EPTBut yes, main point above, I pretty much DID have it in my hands to lynch Kohbee day 1.
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
But yes, main point above, I pretty much DID have it in my hands to lynch Kohbee day 1. | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
On April 07 2012 00:37 marvellosity wrote: Ok. So it seems fairly clear that Solohan is getting lynched this Day cycle unless something very odd happens. So we should try to make our time as productive as possible. A wise man said to me - a scum's aim is simply to appear as town, whereas a townie's aim is to scumhunt. Which of these takes more effort? Scumhunting. Taking that in mind, I'm left with looking at s&b, Hiro, and omnom. I have fairly strong town reads on s&b (if you are mafia, well played sir). So that leaves Hiro and omnom. I've read both their filters multiple times this afternoon, and I'm ready to take some action. With that in mind, I would like to put forward a case against HiroPro. The gist of this case will be that Hiro has not attempted to scumhunt, NOR taken any firm stances. I posted my full reads during day 2. I specifically identified omnom and solohan as my mafia reads and gave my reasons why. On April 07 2012 00:37 marvellosity wrote: First we have the vote for omnom, based on the fact he's lurking. Even though we know omnom had a reason to be lurking (it was given). I'd also like to point out omnom's filter is in fact twice as long as Hiro's. Reread my full post. It was based on the fact that both of you had voted for FourFace - who appeared strongly town and was very vocal and attempted to lead - traits that make mafia want to get rid of him. On April 07 2012 00:37 marvellosity wrote: Hiro then goes on to vote for Solohan and Therapist. in succession. Fair enough, it's Day 1. Let's see Hiro bust out some firm stances and opinions shall we? 1) is probably just lack of thread reading, but I was unvoted at the time, it wasn't a switch. 2 and 3 are more interesting though. 2) Everyone knows omnom is scummy as hell? Because at the start of the game he posted little with due explanation and he voted for a disruptive Fourface? So far you made a ONE LINE case against omnom "illogical vote on fourface" and that's it. 3) Excellent! Both are possible scum. Let's cast suspicion in various directions without making any sort of case or taking any sort of stance. What do you THINK? My stance was perfectly clear when I voted for solohan over Kohbee. Kohbee did not respond the way that a mafia would when I pressured him or when strong and yourself posted reads on him. And I had already become suspicious of the logic that solohan used to make his case. If you'll reread my posts in their entirety without taking little snippets from here and there you will see my logic. On April 07 2012 00:37 marvellosity wrote: Seems ironic. Looking at omnom's filter, at least he made a firm stance on Kohbee. He also made some sort of case on him (which Hiro has yet to do against anyone). Let's not forget guys, being WRONG on something is not a scumtrait. It's the motivation behind it we have to look at. Mafia have more information than town, remember, so it's easier for them not to be wrong. None of Hiro's posts have had any real substance whatsoever. Hiro has casted doubts upon almost everyone in the game, without ever making a case against someone or scumhunting. Seems like scum. Town? Discuss. As I've said before, omnom is mafia. When you leave aside the posts that promise to post later and talk about unrelated stuff, what you see is a meaningless argument with Kohbee, reads that ignore what is going on in the game and focus only on what omnom feels about the person personally, posts that appear clueless (not knowing the basic rules written out in the first post) in order to make us less suspicious, and a general disregard for what matters for the town (suggesting a lynch target other than solohan). Omnom is the 2nd mafia member. | ||
Heyoka
Katowice25012 Posts
I don't understand how those 2 points can be held against me, when this is cleary my first game, and that I have been busy with work and kept you guys updated the whole time. | ||
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omnomMuffins
United States255 Posts
Anyway to extrapolate further, the point is that being wrong is not a mafia trait, especially since as town we don't know anything. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
Hiro: you voted for Solohan because "you didn't want mafia to control the vote". You said Kohbee is completely pro-town simply on the basis that he was talking, but that's not why you voted Solohan at the time. Town, we still have a chance at winning this (and as far as I can see, town very rarely win newbie/mini games) if we can keep the discussion going. First stop is omnom posting something containing serious discussion (whether at IPL or not - do you want town to win?) | ||
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omnomMuffins
United States255 Posts
I can't say anything that I haven't said to defend myself. I find no reason to post the same messege repeatedly in the thread. Add the mafia's kill tendencies into the game and anyone who leads the discussion is killed. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On April 07 2012 10:34 omnomMuffins wrote: I have already made my serious post and got schooled on the rules. Whoever the second mafia is, I don't know. I can't say anything that I haven't said to defend myself. I find no reason to post the same messege repeatedly in the thread. Add the mafia's kill tendencies into the game and anyone who leads the discussion is killed. Well that's no use, is it? You haven't said anything of note since the Kohbee lynch. There's only a few of us left, so "errrr, I dunno" doesn't quite cut it at this point. | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
