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On May 08 2013 21:58 kushm4sta wrote:
palmar the thing is, your reason for thinking yamato is scum is even worse than his reason for thinking you were scum.
He thinks you are scum therefore he must die? Are you kidding me? How fucking arrogant can you be bro?
You do not look super town this game at all. I know you think you are the mafia bomb because of
"your play d1 and your ability to influence the game"
(which you brag about every fucking game btw) but you have not been a positive force on this game at all.
I think there is a very good chance you are scum. After Hopeless and BC you are the next scummiest.
All you do this game is call people terrible... seriously that is unacceptable hypocritical flaming but you do it constantly.
I actually would lynch you purely for punishment at this point. Town can take more potentnial mislynches if necessary. we are winning. Maybe kill 1 scum first then kill palmar for punishment?
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On May 08 2013 21:58 kushm4sta wrote:
palmar the thing is, your reason for thinking yamato is scum is even worse than his reason for thinking you were scum.
He thinks you are scum therefore he must die? Are you kidding me? How fucking arrogant can you be bro?
You do not look super town this game at all. I know you think you are the mafia bomb because of
"your play d1 and your ability to influence the game"
(which you brag about every fucking game btw) but you have not been a positive force on this game at all.
I think there is a very good chance you are scum. After Hopeless and BC you are the next scummiest.
All you do this game is call people terrible... seriously that is unacceptable hypocritical flaming but you do it constantly.
I actually would lynch you purely for punishment at this point. Town can take more potentnial mislynches if necessary. we are winning. Maybe kill 1 scum first then kill palmar for punishment?
I fail.
LETS TRY THAT AGAIN
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On May 08 2013 21:58 kushm4sta wrote:
palmar the thing is, your reason for thinking yamato is scum is even worse than his reason for thinking you were scum.
He thinks you are scum therefore he must die? Are you kidding me? How fucking arrogant can you be bro?
You do not look super town this game at all.
I know I don't look like super town, are you not reading the game? That's why I'm specifically trying to explain to people why I am not scum, if I thought I looked super town, I would not bother with it, get that?
And again, are you not reading the game, I have no problem with people calling me scum, it's because yamato conclusively, and even admitted himself, that he had no reason to call me scum, that's what bothers me.
I want reasons, I asked him for reasons, I pulled his own quotes and presented them to him, and asked him what had changed. I'm not being arrogant, that's the last thing I can be this game, I'm being transparent and helpful. But I really don't understand why people keep trying to call me scum without providing any reasons for it.
I did not think yamato was scum because he thought I was scum (although I do admit, I'm very prone to that when I'm town). I thought yamato was scum because he was trying to lynch me based on nothing. Did you read his quote about why BC is town? That's not even half-assed reasoning.
On May 08 2013 21:58 kushm4sta wrote:
I know you think you are the mafia bomb because of "your play d1 and your ability to influence the game"
(which you brag about every fucking game btw) but you have not been a positive force on this game at all.
I think there is a very good chance you are scum. After Hopeless and BC you are the next scummiest.
All you do this game is call people terrible... seriously that is unacceptable hypocritical flaming but you do it constantly.
In the context I used it this game I was actually trying to explain that I'm not that good at later in the game or with roles, but if it makes you feel better you can take it whatever way you want. It's been repeatedly shown that I'm generally not that great in later days of mafia, because I start lynching people that disagree with me or call me scum. I don't like being called scum when I'm town.
Not to mention this is false, again, you're not reading the game. I've called WoS awful or mafia, and I called BC's day 1 play awful, I don't think I've attacked anyone else in that way. I did call yamato's reasoning terrible, but that's not saying he's terrible, it's pointing out to him that he doesn't have a case.
Please show me all this hypocritical flaming.
On May 08 2013 21:58 kushm4sta wrote:
I actually would lynch you purely for punishment at this point. Town can take more potentnial mislynches if necessary. we are winning. Maybe kill 1 scum first then kill palmar for punishment?
If we kill one scum first I probably don't care, so sure.
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On May 01 2013 03:57 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 18:24 Palmar wrote:On April 23 2013 17:52 Clarity_nl wrote:
I wouldn't lynch him right now, no. Would want to hear from him first.
