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Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
March 29 2012 00:26 GMT
#541
As for gonzaw's case, His case is based on sheeping and meta.

First for sheeping, I can say that I won't deny that I sheeped, many others did also, especcialy(DUN DUN DUN CCCALF)

Next, as for meta, others have said that my scum meta does NOT match this game, as ana example why, in the first page of my filter I didnt give my reads, but here I consistently shared my reads.
Roses Are Red, Violets Are Blue, Radiation Is Good Because Nuclear bombs go BOOM | I love TL Mafia! ♥ http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 ♥| Mvp is most boss
Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
March 29 2012 00:31 GMT
#542
Oh and for the random town read, as I said I shared my reads consistently

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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
March 29 2012 00:44 GMT
#543
On March 29 2012 09:15 johnnywup wrote:
c^3, although he posted, is clearly trying to get around the 1 post a day/night cycle... he should be modkilled imo


I strongly disagree with this. I don't like the way 3C has played, I think it's scummy, but he has not violated the rules of the game. As stated, they are:

You must post in this thread once per day/night cycle and vote every day while you are alive. If you fail to do so, you will be modkilled.


Is 3C being scummy as hell? sure. Is he barely following the requirements? yes. but he IS following them. Maybe you could even Warn him if you as the host believe that to be valid. However, he has not failed to follow the written activity requirements, and thus should not be modkilled, in my personal opinion.

Still want a vigi to shoot him though.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
March 29 2012 01:14 GMT
#544
I agree. Just really annoying having someone like him in the game.
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5245 Posts
March 29 2012 03:08 GMT
#545
posts that require attention for one reason or another:
1 2 3 4+5

night time is a good time to review what happened the previous day; don't let actions/statements of the past be pushed under the rug

sloosh where u @? i need more ppl i recognize T_T

oh and blzinghand i think you've referred to "VE" as "ET" a few times. together we make "VET" but i dont think that's what ur goin for
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
March 29 2012 03:28 GMT
#546
On March 29 2012 12:08 EchelonTee wrote:
oh and blzinghand i think you've referred to "VE" as "ET" a few times. together we make "VET" but i dont think that's what ur goin for


That's literally untrue. I challenge you to point out an occasion where this has happened.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
March 29 2012 03:33 GMT
#547
C_C, why didn't you post any reasoning behind any of your reads (besides Blue), nor defended yourself against accusations, nor tried to have the initiative and post thoughts of your own?

VE, will you stop being a bully and start making some sense? Your "Prove yourself town to me and vote C_C" shit was retarded and you should have known it.




On March 29 2012 06:58 EchelonTee wrote:
RE: gonzaw's inquiries

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On March 28 2012 13:07 gonzaw wrote:
On March 28 2012 06:31 EchelonTee wrote:
On March 27 2012 21:55 Bluelightz wrote:
IMO, froggy dont be a new Jackal58 XD,

what does "being a new Jackal" mean in context of froggy's posting?

oh and ur doing that thing where u call everyone townie. would be more helpful if you focused on your scum reads tyvm ^^


response to ppls about my posting:

On March 27 2012 22:32 gonzaw wrote:
@Echelon: What's with your weird wording? Saying things like "hip hip hurrah!" or "you are crAAAzy" and that weird attitude of yours? I don't remember you ever playing like that, seems you may be trolling or something.

1. after I tanked hard in my last town game trying to play "serious aggresive asshole town leader", i'm looking for a new, hopefully less fail-whale town playstyle and you guys are the lucky testing grounds. problem? I'm being way more clear with my "weird wording" than you and you big posts.

So you are jumping on this bandwagon as well, huh?

What do you mean by the bolded part then? You think I'm scum? Why not say it outright if you do?
If so, what else makes you think I'm scum? You never mentioned me other than saying you wanted my lynch as well.

That comment was a jab at your overall playing style; i've already said that i don't like your super large posts but that's irrelevant to alignment. do i think you're a scummy scum from scumville? no. do I think you're suspicious? yep, mostly for your tone and the subjects you are choosing to talk about. am I going to put up a case on you right now? nope.


I don't like your case on blue, b/c as a bunch of ppl have said, he's not acting like he did in Aperture perse and that's the basis of your argument. him writing "one liners" and looking "confused" isn't convincing enough, and I feel that you were just trying to push forward a new wagon on a player that lots of people criticize.



