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Labour could re-nationalise the railways if it wins power at the next election, the party's shadow transport secretary has said.
In the strongest indication yet that Labour could take some lines back into public ownership, Maria Eagle told The Huffington Post UK there was an "opportunity" post-2015 to run lines on a "not for private profit basis". She also revealed proposals to rebrand the entire national inter-city network under one name and plans to include the cost of station car parking within a fare cap.
Eagle gave strong backing to the controversial HS2 rail line but warned there was no "blank cheque" for the project.
And ahead of the Labour Party conference in Brighton this weekend, she defended Ed Miliband following a summer of criticism from Labour figures, arguing the party was in "a good position" to win the next election.
In the interview with HuffPost UK, Eagle pointed to the East Coast line, which was nationalised in 2009, as a model of how a state-run railway line could function.
"The way the East Coast services have been run over the last four years can point the way to a different future for our railways," Eagle said.
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On September 20 2013 09:07 Zaros wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2013 08:58 GhastlyUprising wrote:
About these absurd calls to privatize children's education. We tried that prior to 1870 and it didn't work so well. Just who the hell do you Tories think you are, and where did you get the idea that you have a mandate for these things? You don't even have a majority in the current government, yet you propose some of the most radical reforms in British history. One is reminded of the attitudes and the propaganda of the other right-wing, revolutionary party that took Europe by storm by tapping into the fear and the desperation that came in a time of hardship. I think i'm the only one who called to privatise childrens education and i'm definitely not a Tory, and now isn't 1870 the income of the average and poorest people is much much higher, we also have a welfare state, people would be able to afford it assuming taxes were reduced corresponding with the £90 billion in education costs. Also pre 1870 got us to 1870 inventing the industrialised world etc. and children were still widely educated especially by the church. I don't really care what majority there is or isn't I and everyone are free to believe and want whatever they wish, and if ur talking about the nazis that took europe by storm then a) I will invoke godwin's rule and b) they were left-wing not right-wing, clue in the name being national socialists. Yes, right. So even though lots of people are living on the breadline and can just barely afford the cost of food, housing, gas and electricity, you think they'd have no trouble paying for education as well.
That is the opinion of a zealot who would take us back to the conditions of the 19th century.
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Is the Conservative Party approved by many nowadays? What I don't like about them is the constant trash talk against EU and also their way of trying to look down on Bulgarian immigration.
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On September 20 2013 09:16 GhastlyUprising wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2013 09:07 Zaros wrote:On September 20 2013 08:58 GhastlyUprising wrote:
About these absurd calls to privatize children's education. We tried that prior to 1870 and it didn't work so well. Just who the hell do you Tories think you are, and where did you get the idea that you have a mandate for these things? You don't even have a majority in the current government, yet you propose some of the most radical reforms in British history. One is reminded of the attitudes and the propaganda of the other right-wing, revolutionary party that took Europe by storm by tapping into the fear and the desperation that came in a time of hardship. I think i'm the only one who called to privatise childrens education and i'm definitely not a Tory, and now isn't 1870 the income of the average and poorest people is much much higher, we also have a welfare state, people would be able to afford it assuming taxes were reduced corresponding with the £90 billion in education costs. Also pre 1870 got us to 1870 inventing the industrialised world etc. and children were still widely educated especially by the church. I don't really care what majority there is or isn't I and everyone are free to believe and want whatever they wish, and if ur talking about the nazis that took europe by storm then a) I will invoke godwin's rule and b) they were left-wing not right-wing, clue in the name being national socialists. Yes, right. So even though lots of people are living on the breadline and can just barely afford the cost of food, housing, gas and electricity, you think they'd have no trouble paying for education as well. That is the opinion of a zealot who would take us back to the conditions of the 19th century.
I'm not advocated privatising education in an isolated sphere, that indeed would be stupid, yes private education costs would largely fall but that still probably wouldn't be enough, a reduction in tax would be needed as well to give back people money which they can then choose to spend on education. Getting rid of VAT and national insurance would be good choices.
This also explains why im not a tory or wanting to go back in the past: http://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/articles/hayek-why-i-am-not-conservative.pdf
On September 20 2013 09:35 darkness wrote:
Is the Conservative Party approved by many nowadays? What I don't like about them is the constant trash talk against EU and also their way of trying to look down on Bulgarian immigration.
They get around 36% of the vote share in polls atm, and its mainly UKIP that is trashing Bulgarian immigration which I agree is ugly. As for the EU most people think it is bad for the UK which I have to agree with except in trade and immigration.
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What do you exactly not like about the European Union? As far as I know, Germany doesn't officially complain but Brits do. I wonder why there is a difference. You're both top EU countries with immigrants. 
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On September 20 2013 09:43 darkness wrote:What do you exactly not like about the European Union? As far as I know, Germany doesn't officially complain but Brits do. I wonder why there is a difference. You're both top EU countries with immigrants.
Germany has plenty of war guilt still which i suspect is behind them not complaining and they have done pretty well from the Euro having a lower exchange rate than they otherwise would have.
