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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
On July 18 2013 14:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote: lmfao i can't believe how stupid tl towns are sometimes, I'm going to jump out a window when FT is the last remaining mafia and wins the game wonderful how you have less posts tonight and you waste one saying that | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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yamato77
11589 Posts
On July 18 2013 15:27 kushm4sta wrote: wonderful how you have less posts tonight and you waste one saying that Wonderful how you've been wasting posts the whole game. ZZZZZZIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGG | ||
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Vivax
21991 Posts
Every townie who had voted VE should be ashamed and sheep people who actually know how to make good decisions in this game. For all I know though, his whole bandwagon could be made of scum and/or traitor. Not a single guy I can be sure of being town on there. Lynch layabout, S & B, ace please. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Vivax, can you actually expand on your post? Or do you just wanna lynch lurkers? Also thoughts on Yamato? Im thinking he might be scum cause gut says so. | ||
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Korynne
Canada990 Posts
I sort of skimmed/read through so I apologize if something is off. @gumshoe Why are you so adamant on people masoning you? I mean obviously you think you are town, but it seems a little much to expect people to just trust you? @layabout Little weirded out that you said: On July 18 2013 04:50 layabout wrote: I think we should lynch vivax today. I will explain why in like 2 hours. And then... On July 18 2013 09:58 layabout wrote: vivax you only had 3 wall for me to read when i said i would write a case. But now it would require way too much effort on my part with no real benefit. So 5 hours after the first post, and 3 hours after you said you would deliver... you did not deliver and says it's too much effort. What is no real benefit? That town gets an analysis of someone being town or mafia? re: raynepelikoneet Does raynpelikoneet always just straight up say they have a read on 13/18 people? And I mean already proven wrong on VE being scum... >_> I don't know how rayn plays and I get the impression that they're pretty veteran/good from what people have been saying in the thread so I'm a little confused here. Straight up claiming day 1 is a little shifty... Oh wait, he claimed something he can't prove, how nice. And then immediately is like, heyyyy, "This makes me think scum have one too." That's a lot of information for a very short first post. That sounds a lot more definitive than what VE said which is "Role /= Alignment. Just FYI, Ver is a huge proponent of this axiom and even if I confirm my role that shouldn't confirm my alignment. Just sayin." Then again rayn just seems overly cocky about things (ex. VE being mafia) so I'll take the definitive attitude with a grain of salt. Also he's in the mini mason circle (rayn, gumshoe, oats, DrH) so I'm not voting for him until further examining the circle's activities. Also, fwiw: Rayn posts end at ~4, and then posts at 6:58, RoL posts event at 7:04, Rayn jumps in at 7:12 going HEY GUYS LOOK AT ME IM TOWN AND HERE ARE PEOPLE I CLEARED. That certainly can line up with Rayn gets online, tells RoL to silence himself, and then goes all LOLOLOL LOOK IM TOWN. Everything just feels a little much. Immediate claim to be like hey I'm town I'm claiming a role that can't be proved. And then EVENT to be like hey I'm DEFINITELY town now. Re:VisceraEyes VE claiming at least makes sense because he was at risk of being lynched and I'm not sure why people didn't just let him live 'til Day 2 to use his vigi (case 1: he doesn't shoot we lynch him 1 day late whoop dee doop; case 2: he shoots wrong target because he's mafia, 1 for 1 is not a bad trade for town this early; case 3: he shoots town's chosen target and we got an extra day lynch from it, can argue about whether he's mafia or town vigi afterwards) Why is it always so hard to do anything based on common sense in mafia? So looking at the voting patterns on VE: oats - pretty early on, never changed, did not post post-claim pre-lynch, he went to bed at 2:30 and then didn't post until 10 hours later. I mean I don't care if oats sleeps 10 hours or went and did other things but the night before his last message was at 1:34, and he was back at 9:23 with a reasonably sized post. You'd think close to lynching time would be more important. Though he did say pretty definitively he was going to bed and he was pretty sure VE was scum and that was that. gumshoe - swapped after VE claimed America sloosh - voted for VE before claim, did not see posts after claim yama - voted for VE before claim, did not see posts after claim FT - switched from DrH to VE 1 min before VE claimed America, then unvotes post-claim Ace - votes for VE after VE claims America SnB - votes for VE after VE claims America layabout - votes for VE after VE claims America, then switches to MZ kholly - votes for VE after VE claims America, then switches to MZ, and then votes for VE 3min before deadline (lol all 3 people who mason'd VE voted for his death) Yeah so VE got himself killed... that's really confusing... so I assume he didn't see kholly's vote change. So in the perspective of both players: VE - 5, 6, 5 -> 5, 5, 6 which makes sense, he voted for MZ over Sloosh, he wanted to change his vote and influence the lynch kholly - 5, 6, 5 -> 6, 6, 4 which is a tie... whatever that means for the game. He MAYBE could have known VE was going to switch after since they are in mason contact, but that seems really unlikely we're talking like 5min total here. So he made it a tie between VE and Sloosh, so he doesn't want Sloosh to get lynched? @Ace Wtf Ace I don't get it. I never really got you, you made weird decisions before when we played and I'm too lazy to check if you were town or mafia then. I agree claiming is stupid, but VE at least has a provable claim whereas rayn just looks like way too many coincidences. Why did you vote for VE after he claimed America?  Especially emphasizing that if he claimed dayvig we should lynch him.To people in general: I haven't been playing for a while, curious if someone can give me a quick rundown of "good" players. Not asking for town or mafia read, just curious who are perceived to be veterans or skilled players and who's new around here. Please confirm that there is no rule about mafia having only 1 mason and town having 2 (I remember someone saying that). I say that because if that's true I could probably math up a strategy to pull out some mafia very easily. I've spent already too much time on this post instead of work... Hi again everyone. =P | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