Wtf is up with the 2 bolded points?
You don't think I'm scum in the 1st point, but you think I'm pushing a wagon on a player as if was scum in the 2nd one?


Make up your mind, am I scum or not?




On March 29 2012 06:42 Nemesis wrote:
His main case against bluelightz is that he is sheeping and playing like he did in Aperture Mafia. I checked his filter in aperture mafia, no he is not playing the same way. Bluelightz is giving out his reads in here, while in Aperture he just posted a bunch of fluff.

Gonzaw, can you explain what is similar between bluelightz's player there as mafia, and his play here right now, because frankly,I don't see it.

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@Everyone: This is one of those times where I agree with C_C.
Doesn't it seem suspicious that nobody is suspicious of Blue and they defend him? A LOT of people are resisting the Blue lynch, don't you think that if he was townie some scum would jump on his bandwagon?

Maybe people are resisting, because there isn't a strong case against him?


In both games he posts "innocent" stuff like smileys, for instance "O_O" or ":O" or "D:" or whatever. He doesn't look confident, he posts just to look active, etc.

The important thing for me is that this is the next game he plays since Aperture, and I think he's playing very similarly.
He's recent posting hasn't done anything to convince me otherwise either.

And to those that say "Oh Blue is always scummy bla bla bla", well, there are plenty of games where he acts "scummy", but if you look closely you can see he's town. That's not one of those games.

Apart from his bad posting, sheeping, flip-flopping regarding that ET vote, then yes, I'm basing my argument on meta, but I think that's enough.




On March 29 2012 06:06 slOosh wrote:
Gonzaw, out of the people who have called you out, who do you think is most suspicious?



I'm most suspicious of Zentor.
After rereading his filter, there are a few things that caught my eye:


On March 27 2012 23:34 MrZentor wrote:
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On March 27 2012 23:00 Bluelightz wrote:
Zentor, since your here, What is your read on EchelonTee?

*cough* you're *cough*

EchelonTee seems to be behaving rather erratically.

He starts by being helpful and explaining how he would treat the game.
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On March 27 2012 10:14 EchelonTee wrote:
On March 27 2012 08:27 slOosh wrote:
On March 27 2012 08:21 froggynoddy wrote:
I am finding this setup really difficult to get my head around (not on the mechanics, just how to play optimally and scumhunt accordingly).


It shouldn't be at all different no? Actually I've been meaning to ask a similar question.
Does a closed-setup in general change basic scumhunting principles or do they just allow/favor different styles of play?


honestly I am treating this game like a standard Mini Mafia, with the knowledge that there is probably a few doods with nukes or powers revolving around nukes. AKA, re-skinned medics/vigs.

and if there's anything I learned from minis, it's that there's always scum hiding in the lurkers. In general I'll always argue against policy lynches (because they're bad) but in a Mini, with so few people town simply cannot afford to have non-contributors whose alignment cannot be determined. People lurking scummily (yeah there's a difference between innocent lurking and scummily lurking) should be axed over someone with only a weak case on them.

gonzaw! shouldn't you be spamming the thread by now?


He continues his good townie streak by questioning BH's play with reasons.
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On March 27 2012 12:59 EchelonTee wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On March 27 2012 12:39 Blazinghand wrote:
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On March 27 2012 12:22 Nemesis wrote:
On March 27 2012 11:52 Blazinghand wrote:
/confirm

Good morning, gentlemen.

First off, regarding our discussion of policy lynches: I personally apply a soft "lynch all lurkers" and "lynch all liars" policy to all the games in which I play. My first goal is always to lynch scum. Scum likes to lurk, and scum likes to lie. I am highly suspicious of lurkers and liars, but I will not automatically lynch every lurker and every liar-- this is too easily abused by scum. That being said, I have lynched lurkers and liars in the past and am not afraid to do so in this game. Nobody can convince me to modify my personal stance and I will not do so.

Secondarily, regarding setup: This is fairly simple. This is a closed setup with 10 town and 4 scum. Scum can win by either the traditional fashion, or by destroying 5 specific players or the other 5 specific players as an alternative wincon. It is immediately obvious that we should not share our alignment. Anarcy fo life


On March 27 2012 10:13 Nemesis wrote:
On March 27 2012 08:19 zelblade wrote:
Blabla no lynch bad blahblah

In sch post mre ltr

Do you mind posting something coherent?