Hiropro says it's omnommuffins. I say it's probably marvellosity but I'm not sure. Marvellosity says it's hiropro. Omnommuffins who do you think the remaining mafia player is? It would be good to have your opinion. I've read through your posts in this thread since the Kohbee lynch, and I don't see anything from you on that. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On April 08 2012 04:07 strongandbig wrote: So as far as I can tell, we have the following setup for the second mafia. Hiropro says it's omnommuffins. I say it's probably marvellosity but I'm not sure. Marvellosity says it's hiropro. Omnommuffins who do you think the remaining mafia player is? It would be good to have your opinion. I've read through your posts in this thread since the Kohbee lynch, and I don't see anything from you on that. Grats for totally ignoring my point on the voting on Day 1. I'm starting to think you're doing so wilfully. In the meantime ##Vote: Solohan50 | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
On April 08 2012 04:56 marvellosity wrote: Grats for totally ignoring my point on the voting on Day 1. I'm starting to think you're doing so wilfully. In the meantime ##Vote: Solohan50 When you voted for Therapist it was 3-3. That's not the same kind of "free" lynch as I was talking about before. What I meant was when someone could claim to not have read the roleclaim from kohbee. You would have had to vote for kohbee after he roleclaimed. Anyway my feeling is not only based on that. | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
Anyway the point is that you still hadn't voted when kohbee claimed his role. I was talking about people who could safely claim to have not seen him claim. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
The real point is that it was 4-3 (like I said, not 4-2, please PLEASE read my post) and I saved Kohbee. Who cares that people could safely claim bla bla, that's irrelevant. Please tell me my MAFIA motivation for SAVING Kohbee from the vote Day 1 followed by going after him superhard during the next day. Please tell me why as Mafia, when Kohbee claims blue, I would not happily condemn him to the lynch with no fuss whatsoever. Your whole long post goes on about analysing ACTIONS, my actions were to NOT get the free blue lynch and then put my neck on the line by going after him hard the next day. Why would I do that? Makes no sense. | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
When I say that people who turned down the "free lynch" are less suspicious, I mean people who didn't have to act. You had to act or else you would have been modkilled. The mafia motivation is that it makes more sense for mafia to save the cop, thereby gaining town cred, and then roleblock him, than it does for mafia to publicly kill him after he made his roleclaim. The only time it makes sense for mafia to have him lynched after his roleclaim is if they can do it through inaction. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On April 08 2012 07:10 strongandbig wrote: My point is that you couldn't just do nothing. You had to either save him or not save him, thereby killing him. If you did the latter, it would have been obvious that you killed him after he claimed that he was the cop. If you did anything other than save him, it would have been suspicious. When I say that people who turned down the "free lynch" are less suspicious, I mean people who didn't have to act. You had to act or else you would have been modkilled. The mafia motivation is that it makes more sense for mafia to save the cop, thereby gaining town cred, and then roleblock him, than it does for mafia to publicly kill him after he made his roleclaim. The only time it makes sense for mafia to have him lynched after his roleclaim is if they can do it through inaction. Then why would I have then gone after Kohbee so hard the next day? It makes no sense. I could easily have voted for Kohbee the first day on the basis that his cop claim was a desperate mafia move (as many people have said in this thread). As mafia then, I would save the cop (who everyone would have acknoweldged could be argued as mafia desperation) only to want to roleblock him and then go after him super-hard the next day? Your entire arguments reeks of bullcrap and I don't like it. | ||
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Solohan50
37 Posts
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
On April 08 2012 08:19 Solohan50 wrote: ##Vote: strongandbig Thanks, man. | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
Night 3
strongandbig (1): Solohan50 Solohan50, Mafia Roleblocker has been lynched! Night 4 has begun! Please send in your actions to both Radfield and Cephiro. Night ends in 24 hours, on Monday, Apr 09 12:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) | ||
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Solohan50
37 Posts
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On April 08 2012 09:55 Solohan50 wrote: Awww, I was hoping for an awesome death scene. Maybe eaten by an alligator, or given an overdose of animal sedative instead of truth syrum. Anyway gentlemen, good game. I shall see you all in the afterlife. Sorry about that, I'm at work right now  | ||
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omnomMuffins
United States255 Posts
I am leaning towards HiroPro as mafia. Will do a whole post on why once this whole GSTL drama dies down. I reserve the right to change that opinion when I go through the filters again. Though we have seen my record on reading people :-/ this game is hard without body language and tonal inflections. | ||
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