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Backseat Broodwar - Vol. I - Page 5

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Symmetry
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada294 Posts
October 18 2009 17:38 GMT
#81
On October 19 2009 02:33 SonuvBob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2009 15:50 the PUNisher wrote:
guys read, it clearly says:

"Sigh, we wish. But two nerds can dream, right?"

They won't ban you just for writing bonjwa.



I saw it in the automated ban thread first, and I must say I lol'd heartily. Keep up the good work =D
SonuvBob
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Aiur21550 Posts
October 18 2009 17:45 GMT
#82
Aw, the Y2038 bug made it wrap around, he's already unbanned.
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MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10344 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-18 18:29:43
October 18 2009 18:28 GMT
#83
Plexa, I typically admire your work. With that said...

The first part of this article seemed incredibly unnecessary. Some guy starts a thread about something he knows nothing about regarding TL, and it inspires you to rant about the "cardinal sin" of disrespecting the old progamers? Was it worth it?

Look, we know Boxer, Savior, etc., are wonderful. We know because the staff takes every single opportunity to shout it from the mountaintops. Like this article, for example. It's a "weekly eSports article," but here we are, talking about about how great Boxer and Savior were... again.

There's great Starcraft happening now, and if someone doesn't care what Boxer or Savior did for the game, who cares? Let it go. Anyone with a third of a brain knows you don't compare eras, anyway. I can't believe you let it bother you this much.

EDIT: In your face, Luxury haters.
[21:07] <Shock710> whats wrong with her face [20:50] <dAPhREAk> i beat it the day after it came out | <BLinD-RawR> esports is a giant vagina
thopol
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Japan4560 Posts
October 18 2009 19:41 GMT
#84
bonjwa bonjwa bonjwa bonjwa.

whew.

Your article got nicer when you started talking about SC and not how cool you are. Really though, what's this about? What will this cover? Just a general overview of the world of ESPORTS? Ranting and whining? A distraction from the league-specific coverage that you write? An Artosis starcraft weekly roundup knockoff? I'm just a little confused.
eMbrace
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States1300 Posts
October 18 2009 19:47 GMT
#85
On October 18 2009 18:10 Loanshark wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2009 17:42 eMbrace wrote:
tbh, i think this article is awfully petty.

just my opinion though


I have to say I don't agree with some of the opinions in the article too, but overall it was still a good article.

The frequency of the volumes is going to determine how much ass this kicks.


Hey, if it's on the TL front page, it has to be an amazingly written article doesn't it?




OpticalShot
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada6330 Posts
October 18 2009 19:50 GMT
#86
Definitely some nice stuff here.
E-sports is cool but you guys (TL) make it cooler!
[TLMS] REBOOT
103Smalls
Profile Joined September 2009
United States13 Posts
October 18 2009 19:51 GMT
#87
On October 18 2009 15:34 QibingZero wrote:
The only thing different about the bandwagon that followed Savior, and the ones of today, is that during Savior's time there really weren't any players good enough have a competing 'bandwagon' of their own. For a while I remember despising CJ fans even more than SKT fans (no small feat), and - like anyone at the time - I was well aware of how good Savior was.

It's really cruel that we bash these new fans for the same thing we were guilty of in the past (and still are today) - liking a player. It doesn't make you any more of a starcraft fan if you like Calm rather than Jaedong. It really doesn't.

If anything, I think TL is often stuck too far in the past. Obviously we're going to be more hyped when old pros play if we've been following the scene a long time (omg Midas plays this week!), but we're at the same time blind to the dominance of the players who are right before our eyes. There's a heavy level of bias preventing newer players from being mentioned in the same sentence as the old greats. Obviously long threads of Jaedong vs Bisu bonjwa discussion are more annoying than anything, but you can't tell me you didn't feel something akin to the old days when Jaedong came back from 0-2 in Batoo. You can't tell me you didn't think starcraft was still starcraft when he stopped fantasy's vulture, blind, with 2 lings and a drone.

The motions are still there, maybe we're just too busy thinking about the past to see them.



/Agree.

p.s. very enjoyable article.
Kennigit *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada19447 Posts
October 18 2009 19:57 GMT
#88
Can we also ban the use of "TL"
TL does this, TL does that.....TL is tens of thousands of users....how can you possible say "TL is stuck in the past"?
TL
Profile Joined March 2008
6 Posts
October 18 2009 20:04 GMT
#89
thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
October 18 2009 20:04 GMT
#90
I can't wait until another T1 player wins an OSL. It looks like I'll be heartily cheering for Fantasy again this year.

Bisu/Best both made it into the MSL though, hopefully they'll make some noise there.

I like this article.
Every time Jung Myung Hoon builds a vulture, two probes die. || My post count was a palindrome and I was never posting again.
Turbovolver
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia2396 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-18 20:10:39
October 18 2009 20:06 GMT
#91
On October 18 2009 16:00 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2009 15:56 Alur wrote:
By the way Plexa, i thought you hated Anytime with a passion. Yet you compliment BackHo for his Anytime style of play.

