[N] Sicilian Mafia Style - Page 31

On July 19 2013 05:48 Korynne wrote:
I'm totally listening to that song right now because of you Ace, thanks.

Also wtf yeah gumshoe why were you so harsh? o-O I was merely asking why you were pushing for people to specifically mason you when they didn't know who to mason, instead of their most town read for example. I have no idea why you would react that harshly towards me because of such a simple question. >_<;;

Also I never said Rayn was my scummiest read. I just found his play very weird and wanted to get a better understanding of why he did certain actions because I would not have done so in his position if I was town.

Also please don't be a hypocrite. Telling me that calling townies bad (I said he was either really good scum or a bad townie) when you literally say "as scum or town you are the worst kind of player" and you're the one saying "pretty much extrapolates my being incompetent from a single thing that they personally didn't like or found distasteful." I never said you're incompetent or even remotely hinted at it, I merely asked you a question.

No I don't have a case against you, I was never trying to make one. Why the hell are you putting quotes around something I never /ever/ said?? I NEVER said I didn't like you, I NEVER said you had no mason buddies. What the fuck. I never wasted space posting this, I spend 2 lines asking you a question, and now you flipped your shit at me...

What I'm saying with the VE lynch was that 1. VE did not try to kill himself (duh) he was just picking MZ over Sloosh, 2. knolly probably didn't know that VE changed his vote that late (I didn't see your post when I posted mine and even refreshed after) so I don't think it was to kill VE. Last minute votes are always going to be heavily scrutinized and that's about the stupidest way you could try to kill day vigi as scum. (Personally I'd probably just AFK after the claim so I didn't have to change my vote from VE, or after enough momentum builds on MZ come in and say oh no guys we can't lynch VE #unvote)

Again I don't know why you have so much disdain for me for the 2 lines of text I wrote, as a question, directed to you. D: There's no reason for this kind of language "want me to respond to some idiotic far fetched idea of yours" and assume all this shit when I was just asking a question. Holy shit.

"Other wise give your posts to somebody who actually knows whats going on, cause you clearly dont."
"but please for the love of Palmer stop calling people who you think are townie bad, you damage him and yourself when you do so and you risk more worthless posts."


Are you fucking serious gumshoe? I would like an apology for your hypocritical ass.

And yes, this post is mostly fluff and directed at gumshoe because I am slightly emotionally distraught at this shit. It's been a while since I've played mafia, I come back and some guy calls me completely fucking useless from 3 posts and a question I directed at him. I'm not going to use up 10 posts tonight, so yes I am going to use 10% of my posts to talk to you gumshoe because as a human being you have upset me. >_>

On July 19 2013 05:48 Korynne wrote:
I'm totally listening to that song right now because of you Ace, thanks.

Also wtf yeah gumshoe why were you so harsh? o-O I was merely asking why you were pushing for people to specifically mason you when they didn't know who to mason, instead of their most town read for example. I have no idea why you would react that harshly towards me because of such a simple question. >_<;;

Also I never said Rayn was my scummiest read. I just found his play very weird and wanted to get a better understanding of why he did certain actions because I would not have done so in his position if I was town.

Also please don't be a hypocrite. Telling me that calling townies bad (I said he was either really good scum or a bad townie) when you literally say "as scum or town you are the worst kind of player" and you're the one saying "pretty much extrapolates my being incompetent from a single thing that they personally didn't like or found distasteful." I never said you're incompetent or even remotely hinted at it, I merely asked you a question.

No I don't have a case against you, I was never trying to make one. Why the hell are you putting quotes around something I never /ever/ said?? I NEVER said I didn't like you, I NEVER said you had no mason buddies. What the fuck. I never wasted space posting this, I spend 2 lines asking you a question, and now you flipped your shit at me...

What I'm saying with the VE lynch was that 1. VE did not try to kill himself (duh) he was just picking MZ over Sloosh, 2. knolly probably didn't know that VE changed his vote that late (I didn't see your post when I posted mine and even refreshed after) so I don't think it was to kill VE. Last minute votes are always going to be heavily scrutinized and that's about the stupidest way you could try to kill day vigi as scum. (Personally I'd probably just AFK after the claim so I didn't have to change my vote from VE, or after enough momentum builds on MZ come in and say oh no guys we can't lynch VE #unvote)

Again I don't know why you have so much disdain for me for the 2 lines of text I wrote, as a question, directed to you. D: There's no reason for this kind of language "want me to respond to some idiotic far fetched idea of yours" and assume all this shit when I was just asking a question. Holy shit.

"Other wise give your posts to somebody who actually knows whats going on, cause you clearly dont."
"but please for the love of Palmer stop calling people who you think are townie bad, you damage him and yourself when you do so and you risk more worthless posts."


Are you fucking serious gumshoe? I would like an apology for your hypocritical ass.

And yes, this post is mostly fluff and directed at gumshoe because I am slightly emotionally distraught at this shit. It's been a while since I've played mafia, I come back and some guy calls me completely fucking useless from 3 posts and a question I directed at him. I'm not going to use up 10 posts tonight, so yes I am going to use 10% of my posts to talk to you gumshoe because as a human being you have upset me. >_>

"If you want to be useful answer me this, What do you think of S@B and his post flip distinction of those who voted because of Ve's claim and those who voted in spite of it (him being in this second category which is supposedly less bad according to him)

On July 19 2013 07:27 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
That's a really pro list malongo, thanks a lot for posting it, it really gave me a good read on you and assured me you are town.