On March 27 2012 07:49 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
On March 27 2012 07:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
Perhaps. Perhaps not. I noticed that you didn't give an opinion one way or the other C_C, is there a reason you don't want to commit to a stance?


As town, it's hard to stay with a solid stance. Games change, and ultimately these little things never seem to come up anyway. As mafia, having a solid stance and sticking with it is basically a free pass.
Ultimately, 'lurking' and 'lying' are only a fraction of a persons play.

However, if it's a stance you want:
In my experience, the moment you bother lynching the lurkers is the moment you know mafia are in control of the game, especially if it's done sooner.
WIFOM
If we can conclusively prove someone was lying, that person should be suspect in the first place, and automatically be rated higher than lurkers.
Thanks for stating the obvious.

This is a rather crappy post. Town SHOULD always take a stance. If your stance change throughout the game, then you just have to explain why it changed. Scum are the only one who should fear taking stances, as they can get caught when their explanation doesn't match with their stance.


The town should not take a unified stance. If we rigidly follow a unified stance scum will just crap on us. We must always adapt to the situation at hand. The idea that you're somehow gonna catch scum because of their thoughts on a POLICY LYNCH is so utterly preposterous as to be asinine in character. Policy lynches are the last resort of a lost town, not some vital centerpiece for scumhunting. I hope you can understand that.

[image loading]
In this image: Blazinghand and Nemesis.

Lol, ok one last post before I go to sleep.

Stop misrepresenting what I said to defend your scummate:
1. I never said that town should take a unified stance. Just that they should take a stance on important things.
2. I never said we shouldn't adapt. In fact, I explicitly said that stances do change, and you just need to explain it when they change.
3. I never said that discussing policy lynches are important.

Sinensis, would you please stop inflating useless topics?



1) the idea that the town should take a stance is not good. Individually, we should make our own stances and developed them with the discussion
3) discussion of policy lynches implies they are important. I believe they are important insofar as we use them in an appropriate faction.

It seems to me that your statements are unnecessarily aggressive and are hurting the town atmosphere. Your removal will help the town greatly and improve our discourse.

In any case, I think this will be appropriate:
##Vote: Sinensis

When you wake up I expect some actually helpful posts. Actually, I expect an OMGUS, but ideally you'd make some helpful posts.

[image loading]

come at me bro


preface: this aint no chainsaw

blzinghand, I feel that you're being the unnecessarily aggressive one here. first you say it's bad that nemesis is using policy as a centerpiece for lynching, then you state it's bad that nemesis says policy lynch discussion isn't important? your arguement doesn't flow. and dude, you misread his original post; he's saying "town should take stance" as in townies should each have their own stance. ur being all flashy and stuff. is this normal BH?

+ Show Spoiler +
where do you get your gifs?


He then starts to go crazy.
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On March 27 2012 13:15 EchelonTee wrote:
blzinghand i think you talking craAAAzzzy, and not the crazy I like. I mean just look at this nonsensical post
On March 27 2012 13:04 Blazinghand wrote:
But the fact of the matter is, he did somehow wake up to respond to my posts. He will doubtlessly claim that he hadn't yet gone to bed... but bear in mind that his series of actions is distinctly something a scum player WOULD do.

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Blazinghand: I thought you went to sleep.
Nemesis: I was just checking thr-
Blazinghand: He lied!! Townies never wake back up!! Lynch!!!
Jubjubs (chanting): It makes so much sense!


He then transitions from crazy back to normal good townie in this post.
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On March 27 2012 14:09 EchelonTee wrote:
TAKE ON SOMEONE YOUR OWN SIZE BUB

##vote: Blazinghand

Being good at arguing doesn't make you town. At this point you're just wildly voting people. Sowing dat chaos. Way to take the one off statement in his post and ignore the rest. You're voting people off of semantic mistakes as opposed to having any real reasoning, so thread flounders under your boot. As you might say, this kind of thinking hurts town. Scum.


He does this a few times throughout his posts. To be honest, I can't decide if this is town or mafia behavior. He could be a town who is mixing BH's and VE's styles. He could be scum trying to make it seem like he is helping town while sowing chaos. I'll let somebody else decide. :/


What is this?
He just points out ET's style of play, and puts a bunch of quotes; only to say that this doesn't matter later?