Don't have many full fledged opinions yet, but the people I was gonna look into next (that being tonight, have work soon) were gonna be giygas, bc and shiaopi (mainly because I don't remember much of them from reading through the thread) sup scum This one is a point FOR town Palmar becuase I can't see them making the decision to bus Clarity this early when he was actually active, unless they realized his play was so shitty he'd be going down immediately.
Yep, it's a point for town me because you know.. I'm town. Generally townies do townie things.
On May 01 2013 03:57 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 04:05 Palmar wrote:On April 26 2013 03:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Here's how i see things:
Vivax was shot because he was on the right track and town read for like everyone. This means probably at least one of ShiaoPi / Clarity is mafia. If Vivax was double stacked he was likely even more right in his reads. But i don't think this is the case here. It's clear that whoever jailed Palmar thought he was town. Town jailers do not jail offensively and mafia jailers do not jail defensively on N1. As there is no other flip than Vivax' it's highly likely that Palmar was shot, because i can't see who else scum would have shot over him. I'm not even going to go to the fact that this would also require a doctor to target the same (other than Palmar) target.
So unless someone else claims shot / roleblocked it's very likely that Palmar got shot and is town.
I don't like ShiaoPi lynch because it was brought up by VE who i think is scum. If Vivax was right on both of ShiaoPi/Clarity then it doesn't matter, but if one of them is town it's probably ShiaoPi. As i think Palmar is town, i do not think he is wrong about VE. But if VE is not gonna get lynched today, i'm going to vote for Clarity over ShiaoPi.
Now, you want to bring up an entirely different target in BC. Understandable, as you seem to think he is mafia. But you also bring up reasons why ShiaoPi/Clarity might be town. That is something i do not understand. If you think BC is better lynch than them, fine, push his lynch. But the way to do it is not by discrediting other people's cases unless you actually think they are town, which you don't seem to. Agree with everything, especially that ShiaoPi is probably town and Clarity is probably scum. Here his agreement with Rayn puts VE in the position he is in if scum. The bus is more likely to have begun here, but can't be sure of stuff yet. VE was looking scummy earlier on in the game to be fair to Palmar,but he was not a likely lynch that day. The push onto VE overall though looks really bad since trying to push a 3rd possibly-town wagon when two scum are up for lynch...well......
Yeah, I thought VE was scum, and you agree he looked bad early. I still thought he was scum by this day, and by extension I gave shiaopi a probably town read, not a big deal. I can't be right on everything, and very often I miss under-the-radar scum. I like lynching VE, and I was willing to throw my weight behind a clarity lynch too.
On May 01 2013 03:57 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 18:58 Palmar wrote:
Still think VE is the best lynch.
But I do agree with a clarity lynch. I still don't understand how he entered the thread "catching up" and then had a fully fledged case within an hour. There was additionally no interest in pushing that lynch any harder. There is literally not a single "sharrant" in his filter after the case.
It just doesn't feel natural. He didn't ask Sharrant anything to try to determine his alignment, no "hey sharrant, explain this" or "what do you think about this". Just a straight up case with no build-up and no follow-up. Which basically tells me his heart wasn't really in it.
So with that I'm switching my vote to Clarity.
Lessgo.
This looks like the post where scum Palmar realizes his push is a bad idea.
No, this is the post where I agree that Clarity lynch is a good one and since I have a very strong case on him (the same reason I said "sup scum" to him on day 1, just articulated).
Think about it for a little while, if I'm scum palmar wouldn't I try to extract every little ounce of town-cred out of the clarity lynch? why would I bother with saying I still wanted to lynch VE? The truth is I thought VE was scum. I still think he was playing strange, but obviously his relative lack of leadership may have been, just like mine, based on his role. Do you think there is a hole in my reasoning for killing Clarity? Do you think this is fabricated evidence? Was it not new to the thread at the time I wrote it? Especially the part where I analyse his follow-up.