On July 19 2013 07:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
That's beautiful FT, I'm glad some people use their brains.

On July 19 2013 07:30 FirmTofu wrote:
I'm going to post my scumreads. I'll decide later if I want to post my null reads. I probably won't post my town reads.

Proposed Scum:
slOosh
kholly
layabout
Malongo


I'm going to start with slOosh because he is the person that holds this proposed scumteam together. Most of my analysis will focus on the concrete information obtained from the last few hours of Day 1 regarding votes.

slOosh: slOosh never bothered to defend himself when he was faced with an imminent lynch. Many people came to his defense(me included), with little reasoning to justify his survival. slOosh is a borderline lurker and all he has ever done this game is defend himself. There is absolutely no scumhunting in his filter, just see for yourself.

kholly: I think kholly was a significant part of the reason why VE got lynched. By unvoting and voting repeatedly, he confused everyone who was trying to figure out the vote count. He was the only person to waffle between a MZ lynch and VE lynch, indicating that he was apathetic between them.

To top it all off, kholly also happens to have a terrible list of proposed scum in:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=414884&currentpage=14#267

He never pushes his reads either. If he truly believed these people were scum, as his filter indicates, why didn't he ever try to get them lynched?

layabout:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=414884&currentpage=14#266
Doesn't think we should share who we pm. Sounds like he is in favor of withholding information.
Wants to kill Vayne because he doesn't use pms. Terrible reasoning. As I mentioned before, Vayne is stating an opinion that he expressed during pre-game. Why should that be alignment-indicative at all?

Defends Malongo, attacks VE
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=414884&currentpage=19#364

Says he wants to lynch Vivax, but never follows up
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=414884&currentpage=19#379

Overall goal seems to be to keep slOosh alive. I think that if slOosh flips mafia, this guy should be our #1 target.

Malongo: Malongo is inexorably linked to each one of these guys. I have a feeling that because VE tried to attack Malongo, scum decided VE needed to die. All of the above players ganged up on VE in order to push attention away from Malongo.

When push came to shove and VE claimed, these guys decided they should hop on another town wagon to keep slOosh alive. They see Mr. Wiggles voting Mz and decide that he would be an easy target to justify a lynch on.

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Note that NONE of these players ever gave a good reason why they thought slOosh was innocent. They barely even talked about slOosh. Why did they vote MZ instead of slOosh if they could never provide a legitimate reason why slOosh wasn't mafia? Consider that voting slOosh would guarantee VE's survival, whereas a vote on MZ was not likely to go through. They would have to be very certain of slOosh's alignment in order to adequately justify voting for MZ, considering the situation.

If they actually wanted to save VE, they would have voted slOosh. Why didn't they?

If slOosh is in fact mafia, this indicates that they are avoiding interacting with their teammates to prevent links being formed between each other.

I think the most critical person to lynch in Day 2 is slOosh. With his alignment, we get a plethora of information about numerous people and the chances of him flipping scum are quite high.

On July 19 2013 07:34 marvellosity wrote:
I'm curious, Firm, why slOosh is now a solid scumread when yesterday, based on the same filter, you called him townie and said he was a much worse lynch than VE (before you decided VE was a bad lynch after all)

On July 19 2013 06:28 Korynne wrote:
Yay. *hugs* I'll comply with your SnB question then gumshoe.



Uhm, I read SnB's post regarding his vote on VE. It didn't make a lot of sense to me... I would've accepted I was "busy" with my girlfriend and didn't check the thread before lynch. But instead he sticks to saying he wants to lynch VE, and claiming didn't change that. I mean, wat? -> "I mean, I don't think his claim was a good reason to not lynch him. Claiming is just something that VE does, it's not a reason that he's scum. "

@SnB - So uh, did you want to lynch VE or not after knowing he claimed? xD

gum I would say SnB looks scummy if he's had a record of playing some games (I don't like passing judgement on weird behavior if it's new players or chez). I didn't really get any content out of his posts, like pointing out Ace policy lynching. Felt like he got suspected, backed off, got some people back on his side, and then went back to his old ways.

On July 19 2013 01:39 layabout wrote:
@slOosh dont ask dumb questions

On July 19 2013 07:30 FirmTofu wrote:
slOosh: slOosh never bothered to defend himself when he was faced with an imminent lynch. Many people came to his defense(me included), with little reasoning to justify his survival. slOosh is a borderline lurker and all he has ever done this game is defend himself. There is absolutely no scumhunting in his filter, just see for yourself.

Note that NONE of these players ever gave a good reason why they thought slOosh was innocent. They barely even talked about slOosh. Why did they vote MZ instead of slOosh if they could never provide a legitimate reason why slOosh wasn't mafia? Consider that voting slOosh would guarantee VE's survival, whereas a vote on MZ was not likely to go through. They would have to be very certain of slOosh's alignment in order to adequately justify voting for MZ, considering the situation.

If they actually wanted to save VE, they would have voted slOosh. Why didn't they?

If slOosh is in fact mafia, this indicates that they are avoiding interacting with their teammates to prevent links being formed between each other.

I think the most critical person to lynch in Day 2 is slOosh. With his alignment, we get a plethora of information about numerous people and the chances of him flipping scum are quite high.