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On March 29 2012 13:54 Blazinghand wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 29 2012 13:50 EchelonTee wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 16:32 Blazinghand wrote:
ET: I'll examine C_C after I finish writing up and posting the case. Thanks for bringing that to our attention.
VE mentioned C_C that time Show nested quote +On March 28 2012 10:13 Blazinghand wrote:Good evening gents! I'm currently putting together a 4-course meal today. On the prix fixe menu today:
Amuse Bouche
cccalf
Entree
JW
Plats Principaux
ET
CC
Desserts
Voting someone
might've been me that time but u never posted anything about me after that, unless i missed it In the former, I wasn't making a case on you. In the latter, I was considering analyzing your posting, but did not. You'll note I didn't post anything about VE in the latter case either until he went mad with power.
ah ic. i wasn't accusing you of anything fyi, just wondering if you were mixing up our abbreviations.
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I understand that given my D1 lack of involvement that I am #1 on the town's "people to kill" list. Furthermore the ninja vote for C_C, who turned out to be innocent, certainly didn't make me look like a great guy. It was just following the bare minimums of the rules, which looks bad, but I swear this was due to RL time constraints.
Now that I have had time to do some investigating, I am certain that I'm not the only one with a really bad feeling about VE. He ran a hard "lynch C_C" campaign on D1.
On March 28 2012 15:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
Attention Non-Voters: Cyber_Cheese is the most pro-town, green imbuing lynch of the day. If you want to have lots and lots of town-cred, and be free of suspicion forever, Cyber_Cheese is the lynch candidate for you! No activity? No problem! Stop by and place your vote TODAY!
Turns out 12/14 voted incorrectly, but VE isn't bothered by it.
On March 29 2012 07:10 VisceraEyes wrote:
I don't regret killing him. I just wish he'd been more helpful.
He later changes his tone, but only slightly.
On March 29 2012 13:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
Sorry for being a bully guys, I'll try to stop. I make no guarantees.
I'm taking a look at the C_C wagon. At the very least 2 and probably more scum are on the wagon.
I know that I'm already a prime target, so I don't think I'm losing a friend by bringing this up, and certainly not hurting the town. VE ran a pretty vicious witch hunt, and will probably do the same again.
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VE who are you considering voting for today? After the campaign yesterday that is what I am most interested in hearing about today.
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On March 29 2012 12:08 EchelonTee wrote:
sloosh where u @? i need more ppl i recognize T_T
its 6am and my group is still working on a project T.T. I'll try to catch up and post tomorrow (or rather, this afternoon) after I've gotten some sleep and find some free time.
But yea there is no sense in holding back analysis and staying hush hush at night - I don't get why people would do that. Let's not waste time guys. Post!
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On March 29 2012 18:19 cccalf wrote:
I understand that given my D1 lack of involvement that I am #1 on the town's "people to kill" list. Furthermore the ninja vote for C_C, who turned out to be innocent, certainly didn't make me look like a great guy. It was just following the bare minimums of the rules, which looks bad, but I swear this was due to RL time constraints.
Had you even read the thread by that point? Why did you vote him and not another one?
Generally when one makes a placeholder vote, you make it on yourself or on a random person, which clearly wasn't the case.
What were your reasons for voting C_C? Just because he had the majority?
If so, can't you see how bad that is?
Now that I have had time to do some investigating, I am certain that I'm not the only one with a really bad feeling about VE. He ran a hard "lynch C_C" campaign on D1. Show nested quote +On March 28 2012 15:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
Attention Non-Voters: Cyber_Cheese is the most pro-town, green imbuing lynch of the day. If you want to have lots and lots of town-cred, and be free of suspicion forever, Cyber_Cheese is the lynch candidate for you! No activity? No problem! Stop by and place your vote TODAY! Turns out 12/14 voted incorrectly, but VE isn't bothered by it. Show nested quote +On March 29 2012 07:10 VisceraEyes wrote:
I don't regret killing him. I just wish he'd been more helpful. He later changes his tone, but only slightly. Show nested quote +On March 29 2012 13:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
Sorry for being a bully guys, I'll try to stop. I make no guarantees.
I'm taking a look at the C_C wagon. At the very least 2 and probably more scum are on the wagon.
