 metre 60 japanese lady, you have limits, physical limits. You can play in orchestra 9 hours a day, because in orchestra you don't actually play all the time and you are sit down. Personnal practice means playing often very intensely most of the time. I can practice uo to eught hours, and I am healthy. More than that, I fall apart. And someone like Auer, I know you have never heard about him was saying his students, like Heifetz or Milstein, not more than 5 hours violin a day, because more is destructive. If you have the muscles to practice a violin Brahms concerto or something like that 11 hours a day, that's good for you. I tell you that most people can't. Now my point that to practice 8 hours, you need to block 10 or 11 hours of youur time. Because you need breaks, even if you are superman, both for your body and your mind. And in a life, you need to do some other stuff. Like Shopping to eat, make your fucking lundery, go to college, and do administrrative stuff. And meet friends from time to time, take lessons in college, walk from one place to another, relax a little bit, cook, etc etc etc etc etc etc So unless you sleep 3 hours a day, practicing 12 hours on a regular basis is plain impossible. So please, just shut up instead of saying stupid thinks. You're just being deliberately ignorant now. Yes, sure. You know much better then me, who study in the Royal Academy of Music, the supposingly best music conservatoire of your country, how much do musician practice. Unless what you have heard by a friend of a friend or on the tv has more value than someone who has been spending the last 15 years doing music in a professional perspective. Jesus. Show nested quote +On March 02 2010 07:49 Eiserne wrote:On March 02 2010 06:03 Piy wrote:On March 02 2010 05:01 Biff The Understudy wrote:On March 02 2010 04:26 WheelOfTime wrote:On March 02 2010 04:17 Biff The Understudy wrote:
I do think that they exagerate, and I don't believe that most progamers practice 12 hours a day.
I am a musician, and I can tell you that practicing 10 hours in one day is basically spending all your time on it.
Most people can't practice more than 5-6 hours in one day.
You fail quite hard. Clearly, you're not a very good musician, and you're pretty narrow-sighted for thinking "Most people can't practice more than 5-6 hours in one day". 24 hrs in a day, with 7 hrs going to sleep and 3 hrs for food/breaks/washroom, that's still 14 hours of practice everyday. Hell, I know music majors who practice their instruments 12 hrs and study for 4 hrs a day consistently. Just because you don't have enough willpower and are narrow-sighted, doesn't mean everyone else is. Sigh. If you don't know what you are talking about, don't make dumb judgements. I am not narrow sighted, and I am training in one of the best music school in Europe. So maybe I know better than you what I talk about. And I have been playing in top orchestras, with top players. Have you played, let say, viola, once in your life? No. So let me tell you, most musicians arounds me don't have the muscles and the physical endurance to practice more than 5-6 hours regularly. If not they just break their back. Because when you are a 1 metre 60 japanese lady, you have limits, physical limits. You can play in orchestra 9 hours a day, because in orchestra you don't actually play all the time and you are sit down. Personnal practice means playing often very intensely most of the time. I can practice uo to eught hours, and I am healthy. More than that, I fall apart. And someone like Auer, I know you have never heard about him was saying his students, like Heifetz or Milstein, not more than 5 hours violin a day, because more is destructive. If you have the muscles to practice a violin Brahms concerto or something like that 11 hours a day, that's good for you. I tell you that most people can't. Now my point that to practice 8 hours, you need to block 10 or 11 hours of youur time. Because you need breaks, even if you are superman, both for your body and your mind. And in a life, you need to do some other stuff. Like Shopping to eat, make your fucking lundery, go to college, and do administrrative stuff. And meet friends from time to time, take lessons in college, walk from one place to another, relax a little bit, cook, etc etc etc etc etc etc So unless you sleep 3 hours a day, practicing 12 hours on a regular basis is plain impossible. So please, just shut up instead of saying stupid thinks. You're just being deliberately ignorant now. Actually, he's absolutely 100% completely correct. I'm a professional musician, studying classical cello at the university of North Texas. I can't practice more than 4 hours a day and I've been doing it for 12 years. If you know a music major who says they practice 12 hours a day, they are lying out of their asses. It's a fact. Sorry, but you are wrong. Coltrane and Heifetz may be able to practice 10-12 hours a day, but ask them what university they attended. Thanks.
So you play viola...? If you tried violin you'd have to double that amount of practice. No, seriously... it really depends on what you are playing/doing. A pianist can never practice as little as 4-6 hours, atleast not when he is developing. I seriously doubt though that Coltrane could practice more than 6 hours because it would be too hard for his lips. Likewise I know some opera singers that say they can't practice more than a couple of hours in order to not destroy their voices. I study literature, and I read about 10 hours (+ courses) a day. That is ofc possible due to the passiv nature of what I am doing (I could do it alot more...).
And I also wanted to point out that I think discussion over replays ofc must count in the practice time.. It's like excluding study of the partition for musicians.
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On March 02 2010 10:15 Liquid`NonY wrote:
I'd never sacrifice sleep, never have caffeine, always exercise daily... Skipping exercise or sleep, or loading up on caffeine, are short-term fixes to make up for a bad schedule. If you have the luxury of time, like if you're a full time progamer, then long term efficiency is the most important thing. Short term burnouts happen constantly to people who overwork and long term burnout is a constant threat as well. If your tiredness carries on from one day to the next, then you're overworking. There can't be any accumulation of fatigue or you're gonna crash at some point and that'll be worse in the long run. So every morning you gotta start at 100%.
staying awake without caffeine?
hows that work
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it variates i guess ? some kid in eSTRO practiced like all day? and when his teammates went to bed he kept on practicing. So maybe 12,13,14++++ hours/a day?
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On March 02 2010 10:35 KsBerzerk wrote:
I want to know how much ACE practices
When ACE was new, it was 6 hours a day or less. Now, it is probably slightly more. Either way, I don't think they are as strict with the 12 hour practice schedule for older progamers.
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