For most people in the UK they don't like the EU because of regulation, tax and law making plus that the EU wants to make all members become one country, when most people of Britain only want to trade and travel. Some people don't like the immigration but i think that is a fear thing with the economic crises and a failure of any politicians with positive messages on that front.
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On September 20 2013 09:36 Zaros wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2013 09:16 GhastlyUprising wrote:On September 20 2013 09:07 Zaros wrote:On September 20 2013 08:58 GhastlyUprising wrote:
About these absurd calls to privatize children's education. We tried that prior to 1870 and it didn't work so well. Just who the hell do you Tories think you are, and where did you get the idea that you have a mandate for these things? You don't even have a majority in the current government, yet you propose some of the most radical reforms in British history. One is reminded of the attitudes and the propaganda of the other right-wing, revolutionary party that took Europe by storm by tapping into the fear and the desperation that came in a time of hardship. I think i'm the only one who called to privatise childrens education and i'm definitely not a Tory, and now isn't 1870 the income of the average and poorest people is much much higher, we also have a welfare state, people would be able to afford it assuming taxes were reduced corresponding with the £90 billion in education costs. Also pre 1870 got us to 1870 inventing the industrialised world etc. and children were still widely educated especially by the church. I don't really care what majority there is or isn't I and everyone are free to believe and want whatever they wish, and if ur talking about the nazis that took europe by storm then a) I will invoke godwin's rule and b) they were left-wing not right-wing, clue in the name being national socialists. Yes, right. So even though lots of people are living on the breadline and can just barely afford the cost of food, housing, gas and electricity, you think they'd have no trouble paying for education as well. That is the opinion of a zealot who would take us back to the conditions of the 19th century. I'm not advocated privatising education in an isolated sphere, that indeed would be stupid, yes private education costs would largely fall but that still probably wouldn't be enough, a reduction in tax would be needed as well to give back people money which they can then choose to spend on education. Getting rid of VAT and national insurance would be good choices. This also explains why im not a tory or wanting to go back in the past: http://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/articles/hayek-why-i-am-not-conservative.pdf Right...the Cato Institute claiming to not be right-wing. That's a good one.
Do you think it's a desirable state of affairs to have a two-tier class system whereby people with more money can afford better education, whereas those on low incomes have to settle for the cheap stuff? And the better education enables more money, which can purchase the better education? And the businesses in charge of the education can hold the futures of children to ransom?
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On September 20 2013 09:47 Zaros wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2013 09:43 darkness wrote:What do you exactly not like about the European Union? As far as I know, Germany doesn't officially complain but Brits do. I wonder why there is a difference. You're both top EU countries with immigrants. Germany has plenty of war guilt still which i suspect is behind them not complaining and they have done pretty well from the Euro having a lower exchange rate than they otherwise would have. For most people in the UK they don't like the EU because of regulation, tax and law making plus that the EU wants to make all members become one country, when most people of Britain only want to trade and travel. Some people don't like the immigration but i think that is a fear thing with the economic crises and a failure of any politicians with positive messages on that front.
Right, thanks for answer. Well, I guess EU can't be all about benefits such as travel and trade. There are downsides too.
Anyway, how many parties do you officially have? I know the main ones - UKIP, Conservatives, Liberal Democrats and Labours. On the other hand, Bulgaria had about 44-46 parties and coalitions during elections which is too many considering we're not more than 7 million. If you have less than that which I'm sure of, how do you cap the number over there?
Also, how do you elect judiciary and make it really work? In comparison to Bulgaria, politicians elect members of judiciary but they are believed to be heavily biased towards certain political parties. Hence, no convicted minister in my country... yet. I feel like if we fix that, we'd be a much better country.
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On September 20 2013 09:47 Zaros wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2013 09:43 darkness wrote:What do you exactly not like about the European Union? As far as I know, Germany doesn't officially complain but Brits do. I wonder why there is a difference. You're both top EU countries with immigrants. Germany has plenty of war guilt still which i suspect is behind them not complaining and they have done pretty well from the Euro having a lower exchange rate than they otherwise would have. For most people in the UK they don't like the EU because of regulation, tax and law making plus that the EU wants to make all members become one country, when most people of Britain only want to trade and travel. Some people don't like the immigration but i think that is a fear thing with the economic crises and a failure of any politicians with positive messages on that front.
And there is alot of complaining about immigrants from Romania and Bulgaria in Germany. There was even talk of controlling our borders again to restrict the immigration from these countries.
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On September 20 2013 19:00 Yuljan wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2013 09:47 Zaros wrote:On September 20 2013 09:43 darkness wrote:What do you exactly not like about the European Union? As far as I know, Germany doesn't officially complain but Brits do. I wonder why there is a difference. You're both top EU countries with immigrants. Germany has plenty of war guilt still which i suspect is behind them not complaining and they have done pretty well from the Euro having a lower exchange rate than they otherwise would have. For most people in the UK they don't like the EU because of regulation, tax and law making plus that the EU wants to make all members become one country, when most people of Britain only want to trade and travel. Some people don't like the immigration but i think that is a fear thing with the economic crises and a failure of any politicians with positive messages on that front. And there is alot of complaining about immigrants from Romania and Bulgaria in Germany. There was even talk of controlling our borders again to restrict the immigration from these countries.