I know that I'm already a prime target, so I don't think I'm losing a friend by bringing this up, and certainly not hurting the town. VE ran a pretty vicious witch hunt, and will probably do the same again.
So what do you think about other players and cases against other players? What do you think about my case against Blue and Zentor?
Final question: Why shouldn't a vig just shoot you tonight? You need to become way more active and contribute more than this if you want to even help us. You've already skated by 1 whole cycle, we can't allow you to do the same on D2.
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Blazinghand
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By the way, 3C, in case you haven't figured it out: you're already dead. If there's a vigi in this game, barring some horrible/lucky roleblock, he's already PMed the host and you're going to be shot at daybreak.
Between now and dawn, you have easily enough time to write some analysis and post it, or do something to help town before you're pushing up daisies. If you are town, this is what you need to do.
Your time left is limited. Use it to help town. If you're scum, well, then you might as well be silent, since you're dead anyways. Or you could take a gamble and hope that there aren't any vigis in a 10/4 closed setup.
Your call. But if by some stretch of logic, you're town, do what CC couldn't and be useful before you bite the dust.
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Blazinghand
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"damn BH you getting all harshies on trip c"
No, you're wrong, it is he who has been harsh on us with his travesty of a filter.
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C_C couldnt you at least have stopped trolling and stuff with your venn digrams and crap....
Also Im really sorry but some stuff came up today so I wont be able to post much (This is a one-time thing, wont happen again... I think).
ccalf, you still busy? Not done with your RL constraints yet?
I still dont think bluelightz is scum but I guess I will take a closer look tomorrow when I have more time. I didnt like froggy's posting earlier, though I need to take a look at his filter.
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People should stop talking to C_C, he's out of the game.
Am in class until an hour before deadline so hopefully will post my thoughts just before in case I yet again die N1.
@ BH: What should we do should if we don't have any Vigs? I feel like there are juicier scum targets than him. I guess he'll have 48hrs to defend himself.
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On March 29 2012 21:51 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2012 18:19 cccalf wrote:
I understand that given my D1 lack of involvement that I am #1 on the town's "people to kill" list. Furthermore the ninja vote for C_C, who turned out to be innocent, certainly didn't make me look like a great guy. It was just following the bare minimums of the rules, which looks bad, but I swear this was due to RL time constraints. Had you even read the thread by that point? Why did you vote him and not another one? Generally when one makes a placeholder vote, you make it on yourself or on a random person, which clearly wasn't the case. What were your reasons for voting C_C? Just because he had the majority? If so, can't you see how bad that is? Show nested quote +Now that I have had time to do some investigating, I am certain that I'm not the only one with a really bad feeling about VE. He ran a hard "lynch C_C" campaign on D1. On March 28 2012 15:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
Attention Non-Voters: Cyber_Cheese is the most pro-town, green imbuing lynch of the day. If you want to have lots and lots of town-cred, and be free of suspicion forever, Cyber_Cheese is the lynch candidate for you! No activity? No problem! Stop by and place your vote TODAY! Turns out 12/14 voted incorrectly, but VE isn't bothered by it. On March 29 2012 07:10 VisceraEyes wrote:
I don't regret killing him. I just wish he'd been more helpful. He later changes his tone, but only slightly. On March 29 2012 13:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
Sorry for being a bully guys, I'll try to stop. I make no guarantees.
I'm taking a look at the C_C wagon. At the very least 2 and probably more scum are on the wagon.
I know that I'm already a prime target, so I don't think I'm losing a friend by bringing this up, and certainly not hurting the town. VE ran a pretty vicious witch hunt, and will probably do the same again. So what do you think about other players and cases against other players? What do you think about my case against Blue and Zentor? Final question: Why shouldn't a vig just shoot you tonight? You need to become way more active and contribute more than this if you want to even help us. You've already skated by 1 whole cycle, we can't allow you to do the same on D2.
What case against me?
I wasn't aware of this injustice!
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Blazinghand
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On March 30 2012 00:15 froggynoddy wrote:
People should stop talking to C_C, he's out of the game.
Am in class until an hour before deadline so hopefully will post my thoughts just before in case I yet again die N1.
@ BH: What should we do should if we don't have any Vigs? I feel like there are juicier scum targets than him. I guess he'll have 48hrs to defend himself.