On May 01 2013 03:57 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2013 05:56 Palmar wrote:
yeah he didn't say anything interesting and wanted me to put into effort of reading someone I didn't want to read at the time so I had no interest in the topic and consequently forgot about it. On the topic of the TRN Mason QT. Says he forgot about it his story is somewhat corroborated by TRN...though I can't understand why you wouldn't interact at all with your masoner unless you worried about them picking up a read on you. The fact that Palmar uses the fact that TRN masoned him as evidence as to his towniness reads to me that he has no idea about TRN's play or the fact that he is new at the game (I picked him as town ages ago, I'm fairly sure others have as well) and so is worried about the potential for TRN outing him as scum when in fact TRN's chances of doing so as being new to Palmar's play are probably low.
I'm not great at playing scum, one of my biggest strengths however is PM games. I've found most of my success where I can get intimate (hehe) with people in private. You're just going to have to take my word for this, but I honestly forgot about the mason thing. I was not very active on day 2, and TRN refused to explain why he picked me to be in the Mason QT, so I lost interest, leading to me forgetting it.
I don't see how you can draw any alignment conclusive the fact I didn't really talk to TRN. Maybe we just don't work well together. He wanted to talk about topics I wasn't interested in at the time etc.
On May 01 2013 03:57 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2013 06:00 Palmar wrote:On April 29 2013 05:56 Sharrant wrote:On April 29 2013 05:55 TheRavensName wrote:On April 29 2013 05:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
TRN can you post the logs? I was told that is against the rules. How many posts did Palmar make? Can you please paraphrase as best you can as to his actual respones, with as little as bias as possible. 3 posts (cba checking) 1 about asking TRN why he chose me and what he hoped to achieve. 2 saying I wanted to lynch VE and hadn't read into WoS 3 the post TRN mentioned about "oats was always going to flip town". SO here he mentions I was the one TRN brought up that he didn't feel like looking into. Ok, I get that, but just the day before he says this: Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 04:06 Palmar wrote:
Also I haven't really read much today because I think it's so blindingly obvious we should lynch VE, but if no one else has brought it up, I have very bad feelings about WaveOfShadow based on what I had read up until like 10 pages ago. Wouldn't this make me a suspect of his and someone he's likely to have read? Especially since I'm pretty sure I claimed miller before TRN's mason time ended and was super high on EVERYONE's suspicion list.
as far as I understood the mason topic lasted 72 hours, and I think those were up.
And yeah, you were at the time firmly in my scum/null group, but I wasn't really pursuing it at the time. I think I was pretty involved during the night you claimed miller, and if I recall correctly, I realized that your claim made sense and looked genuine. Now put yourself in scum-palmar's shoes. You basically have what equals to a guilty cop-check on your head and I could tunnel that until you die, hell I even gave you some shit for not being super-townie since you were a self-aware miller (though I do very much agree with your play of not claiming it at the start).
But no, because I'm not actually scum, I just stepped back, looked at how you claimed and how you reacted to the pressure and decided you were town. I actually did the same thing yesterday, but yamato self-hammered in rage after quoting a post of mine where I was basically considering waffling on his lynch.
On May 01 2013 03:57 WaveofShadow wrote:
Palmar then begins to buddy up to his previous scumread in VE to try and get BC lynched. Presumably this is due to his N1 and N2 checks, which makes sense and is a point for Palmar having told the truth. (The long con is definitely possible, but is that likely to Palmar's scumplay? I don't know him that well.)
Thanks for making my case for me, the reason my narrative makes sense is that it is 100% true. I told the same thing to yamato.
On May 01 2013 03:57 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2013 09:48 Palmar wrote:On April 29 2013 09:36 TheRavensName wrote:On April 29 2013 09:27 Palmar wrote:
Look at this bloodycobbler actively hunting third parties everywhere!
Also BC, did you ever explain why it would be a better idea to vig me than to lynch me? Personally I think that would be a waste of a shot since you have night protection. I did not ask you, I wanted BC's explanation for his statement. It's one of his slips this game. He called out for a player that he knew could be active, had the support of several important townies, to be vigged.I wonder if he was simply afraid that he would never be able to mislynch me? I called Palmar out for this earlier and he never responded; which important townies had Palmar's back at this point? I didn't count many despite his crusade for action against 'the cobbler.'
mostly reyn, who was playing a pretty damn baller town game. at the time, if I recall correctly, thread sentiment was pretty favorable to me. I cba going back and finding out exactly who I had in mind.
On May 01 2013 03:57 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2013 10:34 Palmar wrote:On April 29 2013 10:31 Ace wrote:
no, we aren't lynching syl. There is stupidity going on right now.
