EPT[Patch 3.03: Quinn] General Discussion - Page 34
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MooMooMugi
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PardonYou
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little fancy
Germany2504 Posts
It's late midgame, everyone ist 4-5 items. I'm a somewhat fed Vayne. I have roughyl 80 MR (mr/lvl glyphs, jungler's Bulwark), +700 HP from Mallet and 9/21/0 masteries. I died 3 times this game, always to Syndra who dealt 75-90% of my HP in damage from her ultimate alone. WTF?! I'm not joking, the last death recap before we finally got their Nexus was 1601 (73%) damage from her ultimate. Time to see her a lot more in competitive play? €dit: I just noticed I have mixed up numbers from the last two death recaps. It was still 1601 damage which obviously can't be 73% of my health when I have a Mallet. Still, the numbers seem incredible to me. | ||
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Hitch-22
Canada753 Posts
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Bladeorade
United States1898 Posts
Also Quinn super strong top IMO | ||
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remedium
United States939 Posts
On March 04 2013 06:33 little fancy wrote: What's the deal with Syndra? It's late midgame, everyone ist 4-5 items. I'm a somewhat fed Vayne. I have roughyl 80 MR (mr/lvl glyphs, jungler's Bulwark), +700 HP from Mallet and 9/21/0 masteries. I died 3 times this game, always to Syndra who dealt 75-90% of my HP in damage from her ultimate alone. WTF?! I'm not joking, the last death recap before we finally got their Nexus was 1601 (73%) damage from her ultimate. Time to see her a lot more in competitive play? €dit: I just noticed I have mixed up numbers from the last two death recaps. It was still 1601 damage which obviously can't be 73% of my health when I have a Mallet. Still, the numbers seem incredible to me. DAMAGE PER SPHERE: 90 / 135 / 180 (+ 20% AP) MINIMUM DAMAGE (3 SPHERES): 270 / 405 / 540 (+ 60% AP) MAXIMUM DAMAGE (7 SPHERES): 630 / 975 / 1260 (+ 140% AP) Syndra has always been incredibly strong - she is just one of those champions that nobody has really 'cracked the nut' of. This guy used her on the #1 ranked 3's team in S2, and he did ok: http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/21781936#ranked-stats | ||
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Sermokala
United States14220 Posts
ap's are gona bust the fuck outta you. not much you can do about that. | ||
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nosliw
United States2716 Posts
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Hitch-22
Canada753 Posts
On March 04 2013 06:38 Bladeorade wrote: Well I'm logged in. Also Quinn super strong top IMO Quinn will have to be nerfed, I was playing ranked and my friend (this was platty) went 27-4... It's a ridiculously over powered character because it can accumulate health like a tank(and armor) really easily as well as do obscene amounts of dps. | ||
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PHILtheTANK
United States1834 Posts
On March 04 2013 06:42 nosliw wrote: gg 30 min que agreed quinn seems broken as shit. | ||
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LaNague
Germany9118 Posts
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Hitch-22
Canada753 Posts
On March 04 2013 06:55 LaNague wrote: oh, we went from quinn most useless release champion to being broken in 12 hours. Who ever said Quinn was useless... ? | ||
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wussleeQ
United States3130 Posts
most people. and you're the first i've seen to say that she's imba. but i'm still not decided on it yet | ||
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samthesaluki
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
I agree that its higher-levels scaling is pretty nuts (Diana is too, but people don't realise it because they rarely go for it; Kha, though, has been rightfully nerfed, though it's still stupidly strong once you're high level with his ult). | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On March 04 2013 07:07 Alaric wrote: Granted, his "Quinn can build like a tank and still do a shit ton of dps" is wrong: she has a 3s cd on a big damage steroid, but if she doesn't build AD she still won't do too much outside of her passive. I agree that its higher-levels scaling is pretty nuts (Diana is too, but people don't realise it because they rarely go for it; Kha, though, has been rightfully nerfed, though it's still stupidly strong once you're high level with his ult). She's got a huge Attack Speed steroid and Riot just introduced a one stop shop for DPS (BotRK). Combined with her passive's high base damage she can do really well building tanky. | ||
