EPTBackseat Broodwar - Vol. I - Page 3
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HonestTea
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agen
Barbados111 Posts
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agen
Barbados111 Posts
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Realpenguin
8253 Posts
can't wait for the next edition | ||
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CursOr
United States6335 Posts
When sAviOr innovates, its only an innovation for a very short time. It's not long before people are practicing these mechanics (swarm casting or 2 hatch timings) and they become standard. Likewise, the defense to these builds and unit combos get devised and drilled into the next generation of players. New players are always showing up with mechanics that blow our mind. It was JulyZerg I remember, then it was Bisu then Jaedong then Flash... now players like Baby still wow us with raw mechanical ability. But TL will always hold a candle for the people that taught us all how to play Starcraft. BoxeR, sAviOr, Nal-ra, and YellOw. They made the game a spectator sport... the others just learn it. | ||
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pripple
Finland1714 Posts
i don't know about the balance of PvZ, but how the hell did Movie lose to Calm after harassing so beautifully for like 10 minutes? that felt just plain wrong :< has this Maps' balance table been in TLPD for long? i've never seen it. excellent writeup once again, i feel like theres good articles coming almost everyday! | ||
TheBB
Switzerland5133 Posts
On October 18 2009 14:13 Plexa wrote: BB is here to give you the lowdown on what's good and bad in Starcraft. Yes. Yes, I am. | ||
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ZooG
Sweden618 Posts
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domane
Canada1606 Posts
On October 18 2009 16:18 agen wrote: "Seem" is the important term here. I think you might view it that way, because you would rather see the post in a negative light.Oh, I thought I should add that having the "appropriate" degree of respect for old players is really just a way of proving that you've followed the scene from the beginning. Of course recently converted starcraft fans won't have a sense of the importance that players like boxer made to the esport. It's fun to read about the history of starcraft professional gaming and just how integral the fore-bearers were to its success. There may be no need to draw comparisons between jaedong and yellow, but the "disrespect" this pays to Yellow seems less rational a motivation for complaining about it than simply wanting to prove that you were there since the beginning - an absurdly arbitrary reason for feeling self-important. People new to SC, can easily develop an "appropriate degree of respect for old players". All that's needed is some time spent going through old articles and/or videos (especially moments of exciting, game turning micro). Naturally, a person might become inspired or awed by their techniques and executions. I'm definitely one of those people - I found out about pro SC in 2005 and only learned about Savior in 2008. During a few years, I developed and kept some respect for old players, even though I found out many were being left behind by new players. I disagree with your last point about "disrespect". I think there is no second, so-called real reason why Plexa argued against comparing old and new players. Only the simple fact that the difference in knowledge, between players of past (as far back as 8-9 years) and present, is too great. The great players of every era, make the best use of what they know at the time. An example is Olympic swimming - new athletes set new records, due to more efficient training and swim suits. But the achievements of previous record holders (and multi-gold medalists), like Ian Thorpe should not deserve less importance or be seen as inferior. This is because certain individuals were truly awesome and dominant during the hight of their success, and their achievements deserve acknowledgement from viewers. | ||
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agen
Barbados111 Posts
On October 18 2009 17:24 domane wrote: "Seem" is the important term here. I think you might view it that way, because you would rather see the post in a negative light. People new to SC, can easily develop an "appropriate degree of respect for old players". All that's needed is some time spent going through old articles and/or videos (especially moments of exciting, game turning micro). Naturally, a person might become inspired or awed by their techniques and executions. I'm definitely one of those people - I found out about pro SC in 2005 and only learned about Savior in 2008. During a few years, I developed and kept some respect for old players, even though I found out many were being left behind by new players. I disagree with your last point about "disrespect". I think there is no second, so-called real reason why Plexa argued against comparing old and new players. Only the simple fact that the difference in knowledge, between players of past (as far back as 8-9 years) and present, is too great. The great players of every era, make the best use of what they know at the time. An example is Olympic swimming - new athletes set new records, due to more efficient training and swim suits. But the achievements