Okay, I could let this pass, since he was just asked about his thoughts on ET, but what catches my attention is the bolded part.
Not only he's wishy washy against him (a simple "He's null to me" would have sufficed), but he asks somebody else to decide? What possible motivation would he have to post that?

His next post is just a rehash of VE's case against me, pointing out the "flag" stuff and the spaces from my posting (which as you have seen, I'm trying to improve).

He then posts this referencing my post:

His last post doesn't seem nearly as suspicious as his first two.


Then after VE just points out some stuff about said post (which was weak stuff again), he immediately posts this:

I will admit that it is more suspicious than I thought it was, but I still think the second post I cited is the most suspicious.


When I asked why he suddenly thought it was suspicious, only by sheeping VE's post, he posts:

He pointed out that it was suspicious. I agreed. I told you what I think about that post you made.


Now this is clearly a lie since he never mentioned anything about that post, so when I call him out he posts:

You only asked what I thought of it, not why I thought what I thought of it.


??
Seriously, that last sentence is so wrong.
So if someone asks you what you think, then you shouldn't justify it just because they didn't specifically ask you why you think what you think?
Really? It's obvious that when someone asks pressures you for your thoughts, you not only post your thoughts but also post the reasons for thinking that; that's the point of asking in the first place, to get people to post their thought process and reasoning.

What's worse is even though he posted that, he never said why he thought about it either, he just points out I didn't ask him why he thought that, and instead of clearing doubts and posting exactly that, he just ignores it completely.


Another thing that caught my eye, and he never responded either was this:

In one of his earlier posts, he posted this:

VE seems to be promoting a good townie environment and being a lot calmer than BH. I am most afraid of him being scum, because if he were, I would never know.


He says he is afraid of VE being scum. I suppose this means he will put everything VE says under scrutiny, pressure him and keep an eye out on him in case he's scum, right?

But then the only thing he does is agree with VE about everything, and not even hint at him being scum, not ever putting him under scrutiny, nothing.

He only posts this (when I pressured him to):

Actually, I analyze everything VE says, and, so far, I've agreed with *almost* everything he has said.


I never saw anything that implied he was "analyzing" VE, nor his thoughts about him, nothing.
He just immediately agreed on VE, sheeped his case on me, and when asked about said behaviour said he "analyses everything VE says".
That seems bullshit to me.

Him defending Bluelightz and saying he played "pro-town" isn't very good either.

Oh, here's the kicker:

On March 28 2012 23:18 MrZentor wrote:
##Vote Cyber_Cheese

I'm voting for reasons I explained very early in the thread.


Please search his filter for those "reasons".
Didn't find them? here:

I do agree that his initial accusation looks suspicious. The flag is really bizarre, because I couldn't imagine posting it as mafia or towns person. If I were mafia, why would I call attention to myself with a conspicuous flag? If I were a towns person, why would I give the mafia a hint at my nationality? Currently, he does seem like the scummiest player, because of the subtle accusation accompanied with his other posts.


The ONLY time he posts his thoughts on C_C, which is basically at the start-middle of Day 1, and they are not very strong.
He basically says he "looks suspicious" because of his accusation, and nothing else (even says the flag thing is a null tell to him).
He never posted any of his thoughts on C_C's recent posting either.


I'd be willing to lynch either him or Blue tomorrow, if a vig doesn't want to do me the favour and shoot one of them tonight.



I don't like Sinensis' lack of participation and activity though.

Will ccalf get replaced? He doesn't look good at all with that ninja-vote.
If he doesn't post anything at all this night, then yes a vig should just shoot him, if not we will waste all D2 on him.




Blazinghand my dear, would you make my day and respond to that post I made eons ago?
Basically, what do you think about me? What do you think about the case made against me?
Most importantly, what do you think about Blue and Zentor?


Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
March 29 2012 03:36 GMT
#548
MrZ is a scummy buttbrace and should be lynched. I largely concur with your case against him as presented. I will review his filter and offer a more detailed analysis.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
March 29 2012 03:37 GMT
#549
That being said, just off hand I really don't like his noncomittal play and the sheeping without reasoning on the C_C vote. This strikes me as typical scum behavior.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
March 29 2012 04:26 GMT
#550
Sorry for being a bully guys, I'll try to stop. I make no guarantees.