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On March 04 2013 06:26 Chrispy wrote: Gangplank's Q does proc Iceborn gauntlet AOE but the mana return and the extra gold you get for killing is only going to be applied to the original minion you shot IIRC. Spirit of the Lizard Elder does work with his ult, each cannon ball will proc the true damage. I've been playing lots of GP as of late. He mostly gets dunked on in lane so you have to max oranges first and just farm it out. Im pretty sure you get extra gold if the AOE from IBG kills a minion. You get it from Shiv if the chain lightning proc kills an extra one, so i dont see why you wouldnt from IBG | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On March 04 2013 07:12 Seuss wrote: She's got a huge Attack Speed steroid and Riot just introduced a one stop shop for DPS (BotRK). Combined with her passive's high base damage she can do really well building tanky. 20-40% is weak, not huge. The upside is that by playing along her passive correctly she can have it up ~100% of the time (lasts 3s, her passive has a 3s cd, it's only down between the start of her passive's animation and when her next aa hits, basically). And even with it and her passive's huge base damage (and as I said, I agree that it's way too strong) if she has no AD her autos won't hurt much. BotRK, well... it's not Quinn then, it's BotRK itself and most of us know it. :/ | ||
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On March 04 2013 00:16 Ketara wrote: What I'm noticing from the past few pages is that the people who argue that BT > BotRK as first item typically don't post any math and just say "Certain champions have AD scaling!" while the ones who argue BotRK > BT post math. Should get nexusp out here and have him do some serious math calcs for each ADC. The Reddit post claimed BotRK was best but only used Caitlyn as an example, and she is much more autoattacky than say Sivir or Graves. It also ignored her headshot, and assumed that you were auto attacking straight from enemy full health till dead and that no other ally did any other damage to the enemy On March 04 2013 00:19 Shikyo wrote: The argument for Ezreal, for example, is "If you didn't rush BotRK before on Ezreal, why would you now when it's worse?" Lets be honest here. The argument for ezreal is "why would you care about balanced stats when ezreal doesn't buy any attack speed until the third item... if he buys it at all". How am i supposed to respect an argument for buying 40% attack speed when most strong builds spend ~6000 gold without a single AS item (boots excluded)? IIRC current Ezreal optimal build path is BT,LW,Triforce or BT,LW,IE. (with BT,LW,ICB sometimes) On March 04 2013 01:36 Sermokala wrote: think bortk is better for the champs who wamt to trade with auto attacks but champs like graves ezreal who trade far and away from far away from auto attack range would apreciate the brusiesing poke from their abilities and don't want their damage falling off when the enemy duo gets low. . No, BotRK will be bad on champions which want to trade since you rarely get to use your auto attack animation when trading and generally rely on a single auto attack. With the exception of Kog'Maw again most trades will be AA,Ability, AA or AA,ability only. BotRK is best on champions who want to go all in and auto attack the entire time. It begs the question "why don't you buy attack speed in lane?" and supplies the answer "because you don't really use it". A dagger, at 12% attack speed is actually pretty comparable in auto attack DPS to a longsword once you have ~100 AD. But you would never buy a dagger in lane over a longsword even if you already had your sustain because you just don't use attack speed in lane. E.G. The only time you complete boots 2 is when you need to move to objectives, not in lane, yet its an amazingly efficient buy even if you are only buying the attack speed at 550 gold for 20% Attack Speed. So why are boots 2 after a single AD item not strong? Because you don't use attack speed in lane. On March 03 2013 21:12 Kontossis wrote: Early midgame is way in BotRK's favor. It only takes 1288 health for the active of BotRK to equal the damage of a melee range Q + R from Graves with a fully stacked BT and it heals you + steals speed + does a decent nuke. How many players are on the enemy team? Is it 1? How many times can you Q in a team fight? Do you ever use q to clear a minion wave? Caitlyn would go IE into PD, with a vamp sceptor somewhere in between. Now, people are going BotRK into IE into PD which is a hugely effective build. And she still benefits best from IE into PD, rather than BotRK into IE because her two item timing is more what we care about and IE,PD is vastly superior for a safe carry than BotRK/IE. And because the auto attack DPS of BotRK is vastly overstated by assuming that enemies have full hit points when we start hitting them. Its great as a fourth item on her though | ||
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Sufficiency
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