CC - I dont know why you checked Shiao Night 1. That is a major stretch that you check him, he gets brought up, temp cleared, and then you check sylencia. thats 2 lurkers who have no impact on the game that you checked. not buying it. especially since you just claimed, without counter claiming Palmar. If you believe Palmar is a Cop there is no point in claiming right now as you'd let BC die with your vote. If you dont believe him, you vote him off. Claiming right now to add another suspect in the pool is nonsense. its not even been an hour since your case on sylencia - you could have pushed it ot let it marinate more. Your urgency shows little thinking here.
Lastly, you also can not confirm your check. Shiao hasn't flipped. We've got 2 Cops, both unconfirmed claiming results on the same day within an hour of each other. Both that also appeared on the infamous Oats wagon analysis.
bullshit. one of you is definitely lying and both of you made a bad play here. lol Ace we ARE lynching sylencia. absolute worst case scenario is CC is scum and we lynch townies for 2 days before lynching or vigging CC in return, leaving us with plenty of townies and like 2 mafia left. something like 11 townies maybe? You're crazy if you don't lynch sylencia. I REALLY didn't like this post at the time. We know there's 3rd party and 3 scum left here so we certainly did not have 'plenty of townies.' Everything he says about being a cop though isn't provable one way or the other as of yet at this point; the rb and his checks check out. I don't know I don't like the idea that he making mislynches feel better than they actually would have been but it's such a scummy thing to post knowing the math that I don't see scum doing it.
Again, thanks for making my case for me. Most importantly here is my belief that CC was town, I was almost certain that his claim was true, and I think I never had any scumvibes in the game for him, so to me I was pretty sure we'd either get a scumlynch or a lurkerlynch->scumlynch (which is what happened).
Remember, scumpalmar would've KNOWN that shiaopi was scum, so your theory of multiple mislynches makes no sense if I'm scum.
On May 01 2013 03:57 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2013 10:53 Palmar wrote:On April 29 2013 10:49 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I wouldn't have claimed if Palmar didn't go full retard and give us a red check without any prior checks. The situation could have turned out STUPID bad if BC was town and Palmar was actually insane cop, hedging his bets on being sane. But I like killing people so I get excited. Anyway, it's irrelevant. I had you as town read for most of the game, I've usually thought of you as nully to leaning town, and then you of course went and looked real town with grush after that hammer post. So, I don't think you're scum, which basically means I'm pretty cool with killing sylencia as he looks awful anyway, and shaiopi looks somewhat towny. Well knowing what we know now.... I don't if anything can be said about this since everyone more or less agreed Sylencia didn't look great, but to say Shiao looked TOWNY is a GROSS overstatement. I also remember asking at some point whoever found Shiao towny, WHY did they think so and no one ever answered. Hmm.
The point here is, scumpalmar knows that sylencia flips green, and town immediately lynches shiaopi. Yes, I was wrong on shiaopi, but if I was scum, why would I bother calling someone from the scumteam who was about to be confirmed scum because of the lynch I was pushing (sylencia) town? It makes absolutely no sense.
On May 01 2013 03:57 WaveofShadow wrote:
Alright sadly I don't have much to conclude about this case. Imo the scum points outweigh the town points just based on his filter and he's had a cba attitude for much of the game. We can't even discern his alignment based on his checks either because he didn't follow the plan which looks scummy as well. If he is telling thr truth he must be either paranoid or insane (which would make him exactly the same as CC? Same role AND same alignment? Unlikely imo....) and if he's paranoid he's more or less useless, no? I dunno guys, help me out.
I'm leaning scum overall but we have nother night of NKs ahead of us before we must act.
The reason you can't conclude anything is that I'm not scum. I haven't done anything objectively scummy, I've made a few bad calls (VE scum, Shiaopi maybe town, yamato OMGUS, Role botch) and a few okay ones (rayn town, grush town, clarity scum etc).
You want to lynch me because you think I'm a dick, which towards you I guess I somewhat have been. I just got annoyed when you wrote a case where you in multiple cases concluded that my story makes sense, or that what I did makes sense from a town standpoint and yet you come away thinking I'm scum.
