[N] Sicilian Mafia Style - Page 30

On July 19 2013 01:33 gumshoe wrote:


Wow, so much bad in so few words.

1:

Hmm that sounds like a good point, wonder who said that, yeah that was you. And what was Meatpak if not a scummy lurker? He fit your initial preference, whats so scummy about Ve voting for him? Why didnt you consdider doing likewise, you were clearly around during the final hour seeing as you promptly made this jewel of a post.

2: A townie only knows for sure that he is a townie, it is his duty to make sure that he does not get lynched, Meatpak was a viable lynch and would have happened if not for Knolly, are you telling me that if you were in that exact same spot and another likely lynched popped up you would not vote to save yourself?

3: Why are you trying to justify a bad lynch? It happened, it was party your fault yes, but the point is to acknowledge the mistake and see what it means, instead you spend a precious post insulting Ve and defending your own retarded stance.

4: How many times do we need to say this? Ve could have confirmed himself, why would townies feel the need to vote for him right away?

Grrrrr scum post detected.

Also thanks Marv your the best ( : I don't really need a mason from anyone else anymore.

rayn has been acting very townie, he's playing recklessly and honestly. he's giving out way more information than he needs to.

#1 rule of being mafia - give town only the information that suits your interests

he claimed pardoner day 1 (an oft lynched demonstrably anti-town role) and also posted oatsmasters logs about me without prompt

people called him scum for being overly trusting, but this is a town trait NOT a mafia trait, mafia don't want to slip up in PMs and unless they have a clear plan of manipulation (pushing agenda) it's a waste of time - but rayn was using PMs to probe oatmasters head, a useless activity as scum because what any individual town thinks doesn't matter really

On July 19 2013 03:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
@FirmTofu

I find it unlikely. In the scenario that we're both town, a continued argument between us is beneficial to scum. Even if you choose to not engage with me, it will keep my attention on you Day 2 which is another day that mafia won't feel any sort of pressure from me. In the scenario that I'm scum and you're town, there's no reason I can't feign contribution by continuing to push you tomorrow.

On July 19 2013 03:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
FirmTofu why would you not post your reads? I'm starting to see why DrH thinks you are mafia. You are not doing things in "I am helping town" mindset. You are unsure of what you should do, and rather than doing stuff you think is right you ask people if they think it's wise and act accordingly. That's not how a townie thinks.

On July 19 2013 03:55 Ace wrote:
posting reads for the sake of posting reads and fake contribution points is stupid. If he isn't sure about his thoughts then he shouldn't post. No one is going to read it anyway if he dies.

I'll probably investigate him tonight anyway.

On July 19 2013 03:10 Korynne wrote:
@gumshoe
Why were you so adamant on people masoning you? I mean obviously you think you are town, but it seems a little much to expect people to just trust you?

Repeated for people who are confused about VE's voting
Yeah so VE got himself killed, which makes zero sense, so I assume he didn't see kholly's vote change. So in the perspective of both players:
VE - 5, 6, 5 -> 5, 5, 6 which makes sense, he voted for MZ over Sloosh, he wanted to change his vote and influence the lynch
kholly - 5, 6, 5 -> 6, 6, 4 which is a tie... whatever that means for the game. He MAYBE could have known VE was going to switch after since they are in mason contact, but that seems really unlikely we're talking like 5min total here. So he made it a tie between VE and Sloosh, so he doesn't want Sloosh to get lynched?




I mean, you /could/ prove your claim, at the cost of delaying a lynch. And you also agree that it's bad for the pardon to be used... sooo no not really you can't prove it.

No I didn't read it, the logs were too long and there were too many things to catch up on. >_> Read it now, but honestly you seem to be throwing a million roles out there as your assumptions. You think if you didn't make this much commotion mafia would just randomly role-check you? Oh and you think mafia have a pardoner...

If you were mafia, AND there's a mafia pardoner (I'm not convinced that's a thing you seem to think there's one of every role or something) I don't think you're the pardoner. A role claim as a mafia only proves that someone on the mafia has that role, not that you personally do. And taking this much heat as a plain mafia goony I think is perfectly fine for the potential benefits of being super green/blue. You claimed the most undiscussable role, don't think there's much unnecessary attention on that. Also if you're going with scum doesn't like unnecessary attention then hey, if anyone is scum they should just get in giant fights in town. Good tip rayn.

What's wrong with sharing claims with Oats? Like you said, if he can find out in other channels, then you're just further greening yourself, not really actually contributing. I'm still a little worried about your actions. It's one thing to be like yeah okay I'm cocky I say things for certain when I don't mean them, it's another thing to go INSTA-READ GREEN GG we're now bffs Oats. As a side note, you claiming all this expertise in PM land makes me want to mason you way more than gumshoe who is over there like LOOK AT ME GUYS MASON ME.