[Vod Removed]
Even the most cold hearted anti-fan must concede that that is incredibly sexy play

You sure are proving the older players are leagues apart, that's for sure. Backho's game was way cooler.
The original Bogus fan.
errol1001
Profile Joined April 2008
454 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-18 20:21:31
October 18 2009 20:18 GMT
#92
it's the savior/oov/etc fanboy's turn to bash the new wave of fans, the jaedong/bisu/flash fans, just like they were probably bashed when their favorites were new and at the top of their game. And in 2012, those fans of Jaedong/Bisu/Flash (and some will probably be staffed) will bash the newer fans, and exclaim that TL is NOT about these idiots, it's about the old school KIMTAEKLEESSANG fans in addition to Boxer, yellow, etc..

Where will the cycle of hatred end?
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
October 18 2009 20:20 GMT
#93
They aren't complaining about Bisu/Jaedong fans they are saying that it is retarded to compare Jaedong to YellOw and it is.
RIP Aaliyah
errol1001
Profile Joined April 2008
454 Posts
October 18 2009 20:36 GMT
#94
yeah, and I don't dispute that. It just sounded like looking down on new fans in general aside from that.
ThanatosSyndrome
Profile Joined October 2009
United States5 Posts
October 18 2009 20:41 GMT
#95
I must say (and I must say it in my first post here on Team Liquid), that I absolutely loved this article. Once the first section was over, mind you. Regardless of whether or not you think the likes of Bisu/Jaedong/whatever are getting too much praise over the forerunners of modern competitive Starcraft, the fact is that writing in the way seen in the first part this article is highly unprofessional. It begs me to ask the question, "What is the point"? While the second half was well written and enjoyable, the first half came off as whining, and really held no relevance toward the piece as a whole.

Take that as you will, but a front page article, in my humble opinion, needs to be a bit more professional than what the first half presented, whether you agree with its content or not.
pvzvt
Profile Joined October 2009
Israel2097 Posts
October 18 2009 20:57 GMT
#96
interesting article, as much as i am a fan of oz team
the potential in new players on kt is much greater
kt- stats , violet , luxury (we're not talking about new or old players but rather the potential a team may acheive) firefist and hoejja in comparison to
oz- perfectman killer hiya (who is coming back to himself) and backho
clearly without mentioning the ace players of both teams i think in potential and in depth kt will rock this season .
i say we dust off and nuke it from orbit
Ronald_McD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada807 Posts
October 18 2009 21:17 GMT
#97
Nice article, I look forward to reading this all the time.

I don't think you put enough emphasis on how awesome Classic's strategy really was. That game is probably my favourite this week.
FUCKING GAY LAGS
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
October 18 2009 21:53 GMT
#98
i love it.
:)
ryuu_
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States1266 Posts
October 18 2009 22:29 GMT
#99
Great article as always expected from you two, I hope to see MBChero come out as a powerhouse this season. Can't wait till next issue xD Thanks!
♣ Jaedong. Stork. Bisu. Calm. NaDa. SC2: Sen, MKP, DRG, MMA, Grubby, NonY, Ret, Jinro, TLO, Sheth, HayprO, Zenio,Taeja,Snute, Sea, Rain, MC,Squirtle,Stephano,Parting ,Life, and HEROOOOO <3
Hinanawi
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2250 Posts
October 18 2009 22:55 GMT
#100
The first part of this article was borderline trolling, implying that everyone who is a fan of Bisu, Jaedong, or Flash is a 'bandwagon fan' with no respect for how inarguably superior the old greats are to them. It's very belittling to the players themselves.

Bisu and Flash are both revolutionists (Bisu PvZ, Flash TvP) when it comes to how all players of their race play, Jaedong proved that ZvZ wasn't rock-paper-scissors, among other things. Innovations still happen even in this studied-to-death era of Starcraft.

Now, I agree the B-word can't be used for any of them right now. But, from this article, it sounds to me like even if Jaedong suddenly shot a league above Bisu and Flash in skill and went on a 100% win-game streak and won every gold medal available until Starcraft 2 comes out, you would still refuse to acknowledge him, because only neckbeards who have been following the SC pro-scene for 5 years or more are allowed to have opinions.

I agree that comparing them to the old titans is useless, but there's no reason a player from this generation can't become a hero in retrospect a few years down the line. It seems to me that a couple years ago, you'd be writing this article about savior, saying that anyone calling him a Bonjwa is a deluded fanboy and he'll never have respect like Boxer.

I give it an 8/10 for trying to hide the trolling in the name of stopping flame wars, but it's a little too obvious.
Favorite progamers (in order): Flash, Stork, Violet, Sea. ||| Get better soon, Violet!
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