And why the fuck would anyone vote VE AFTER he claimed? All of these people need to explain. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
Explain this post from scum!rayn PoV: [b]Also, fwiw: Rayn posts end at ~4, and then posts at 6:58, RoL posts event at 7:04, Rayn jumps in at 7:12 going HEY GUYS LOOK AT ME IM TOWN AND HERE ARE PEOPLE I CLEARED. That certainly can line up with Rayn gets online, tells RoL to silence himself, and then goes all LOLOLOL LOOK IM TOWN. given that; 1) I insta-claimed pardoner to Oats who was my first town read 2) I told Oats that i would tell him if i got any claims 3) Gumshoe promised to claim to me before i got silenced 4) I got silenced How do my actions make sense from scum pov, if you are assuming i silenced myself? Or are you assuming that?[/quote] | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
@Ace Wtf Ace I don't get it. I never really got you, you made weird decisions before when we played and I'm too lazy to check if you were town or mafia then. I agree claiming is stupid, but VE at least has a provable claim whereas rayn just looks like way too many coincidences. Why did you vote for VE after he claimed America? Especially emphasizing that if he claimed dayvig we should lynch him. tbh i would have totally pardoned VE if i was not asleep. just saying. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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Korynne
Canada990 Posts
So you publicly say you're going to mason someone. Immediately claim to them with your oh so amazing townread on them, and then claim to town with no provocation whatsoever 30min afterwards. I don't see the point of doing that. You just made the most useless claim possible because you can't prove it. Also none of your actions clear you. It's not like gumshoe is now not going to claim to you because you got silenced. You did something that delays you getting information at worst, and makes you look very clean at best. If you're mafia and gumshoe claims something important to you, killing him still draws suspicion to you, and not killing him means knowingly leaving a strong role around. At best the rest of the mafia has to push for his lynch, because you sure as hell can't with that oh so amazing townread on him. But no, if you got silenced, there's no possible way you betrayed gum, you're so town, it must be because the mafia was suspicious of gum being important after you publicly told everyone that gum is going to claim to you. Oh and gumshoe wasn't exactly happy you painted a giant target on his head, was that intentional too? "less thanks for mentioning the claim stuff...that was kinda private." Oh, how convenient, you were asleep. You saying you would've totally pardoned VE doesn't mean shit and you acknowledge that right? Because at lease VE acknowledged that hey, role != alignment and you're being all just saying, I would've pardoned him, give me townie points for something that has absolutely no value. At this point my read on you is basically that you are a cocky person (oh look at all these reads I /totally/ know and all these snap decisions I instantly made), you're either really smart or you're just doing random dumb shit as overeager town. At this point I would like to hear from players who have played with rayn in the past re: whether you think rayn is capable of that. And if rayn is not, is it likely for someone else to be smart enough to orchestrate that as mafia and have rayne carry it out like that. If you guys believe it's highly unlikely, then okay, you're just an overeager townie and I'll keep that in mind when reading your posts. =P | ||
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geript
10024 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On July 18 2013 18:52 Korynne wrote: rayne: So you publicly say you're going to mason someone. Immediately claim to them with your oh so amazing townread on them, and then claim to town with no provocation whatsoever 30min afterwards. I don't see the point of doing that. You just made the most useless claim possible because you can't prove it. I can prove my claim if needed. Why are you saying it can't be proved? Why would i need provocation to claim an anti-town role in thread as town? Assume for a second i am town, do you think it was wise for me to claim or not? Did you read the part in me/Oats logs where i said "if i hadn't claimed a possible rolecop + scum pardoner will fuck me up". Also none of your actions clear you. It's not like gumshoe is now not going to claim to you because you got silenced. You did something that delays you getting information at worst, and makes you look very clean at best. If you're mafia and gumshoe claims something important to you, killing him still draws suspicion to you, and not killing him means knowingly leaving a strong role around. At best the rest of the mafia has to push for his lynch, because you sure as hell can't with that oh so amazing townread on him. But no, if you got silenced, there's no possible way you betrayed gum, you're so town, it must be because the mafia was suspicious of gum being important after you publicly told everyone that gum is going to claim to you. Oh and gumshoe