I'm taking a look at the C_C wagon. At the very least 2 and probably more scum are on the wagon.

if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
March 29 2012 04:40 GMT
#551
On March 29 2012 13:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
Sorry for being a bully guys, I'll try to stop. I make no guarantees.

I'm taking a look at the C_C wagon. At the very least 2 and probably more scum are on the wagon.




Cyber_Cheese (12): VisceraEyes zelblade, Nemesis, Bluelightz Bluelightz, VisceraEyes, johnnywup, Sinensis, slOosh, froggynoddy, MrZentor, EchelonTee, gonzaw, cccalf

VisceraEyes (1): Blazinghand Cyber_Cheese

cccalf (1): Blazinghand



....are you kidding me? >_>

lol
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
March 29 2012 04:43 GMT
#552
EBWOP: Great, I'm waiting on your analysis BH.

I still want to know what you think about Blue, I don't think you ever stated what you thought about him previously.
Sinensis
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2513 Posts
March 29 2012 04:45 GMT
#553
Maybe I am being overly simplistic, but I think we should lynch Blazinghand because I do not believe all 4 scum would vote for the same townie when it was certain the townie was dying anyway.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
March 29 2012 04:50 GMT
#554
On March 29 2012 13:45 Sinensis wrote:
Maybe I am being overly simplistic, but I think we should lynch Blazinghand because I do not believe all 4 scum would vote for the same townie when it was certain the townie was dying anyway.


Not overly simplistic: moronical. Provide me with legitimate analysis and I'll address it. I see no reason to respond to garbage posts though.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5245 Posts
March 29 2012 04:50 GMT
#555
On March 27 2012 16:32 Blazinghand wrote:
ET: I'll examine C_C after I finish writing up and posting the case. Thanks for bringing that to our attention.

VE mentioned C_C that time
On March 28 2012 10:13 Blazinghand wrote:
Good evening gents! I'm currently putting together a 4-course meal today.
On the prix fixe menu today:

Amuse Bouche
cccalf

Entree
JW

Plats Principaux
ET
CC

Desserts
Voting someone



might've been me that time but u never posted anything about me after that, unless i missed it
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
March 29 2012 04:52 GMT
#556
On March 29 2012 13:43 gonzaw wrote:
EBWOP: Great, I'm waiting on your analysis BH.

I still want to know what you think about Blue, I don't think you ever stated what you thought about him previously.


I haven't made any statements about Bluelightz other than noting that he typically posts unhelpful lists as town. I'll add to that: he posts almost nothing as scum.

Any analysis will be posted minutes before daybreak.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5245 Posts
March 29 2012 04:53 GMT
#557
On March 29 2012 13:52 Blazinghand wrote:
Any analysis will be posted minutes before daybreak.

+1
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
March 29 2012 04:54 GMT
#558
On March 29 2012 13:50 EchelonTee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2012 16:32 Blazinghand wrote:
ET: I'll examine C_C after I finish writing up and posting the case. Thanks for bringing that to our attention.

VE mentioned C_C that time
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2012 10:13 Blazinghand wrote:
Good evening gents! I'm currently putting together a 4-course meal today.
On the prix fixe menu today:

Amuse Bouche
cccalf

Entree
JW

Plats Principaux
ET
CC

Desserts
Voting someone



might've been me that time but u never posted anything about me after that, unless i missed it


In the former, I wasn't making a case on you.

In the latter, I was considering analyzing your posting, but did not. You'll note I didn't post anything about VE in the latter case either until he went mad with power.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5245 Posts
March 29 2012 04:55 GMT
#559
On March 29 2012 13:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm taking a look at the C_C wagon. At the very least 2 and probably more scum are on the wagon.

I have a sneaking suspicion that there is definitely 3 scum on the wagon.

wait lemme do the math

....

yeah there's at least 3 scum on the wagon.
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March 29 2012 04:56 GMT
#560
On March 29 2012 13:55 EchelonTee wrote:
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On March 29 2012 13:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm taking a look at the C_C wagon. At the very least 2 and probably more scum are on the wagon.

I have a sneaking suspicion that there is definitely 3 scum on the wagon.

wait lemme do the math

....

yeah there's at least 3 scum on the wagon.


In fact, unless you think I am scum (or claimed scum, heh) there is 4 scum on that wagon.
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