Oh no, you're so good at PM style games and then make such a huge slip on gumshoe? Do you usually just get all omg let's post everything in the thread especially if you think the people you are talking to are town?

Interesting, you claim to be capable of playing this well as mafia. But you wouldn't do it because you wouldn't do stupid things. I find your actions more stupid from a town perspective than a mafia perspective, for what that's worth. Especially given your slip up with gum.

@layabout


You going to post that analysis now? Don't make promises you don't plan on keeping if you're town... Someone might not have looked closely at Vivax because you said you were going to do it. Also up to now you still haven't given your read on Vivax, you think Vivax is scum or not? That analysis would be a good start to you posting stuff that's actually useful.


Re:Ace
Ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Ace is probably town idiot. Doesn't matter if he plays this blatantly enough noobies eventually start a bandwagon because they get provoked. I would strongly suggest keeping Ace around and not lynching him anytime soon.

On July 19 2013 03:55 FirmTofu wrote:

I tend to agree. I don't think I will be killed today because my death would make you useful to town again.

Oh, I didn't mean my scum reads. I am definitely going to post those. I wanted to know if you wanted me to post my town reads or if that would just give scum too much information to work with in the event that I do not die.

On July 19 2013 03:42 FirmTofu wrote:

1) I would have gladly voted Meapak had I known that he was the person with the nighest votes at the time. I thought slOosh was the highest vote count other than VE, so in order to save VE, I voted slOosh.

I was also on my phone at the time so it was hard to count up the votes.

2) I have no idea what you are talking about. Please check the vote counts. If VE had voted slOosh, slOosh would have died instead of VE. My statement was just pointing this out.

3) Where am I justifying the bad lynch? I condemn the VE lynch fully and I think we should take a close look at anyone who voted him.

4) That is exactly my opinion. I think you are misinterpreting my position on the whole issue. I was one of the townies who tried to SAVE VE. I voted slOosh, who had the second highest votes at the time.

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I am going to run through a detailed voting analysis similar to what I did in NWM. I will post it soon.

I would like to get people's thoughts on whether I should post a complete list of all my reads. Does anyone think I would be a likely target for scum to kill tonight?

On July 19 2013 04:00 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Exactly. All he did in NWM practically was post reads, he spent so little time doing anything else and his cases were all constructive and confident!

FirmTofu slipped up. When I posted my first "logical" case on him he says the following (paraphrasing):
DrH makes some good points against me, people should look into them and form their own opinions.

Does this sound like a townie to you? How many players in here have been falsely accused before and thought "Yeah, he makes a good point. People should listen to him!"

Nobody.

The same arguments I made in that post - that FirmTofu referred to as valid - are the same points I kept referring to ad nauseum, which he later calls irrational, emotional, nonsense. In fact - no one else in the thread is even buying them as valid! So in fact - FirmTofu is the sole person who agreed with my case against FirmTofu in the first place! Yet, as time goes on, he continues to insist my arguments hold no merit, that I am a liar, etc!

If I am a liar - how am I town?

If you look at all of his big posts in this thread - they lead to nothing and the motivations behind them are unclear or disjointed. This is not the same town FT I read in NWM.

Couple that with his first post at the beginning of the game and his motivation is clear - to be nonconfrontational and look as townie as possible. Rather than destroying my points (which have no way of being valid or correct if he is a townie - not to mention he says they are valid one minute and then continues to argue against them, which is ridiculously suspicious) he disengages and wastes his posts casting doubt on me. What is the point of casting doubt on me if you don't even believe I'm mafia?

It's so easy to sit back and say "You guys are dumb for lynching VE!!!!!" knowing as scum he's going to lynch town, but you didn't make an effort to push the lynch around to someone else. I screamed my face off trying to get somebody to vote for this guy with me and all FT does is sit back and let it happen, reap in the town cred. It's ridiculous!

On July 19 2013 04:01 Korynne wrote:
Alright I'll mason you tomorrow if you're alive rayn. If not I'll mason you Helvetica. If only for old times sake and because you're lonely. =P

Your last paragraph on rayn makes sense to me Helvetica. I'm personally not sold on this whole mafia volunteering as little information as possible thing, because that seems like an easy trade. Unverifiable information/information town could reasonably get anyways doesn't cross someone off as scum on my list. I mean Rayn could tell his mafia buddy FT et al. to accuse you instead. But at this point I've basically resigned to Rayn is not /that/ good as why he is town. >_>

On July 19 2013 04:20 Ace wrote:
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