People have been doing this throughout this entire game. BC calling to vig me for no reason, yamato calling me scum because why not, sharrant trying to lynch me for botching my role (non-alignment indicative), Ace wanting to lynch me for claiming cop and you making a case that is probably a better case for town-palmar than scum-palmar and yet saying I'm scum for god-knows what reason.
It's annoying and frustrating to repeatedly have to swat down cases that seem to be written backwards (palmar is scum and I must find the reason why), because they're so lacking in evidence.
So please, explain to me why you still think I'm scum.
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Aw, here you go and actually put effort into something...I was so set to troll the rest of the night too.
I don't understand how you can exude such an attitude of complete confidence despite your performance this game; it's that arrogance that kush outlined that absolutely infuriates me, including your propensity to compltely ignore or shrug off those points from people you deem 'terrible' and either not worth your time or not worth listening to. (This may just be referring to me in this case, but it's an attitude I see from a few players on mafia, BC included. Ace appears to be an exception.)
Despite the fact that you see me and my cases as terrible, I've been right about quite a few things this game (though nobody appears to acknowledge this---yet you're constantly bringing up things YOU were right about), and I also know who the JK is, and have for a little while now. There are many things that I have contributed that simply get bypassed because my way of figuring out the game doesn't fit within the brackets of what you would determine to be 'good play' yet apparently achieves the same result (or in this case, BETTER results if people ever listened to me).
I was unsure about your case originally when I wrote it, but if you'd read it wasn't necessarily a case to get you lynched, it was merely a summation of my thoughts on you, some points and counterpoints, and then I literally said "I dunno guys, help me out." AND NOBODY DID. Town is a team, and no one can be sure of their own cases/reads all of the time, not even you, yet many people treat their reads as G-d's word to fucking Moses. It was an opening for you or anyone else to say: "your case is shit and here's why." "Or I agree for such and such reasons" But nobody did so I was left with my own thoughts echoing in my head.
I'm going to wipe all bias I have clean when I look into you over the next little bit, just as I did the first time. If you ignore it then despite what I find I will be pushing for your lynch tomorrow as I will therefore not be seeing you as an asset to town alive, only through the information gleaned by your death. Whether or not people listen to me on that will not matter to me. Whether or not you feel threatened by this does not matter to me. If you, or other people respond, perhaps we can actually begin to solve this game properly.
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The night ends in just over 2 hours. Make sure to get actions in to me by then!
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Palmar:
I'm probably not going to be able to finish my read by the deadline, but that doesn't concern me because neither of us are dying tonight. I'm also curious as to whether or not you're ACTUALLY going to check me tonight because you haven't really listened to other's plans for your checks this game. If you do, I believe I know exactly what result you will be getting for reasons I will eventually outline.
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WoS, I was not interested in commenting on the thoughts at that time because I didn't want either Palmar or BC lynched yesterday. I also won't comment on it until night ends. I highly doubt anyone but the JK will die, but in case I randomly get shot, just sheep BM yo. He handsome~
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On May 09 2013 01:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
Aw, here you go and actually put effort into something...I was so set to troll the rest of the night too.
I don't understand how you can exude such an attitude of complete confidence despite your performance this game; it's that arrogance that kush outlined that absolutely infuriates me, including your propensity to compltely ignore or shrug off those points from people you deem 'terrible' and either not worth your time or not worth listening to. (This may just be referring to me in this case, but it's an attitude I see from a few players on mafia, BC included. Ace appears to be an exception.)
I don't know where you get the complete confidence thing from, I'm pretty unsure how to proceed in this game, and I thought my recent waffling on yamato and posts like "this game is too hard" were pretty indicative of that. And I don't ignore people based on my perception of them, I ignore people that say things I don't think make sense.
I actually think I'm one of the better long-term players when it comes to appreciating newer players, because I play quite actively and thus don't lose touch with the up and coming community.
reyn hasn't played for that long (on my timescale) and I sheeped him all game long, because I agreed with things he said.
On May 09 2013 01:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
Despite the fact that you see me and my cases as terrible, I've been right about quite a few things this game (though nobody appears to acknowledge this---yet you're constantly bringing up things YOU were right about), and I also know who the JK is, and have for a little while now. There are many things that I have contributed that simply get bypassed because my way of figuring out the game doesn't fit within the brackets of what you would determine to be 'good play' yet apparently achieves the same result (or in this case, BETTER results if people ever listened to me).