wasn't exactly happy you painted a giant target on his head, was that intentional too? "less thanks for mentioning the claim stuff...that was kinda private." Of course nothing clears anyone totally. Hell if i led a lynch on scum for the first 10 days that does not make me definitely town. But, if i was mafia, why would i claim pardoner (unless our team didn't have that role at all - in that case i can understand the motive)? When i claimed i just became a target of discussion. Why would i want unnecessary attention as scum (don't get me wrong, i love attention as scum - but not unnecessary attention). Why would i tell Oats i will share all claims with him? Why would i PM-block myself when gumshoe wants to claim to me? How does this make sense? I just prevented myself from having at least one claim, and there is a possibility of via some chain Oats would hear about me having claims if i lied about them to him. I also used a really good power to achieve nothing. PM's favor town far more than scum, if i was scum i would definitely not block myself, maybe my teammate but definitely not me. Almost all the games i have played (that are not on this site) are off-thread comm games, i can deal with PM-shenanigans as town/mafia. In my logs with Oats is an example of one game if you want to look more into my playstyle/capabilities. Btw, holy fuck. I just realized something. Sorry gumshoe. I didn't even understand what i did until now. fml-. :E Oh, how convenient, you were asleep. You saying you would've totally pardoned VE doesn't mean shit and you acknowledge that right? Because at lease VE acknowledged that hey, role != alignment and you're being all just saying, I would've pardoned him, give me townie points for something that has absolutely no value. You are right, that was purely a reactinoary post when i finished reading the thread, believe it or not. At this point my read on you is basically that you are a cocky person (oh look at all these reads I /totally/ know and all these snap decisions I instantly made), you're either really smart or you're just doing random dumb shit as overeager town. At this point I would like to hear from players who have played with rayn in the past re: whether you think rayn is capable of that. And if rayn is not, is it likely for someone else to be smart enough to orchestrate that as mafia and have rayne carry it out like that. If you guys believe it's highly unlikely, then okay, you're just an overeager townie and I'll keep that in mind when reading your posts. =P I am a cocky asshole truth to be told. ;D I use certainties in my reads even if i am not certain, because i hate people saying "this might be that, but then again... idk". What's the purpose of saying so? If you seem like you can't convince yourself you sure as hell will convince others right? I don't consider myself "good" but "decent" as either alignment and yes, i could do that as scum, but i wouldn't. I don't make stupid things that i benefit nothing from as mafia. Who do you think is mafia btw? You gave a long analysis on VE -voters and me and asked some questions from couple of other people. Are they your scumreads atm? | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
@ VA: I saw you made a case on me. ---> I made a good case on VE for that time being. I think everybody would agree with that? I was the first to make a case vs VE so you can’t say I was sheeping. Obviously people are going to see the same things… However, your case vs me was out of the blue. I give you that. Ace, FirmTofu (I pasted those 2 guys red but it's a very weak read, a little bit higher than the othe VE voters because I know these 2) Ace, you were scum in the nuclear game, and I am getting the same vibe from you now. Why do you say that you will sheep DH (which is a town read for me) and then go kill a vigilante that DH didn't vote on. On July 18 2013 11:45 Ace wrote: I see him say "I am America". How did this get taken as a serious claim? Are people putting words in VE's mouth? If he did in fact claim my vote will stay. Otherwise I'm just unvoting. This is a silly post. My bet, you knew that you didn't have to unvote while making the post. But meh, you played lackluster in the nuke game. Maybe you still are. FirmTofu, I am somewhat surprised that you are not the raving madman from the nuclear game. The nuclear game was/is my first real game and you stood out for your aggressive pursuing. While your 180 on VE was surprising. Especially your defensive stand on him, I haven’t seen that side from you. That’s why I asked that question to you yesterday, I actually wanted to vote for you. But decided not to because you were pissing off DH so much that I think he will take a good look at you know. Anyway, I see you more as an attacker than a defender. While yesterday you were defending. Maybe too many scums on VE train already? That’s my take on current events. I think my Day 2 will be closesly following the guys that voted VE and FirmTofu. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
marvel, mason me if you can? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On July 18 2013 23:51 Ace wrote: I voted for VE because I felt like it. Was going to unvote and thats why I asked if he really claimed. When I see that 2 people are silly enough to claim Day 1 I just resign the guy to his fate. We've been through this and he should know that move is bad for Town and we know he is capable of fake claiming. Add in rayne's claim and Scum know who is not the cop or doctor, and either can get lynched for lying in the future if Town. Bad plays but hey I'm not even reading the thread anyway. Yes, you've been through it and he flipped town as well last time. You can keep blaming him but actually you don't ever learn yourself, you just repeat the same mantra and then the obvious happens. There's no point calling other people bad when you're unwilling to adapt yourself. You've used up both your masons, Hiro? | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
So would I, Hiro  | ||
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