of previous record holders (and multi-gold medalists), like Ian Thorpe should not deserve less importance or be seen as inferior. This is because certain individuals were truly awesome and dominant during the hight of their success, and their achievements deserve acknowledgement from viewers. Alright, I think that's fair, I took offense to what I thought sounded like belittlement. I didn't mean to make a comment about whether or not new or old players were better. I just intended to say that I thought criticizing people who post hyberbolically about how great the player is they support was unnecessary. To use my own sports analogy: Have you ever been to a sports bar to watch a soccer game? Do you try and tell the fans that they're biased, that they shouldn't think so highly of their team, and that their zealous support offends the predecessors who made greater contributions to the sport? Are they wrong to be blindly biased in their allegiance? I don't think it matters. The reason soccer is so universally popular is because of the fans who are passionate about the teams and players they support. They enjoy it within the context they understand it, and that is what is more important than the legacy or history of soccer. If you want to preserve the legacy of starcraft and cast an objective light upon the players in the scene, then I would certainly encourage you to do so. Cataloguing and preserving starcraft history seems to me to be an essential function of this website. However, I don't think it's necessary to criticize others when they seem less keen on being unbiased, or even knowledgeable. Passionate support fuels interest in starcraft. I mean, look at the word "fan". Its origins belong to the word "fanatic". Fanatics are not rational, they are fanatical. The majority of sports fans, and esports fans, do not possess an archival knowledge of their sports. My point is that it's not necessary to be condescending towards others, especially since bandwagons feed excitement. Tiger Woods restored the public's interest in golf. Golf announcers, commentators, and especially us laymen, were saying that he might be, or was, better than Jack Nicholson far earlier on in his career than was justifiable, and that's why interest in golf was resuscitated. It happens any time a player shows signs of greatness; we wonder if they might be the greatest, and even declare them as such. It's a good thing, and even if it weren't, there's no need to be offensive. Have you ever read a magazine editorial which said, "Yea, nobody cares, noob."? Most starcraft followers, including myself, are noobs. If you want to promote starcraft, there's no need to criticize the fanbase. | ||
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eMbrace
United States1300 Posts
just my opinion though | ||
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amorpheus
Bulgaria2144 Posts
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Loanshark
China3094 Posts
On October 18 2009 17:42 eMbrace wrote: tbh, i think this article is awfully petty. just my opinion though I have to say I don't agree with some of the opinions in the article too, but overall it was still a good article. The frequency of the volumes is going to determine how much ass this kicks. | ||
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blue_arrow
1971 Posts
hopefully it will get better, and then draw a significant and steady number of readers and responders in the future it might be able to expand into other things, and become something more | ||
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Uraeus
France1378 Posts
 I really like the idea of weekly highlights of the BW scene. And I totally support the idea of "educating" the newest members, just as I support the increased use of warnings/bans (seriously, who doesn't hate the "XvY IMBA!" "X for BONJWA!" "STREAAAAM PLSSSSSS!" "ME WANT VODS!!!" posts that are flourishing everywhere?). TL's content is getting so vast new members may just not know where to start to get better knowledge of the game. That kind of article, by addressing a few current issues and linking to a few related posts, is a great opportunity to start digging in the past. On a side note, as an  Anytime fan, I am happy his heritage is finally in the spotlight! | ||
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Etherone
United States1898 Posts
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
 I could give you a breakdown about what we each wrote about but i tihnk its pretty clear from the style change | ||
disciple
9070 Posts
I hope Plexa and Riptide keep working together, this was a very enjoyable read. As much as I oppose the Plexa's take on objective journalism, I always love the quality of his posting | ||
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NewblearBomb
Canada7 Posts
Am I the only one that cringes when I see phrases like 'raped from wall to wall' being applied to starcraft? For what it's worth, I'd prefer not to read such phrases. That being said, I recognize the emphasis it gives when referring to a one-sided victory, and I still greatly appreciate the effort put into the above article. So most of all, just thanks. | ||
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fanatacist
10319 Posts
Great article, keep up the good work with this new line of newsposts! | ||
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