Do you really need endless appreciation from others? Do you want me to dive into your filter and find where you've been right? I don't think you're a terrible player, hell, the fact that you're alive with a guilty check means you cannot by definition be awful, no matter your alignment.
It's not my job to push your ideas, it's your job. If you don't like that your posts get ignored, I'd suggest getting better at pushing your ideas, and if you're trying to convince me, specifically, a good start would be to stop yelling for my lynch.
Do you want a pat on the back? Just do it yourself. Explain to us all why you're awesome and must be listened to.
On May 09 2013 01:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
I was unsure about your case originally when I wrote it, but if you'd read it wasn't necessarily a case to get you lynched, it was merely a summation of my thoughts on you, some points and counterpoints, and then I literally said "I dunno guys, help me out." AND NOBODY DID. Town is a team, and no one can be sure of their own cases/reads all of the time, not even you, yet many people treat their reads as G-d's word to fucking Moses. It was an opening for you or anyone else to say: "your case is shit and here's why." "Or I agree for such and such reasons" But nobody did so I was left with my own thoughts echoing in my head.
Town is a team, but you also have to learn to recognize how to work with a team. Just to take a silly little example, giggles corrected someone's spelling of his name, and then said he was tired of "giggles".
This obviously immediately caused everyone to call him giggles all the time, because that's how the culture works. I'm not sure whether or not giggles understood this, but he should have expected it.
If you're not being listened to, it's your own fault. Everyone can become the center of attention, but you have to learn how to manipulate a thread into focusing on the things that you want it to be focused on, to do this you have to understand the culture in the thread, embrace it and use it to your advantage. I was extensively listened to even in my first games of mafia because I realized this from the get-go. We can have a discussion about this after the game, as it's one of the things I think I do well in mafia, ie: getting the thread to talk about what I want.
People are always biased to their own thoughts. Don't be mad about it, use it.
On May 09 2013 01:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm going to wipe all bias I have clean when I look into you over the next little bit, just as I did the first time. If you ignore it then despite what I find I will be pushing for your lynch tomorrow as I will therefore not be seeing you as an asset to town alive, only through the information gleaned by your death. Whether or not people listen to me on that will not matter to me. Whether or not you feel threatened by this does not matter to me. If you, or other people respond, perhaps we can actually begin to solve this game properly.
You only lynch me if you think I'm scum. If you can come up with a legitimate reason why, I guess I'll be fine with you attacking me. But please, whenever you read things, make sure you read them both from the context of "scum-palmar" and "town-palmar". Because I found your earlier case in some places lacking in looking at the costs and benefits of my actions based on both town and scum.
I'm not particularly threatened, I understand how this game works. But I'm not going to allow myself to be mislynched without explanation.
I don't compromise, I don't self-hammer.
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man i look so townie now it's amazing
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On May 09 2013 02:13 Palmar wrote:
man i look so townie now it's amazing
You do? I just see a bunch of alignment unindicative town advice. Something you could easily do as scum too. The only real townie point it gave you was that you put in a bunch of effort into it.
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I disagree (and agree) with some of the points outlined above but they're not relevant to the game at this point in time.
Continuing my read.
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Actually you know what, in the interest of keeping conversation going...
I'm curious about this as well, you draw parallels between yamato and I. Why respond to him and not to me?
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On May 09 2013 01:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
Aw, here you go and actually put effort into something...I was so set to troll the rest of the night too.
I don't understand how you can exude such an attitude of complete confidence despite your performance this game; it's that arrogance that kush outlined that absolutely infuriates me, including your propensity to compltely ignore or shrug off those points from people you deem 'terrible' and either not worth your time or not worth listening to.
On April 23 2013 09:43 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 09:40 TheRavensName wrote:On April 23 2013 09:11 WaveofShadow wrote:Anyway to sum it up, I'm more sure of an Oats lynch than yamato; a lot of conflicted things going on with him that I just can't be sure of. Now, On April 23 2013 08:49 TheRavensName wrote:On April 23 2013 08:46 WaveofShadow wrote:
Why yall gotta ignore my post.