If right now D2 were coming to an end, my vote would be on 3C. I suspect he will post a great deal between now and the end of D2, though.
He better.
In the first game I played here on TL, Student Mafia, we made the mistake of having a day entirely without discussion since we thought a guy was "for sure" scum. It was an overwhelming wagon, and there was little to no discussion. We managed to recover from such an unproductive day, but we were lucky. Lynching someone without discussion, without dissent, is dangerous.
A day without discussion is a day that's bad for the town. Assuming that 3C isn't killed tonight, he is not "automatically" the lynch tomorrow. There are a number of things that should happen in the next 48 hours:
1) Some counter wagons should get started. People should formulate cases and try to scumhunt and lynch scum. This will help generate evidence and keep the town discussion going.
2) 3C will become more active, and post reads and push cases. If during Day 2 he does not do this, he will certainly be lynched. He can't really "defend" himself since he didn't do anything Day 1. Regardless of the truth of the matter, he'll say "Sorry, I was busy." Statements like that are completely meaningless to me, because that is what scum or town would say. The only defense he can make is to be an asset to the town.
3) Both #1 and #2 will generate discussion. 3C is not an autolynch tomorrow.
I do not believe in autolynches.
I believe in arguing and finding the truth via discussion. Should I come to believe 3C is town (and I do not currently believe this to be the case), I will argue to defend him even if I am the only one doing so. The only thing that matters is that town players be fearless, perceptive, and willing to discuss and argue. It is for this reason that I found VE's terror tactics abhorrent and it is for this reason that I will argue my cases and push my reads regardless of what people say about me.
It is the only way to play and find Truth.
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I can assure you that your time should be better spent on people other than me c^3. Site meta dictates that I'll probably be shot tonight, and common sense says that you'll probably be shot tonight. Any time spent analyzing whether or not I was maliciously manipulating town yesterday is likely completely wasted.
Just FYI
Do something useful.
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Blazinghand
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I'm absolutely certain you won't eat a vig bullet tonight VE. The difference between you and 3C is that a 3C lynch would have some serious issues generating the sort of discussion that's useful for finding scumleads. The case on him currently is "this guy is literally lurking as hard as possible without being modkilled" which doesn't lead to a good wagon discussion. The case on you is more complex and will force people into camps.
A D2 in which we discuss a VE lynch (or really any lynch but a 3C lynch) is a D2 that generates tons of evidence, with a chance of lynching scum. A D2 in which we discuss a 3C lynch does not generate nearly as much evidence (at least, not so far, given 3C's filter).
This could change if 3C steps up his game, but as it stands, a reasonable vigi who suspects both VE and 3C of being scum would shoot 3C.
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On March 30 2012 01:51 VisceraEyes wrote:
I can assure you that your time should be better spent on people other than me c^3. Site meta dictates that I'll probably be shot tonight, and common sense says that you'll probably be shot tonight. Any time spent analyzing whether or not I was maliciously manipulating town yesterday is likely completely wasted.
Just FYI
Do something useful.
Why is such discussion / analysis wasted? How can you be so sure you will get shot, and if you are why aren't you spending the rest of this night fleshing out your reads?
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Blazinghand
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On March 30 2012 01:59 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2012 01:51 VisceraEyes wrote:
I can assure you that your time should be better spent on people other than me c^3. Site meta dictates that I'll probably be shot tonight, and common sense says that you'll probably be shot tonight. Any time spent analyzing whether or not I was maliciously manipulating town yesterday is likely completely wasted.
Just FYI
Do something useful. Why is such discussion / analysis wasted? How can you be so sure you will get shot, and if you are why aren't you spending the rest of this night fleshing out your reads?
Also this.
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On March 29 2012 22:47 zelblade wrote:
I still dont think bluelightz is scum but I guess I will take a closer look tomorrow when I have more time. I didnt like froggy's posting earlier, though I need to take a look at his filter.
Who is this addressing and why did you post this?
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I mean scum will likely kill me - because I'm one of the only "veterans" in the game.
And I've already said - my full thoughts are going to come closer to deadline.
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Although I find it very interesting BH that 'vigs' was the only option you considered when I said 'shot'...seems to me like if you were town the thought of scum shooting someone would be keenly on your mind.
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Blazinghand
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Rofl VE you're an utterly worthless townie with literally no credit. Why would scum shoot you?
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