Don't hate the player hate the game. Instead of restricting any country in some way, just ask EU not to provide many benefits to immigrants. At the same time reward working immigrants that are useful. It's very simple, yet no one tries to do that and instead jumps on the whine wagon.
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On September 20 2013 22:43 darkness wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2013 19:00 Yuljan wrote:On September 20 2013 09:47 Zaros wrote:On September 20 2013 09:43 darkness wrote:What do you exactly not like about the European Union? As far as I know, Germany doesn't officially complain but Brits do. I wonder why there is a difference. You're both top EU countries with immigrants. Germany has plenty of war guilt still which i suspect is behind them not complaining and they have done pretty well from the Euro having a lower exchange rate than they otherwise would have. For most people in the UK they don't like the EU because of regulation, tax and law making plus that the EU wants to make all members become one country, when most people of Britain only want to trade and travel. Some people don't like the immigration but i think that is a fear thing with the economic crises and a failure of any politicians with positive messages on that front. And there is alot of complaining about immigrants from Romania and Bulgaria in Germany. There was even talk of controlling our borders again to restrict the immigration from these countries. Don't hate the player hate the game. Instead of restricting any country in some way, just ask EU not to provide many benefits to immigrants. At the same time reward working immigrants that are useful. It's very simple, yet no one tries to do that and instead jumps on the whine wagon. Benefits is not the main concern. Immigrants from the EU already pay for themselves financially. The problem is that they greatly increase short-term pressure on jobs while consuming hundreds of thousands of social houses. At the very least the people of this country should be able to vote on whether they want to allow this state of affairs to continue.
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Ukip must brace itself for "a whole lot of smears" and "serious criticism" as it warns that Britain will face a worsening Romanian crime wave next year, Nigel Farage has said.
Speaking at the party's autumn conference, the Ukip leader said the issue of immigration from new EU countries would dominate the political agenda in 2014.
He challenged David Cameron to address the "darker side to the opening of the door in January" or face voters turning to Ukip in the European elections because of dissatisfaction with Brussels.
"The campaign will be dominated by open-door immigration to eastern Europe," he said. "If the coalition wants to save their electoral skins they must, before 1 January, tell Brussels that we will not unconditionally open our door to Bulgaria and Romania.
"That is my challenge to them. If they ignore it then we must turn the Euro elections into the referendum that we have not been given."
Acknowledging he could be "seriously criticised" over the issue, Farage claimed that London is "already experiencing a Romanian crime wave".
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To be fair its far better that the UKIP is almost openly raceist and actualy talking about the bad sides of good things happening instead of the shitshow that goes on in america with normal people becoming racists by not trying to be racists.
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On September 21 2013 00:16 Sermokala wrote:
To be fair its far better that the UKIP is almost openly raceist and actualy talking about the bad sides of good things happening instead of the shitshow that goes on in america with normal people becoming racists by not trying to be racists. You're simply wrong. Even that international bastion of political correctness, the Guardian, doesn't claim that the UKIP is "almost openly racist".
I suggest you refrain from making extreme statements about another country's politics when you quite clearly don't have the first clue what you're talking about.
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UKIP is very deliberately not openly racist.
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UKIP stands for one main policy, exiting the EU and that is not racist in the slightest. Of course some members may well be but that is not a reflection of the party.
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Discussions on this thread would be so much more cordial without GhastlyUprising stumbling about, attacking straw men and insulting any who disagree with him.
On another note, I am all for the EU, we have benefited significantly from free trade and the free movement of labour. Did you know the UK was one of only three countries which allowed complete free movement of citizens of the the EU within the first year that the eastern European countries acceeded?
Further integration with the EU needs to be explored, I am of the opinion that if we were to refuse more involvement, we would marginalise ourselves, reducing our political clout across the world. I don't think full integration would work, though fiscal union within the eurozone economies would be one way to resolve their internal imbalances.
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Quite an eventful day today, Brown vs Blair wars thrown back into the public sphere even Tessa Jowell attacking Ed Miliband, then the laughable UKIP conference with Godfrey Bloom who I struggle to believe is actually a real person, couldn't really have had a better UKIP conference for David Cameron or a worse start for the Labour Conference.
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On September 21 2013 03:37 olias wrote:
Discussions on this thread would be so much more cordial without GhastlyUprising stumbling about, attacking straw men and insulting any who disagree with him. The guy who accused me of being from the "lower classes" is back and he wants cordial discussion!
He has the cheek to complain about strawman, yet takes offence presumably over my comment about the ignorance of accusing the UKIP of being an openly racist party. The UKIP, openly racist. How big a strawman is that?
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