Why you gotta ignore my questions for you? Because you're obviously town and obviously searching in the wrong places. I'll indulge though because I know what it was like in my first big game; I see much of myself in you, young padawan. If you'd actually read my filter, you calling me wishy-washy doesn't make sense at all. I've had definite reads all game; just because I haven't voted anyone yet or had a very strong scumread doesn't make me scum. I don't have to post massive cases on people to be scumhunting. Those will come later. Wouldn't this just lead me futher down the wrong path by letting my suspicions of you fester until they reach a boiling point? Yes, but stuff like that is bound to happen anyway when dealing with newer players. I'm sorry to say it but the fact remains that unless you are exceptional, in a game like this with a lot of veteran players your (and sometimes my) voice is unlikely to be heard when following one line of suspicion to the bitter end. Essentially I know what to expect from you and I'm not worried about your suspicion of me due to the player interaction in this game. This isn't a jab at you or your skill. I'm more worried about Vivax's line of thinking derailing the thread than yours.
Kinda see how I felt now don't ya?
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On May 09 2013 02:28 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2013 01:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
Aw, here you go and actually put effort into something...I was so set to troll the rest of the night too.
I don't understand how you can exude such an attitude of complete confidence despite your performance this game; it's that arrogance that kush outlined that absolutely infuriates me, including your propensity to compltely ignore or shrug off those points from people you deem 'terrible' and either not worth your time or not worth listening to. Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 09:43 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 23 2013 09:40 TheRavensName wrote:On April 23 2013 09:11 WaveofShadow wrote:Anyway to sum it up, I'm more sure of an Oats lynch than yamato; a lot of conflicted things going on with him that I just can't be sure of. Now, On April 23 2013 08:49 TheRavensName wrote:On April 23 2013 08:46 WaveofShadow wrote:
Why yall gotta ignore my post.
Why you gotta ignore my questions for you? Because you're obviously town and obviously searching in the wrong places. I'll indulge though because I know what it was like in my first big game; I see much of myself in you, young padawan. If you'd actually read my filter, you calling me wishy-washy doesn't make sense at all. I've had definite reads all game; just because I haven't voted anyone yet or had a very strong scumread doesn't make me scum. I don't have to post massive cases on people to be scumhunting. Those will come later. Wouldn't this just lead me futher down the wrong path by letting my suspicions of you fester until they reach a boiling point? Yes, but stuff like that is bound to happen anyway when dealing with newer players. I'm sorry to say it but the fact remains that unless you are exceptional, in a game like this with a lot of veteran players your (and sometimes my) voice is unlikely to be heard when following one line of suspicion to the bitter end. Essentially I know what to expect from you and I'm not worried about your suspicion of me due to the player interaction in this game. This isn't a jab at you or your skill. I'm more worried about Vivax's line of thinking derailing the thread than yours. Kinda see how I felt now don't ya?
I already know how you felt, that's why I explained it to you and why I actually gave you (and have been giving you) the time of day.
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Alright some intersting minutiae:
On April 23 2013 09:58 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 09:53 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 23 2013 09:48 yamato77 wrote:
Yeah, Oats' return is not impressive. sorry for not writing a 5 page post THAT THIS DUDE IS SCUM. Can we lynch Ace? I would like to keep his streak of getting mislynched in like almost every game.(scumslip :o) apologize for calling me scum bitch.
On April 23 2013 10:16 Palmar wrote:
am I the hammer? Cause I fucking love hammering
##unvote
##vote Oatsmaster
This looks strangely like a pattern. Same thing you did to Yamato but in fewer words. Apparently you really REALLY don't like being called scum. I am not sure whether or not this is alignment indicative, however; it would probably depend on whaether or not you've done this in other games and, as you've put it so often this game, cba. Also interesting that you chose to vote for yamato and Oats when they called you scum but not me.
Let's move on to Clarity.
Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 03:57 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 23 2013 18:24 Palmar wrote:On April 23 2013 17:52 Clarity_nl wrote:
I wouldn't lynch him right now, no. Would want to hear from him first.
Don't have many full fledged opinions yet, but the people I was gonna look into next (that being tonight, have work soon) were gonna be giygas, bc and shiaopi (mainly because I don't remember much of them from reading through the thread) sup scum This one is a point FOR town Palmar becuase I can't see them making the decision to bus Clarity this early when he was actually active, unless they realized his play was so shitty he'd be going down immediately. Yep, it's a point for town me because you know.. I'm town. Generally townies do townie things.
Now I once called this a point for a town Palmar but in the same post I say it could be a scummy thing to do if you recognized that Clarity's posting was shit and he was likely to be lynched. You ignored that part of it. Then there's this:
On May 02 2013 23:15 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 23:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 02 2013 23:10 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 02 2013 23:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 02 2013 23:02 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Thanks for confirming yourself as one of the final mafia artanis.
I stopped reading at the point of you claiming I never wanted Yamato lynched given how full of shit you are. Thanks for trying desperately to get me lynched though. Sick defense dude. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/SrKdOdt.gif) only defend things worth defending yo. Not worth the time otherwise Good point. I'll stop replying to you until you actually read the case and try to refute it. I doubt that'll happen anyway, seems you've already resigned. Resigned? You apparently don't know me dude lol. How about you people who think I am mafia go back and read the games I have been mafia in. Bill Murray ran a game which is number 28 I believe that was imbalanced in favour of the town by extreme amounts and I led my team to victory quite successfully. I have bussed inactive teammates to ensure I was viewed as confirmed town, etc... If I was mafia this game I would have bussed my entire team that was inactive, made sure that I was the reason they died, and proceeded to off town systematically while being confirmed the entire way.
Seems entirely possible that this is what was done. There are both town and scum points for this therefore I remove it as solely a town point for you.
Talking about ShiaoPi and VE:
Yeah, I thought VE was scum, and you agree he looked bad early. I still thought he was scum by this day, and by extension I gave shiaopi a probably town read, not a big deal. I can't be right on everything, and very often I miss under-the-radar scum. I like lynching VE, and I was willing to throw my weight behind a clarity lynch too.
I don't think anyone expects you to be right on everything. Maybe, MAYBE I can accept that you were wrong about VE this far into the game, but any quick look into Shiao at all showed that he was NOT under the radar and looked objectively scummy all game. A pre-flip association based on your scumread of VE? That isn't good play no matter how you look at it. Combine this with the logic of bussing an inactive Clarity over an active Shiao, and your constant defending of Shiao when you defend NONE of your other townreads all game and this makes you look scummy. Very scummy.
Regarding your defense of accusations of Clarity bus:
No, this is the post where I agree that Clarity lynch is a good one and since I have a very strong case on him (the same reason I said "sup scum" to him on day 1, just articulated).
Think about it for a little while, if I'm scum palmar wouldn't I try to extract every little ounce of town-cred out of the clarity lynch? why would I bother with saying I still wanted to lynch VE? The truth is I thought VE was scum. I still think he was playing strange, but obviously his relative lack of leadership may have been, just like mine, based on his role. Do you think there is a hole in my reasoning for killing Clarity? Do you think this is fabricated evidence? Was it not new to the thread at the time I wrote it? Especially the part where I analyse his follow-up.
You're right about this. I am not convinced however that the scum motivation isn't there. Clarity starts posting for hours before you return and call him scum. I could definitely see you, as the one mainly active (and arguably skilled) member of the scumteam coming back to the QT and going, WTF Clarity, you're dead and we're going to have to bus you for this. Your reasoning for killing him unfortunately very easily fits from both a town and scum perspective. Very easy to point out your scum-mates glaring mistakes. As for your extracting town-cred and blowing it on pushing VE, again that seems to me alignment-null on its own. Yes what are you saying could be true but it's also very easily true that you're trying to avoid completely flip-flopping on your read here to avoid looking scummier. Which to me since all you say is: "Still think VE is a good lynch" and then drop it amounts to the same thing as flip-flopping without a reason.
More coming but I want to get some of this out just in case there is some chance in hell of me dying.
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The night ends in about 16 minutes. Make sure to get all night actions in before that time!
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Blazinghand
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Day 7
Sharrant the Albus Dumbledore has been killed!
with 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch
gogo
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That was obvious.
Palmar, result of check?
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If it's actually me who dies (for god knows what reason) WoS is almost certainly town. He's too boneheaded and tunnely to be scum
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