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GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
May 07 2013 23:52 GMT
#5121
So let me get this straight. First you go hard on Yamato (Day 1), then you ignore him for a long time. Suddenly, he's scum again after you see that quote and again push for his lynch, it doesn't work out. When the quote is brought up again you say "it's too scummy to be scum": changing your mind on the quote that you referenced three times and thought was very pertinent. You then lynch Yamato "for the lolz", and because you wanted the day to end. And now you say he was the "towniest person in this game".

I just don't understand why or how you kept changing your opinion on Yamato.

Does anyone else find this extremely weird?
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kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
May 08 2013 00:16 GMT
#5122
@gigyas lol
here's what actually happened. He was trolling d1. I'm not used to yamato trolling so I thought he might be scum.
K then I stop reading the game for a long time. Then I come back to the game and I'm like yo VE who should I look up.
He tells me yamato and some other people. I look at yamato's filter and some across that soft defense post and like lol this guy's pretty scummy.
But as I start paying more attention to the game, it becomes more and more obvious that he is town.
Then the day lasts forever. And I'm in a trolly mood. And i'm like w/e let's just kill yamato that way everyone can see that BC is hella scum.
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GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
May 08 2013 00:23 GMT
#5123
That makes way more sense than the no explanation opinion changes I was getting from your filter. Sorry.
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
May 08 2013 02:17 GMT
#5124
Man oh man, I am such a popular guy this game everyone wants to talk to me and listen to what I have to say!
So much so that one me conversing with everyone all the time is not enough to keep my brilliant intellect under control, therefore I give you ShadowofWave!

ShadowofWave: Nice to be here.

WaveofShadow: So it's been a very interesting game thus far, would you agree?

ShadowofWave: Very much so, yes. Full of twists and turns. A lot of quality scumhunting going on. Speaking of which, haven't seen a lot from you lately. Any scumreads?

WaveofShadow: Yeah I know. Scumreads? Palmar and probably Hopeless/one of the lurkers. More likely Hopeless. And you?

ShadowofWave: Not good enough. Not giving my reads until you give me some reasoning behind yours.

WaveofShadow: I've given reasoning for my reads all throughout the thread; in fact my scumread on Palmar is even stronger now. Remember how I AND Yamato agreed (in our HUGE amounts of conversation we agreed to have) that one of Palmar and BC have to be scum? I find it very difficult to believe the argument that BC and Yamato had for the latter part of the day was between scum and town.

ShadowofWave: That's fucking retarded. You're an idiot. Palmar and BC BOTH argued with Yamato throughout the end of that day.

WaveofShadow: Differences between the arguments:
BC gets emotional, Palmar doesn't.
BC is way more invested into his push, Palmar pushes a little, goes away and comes back to disassemble a yamato post then goes away.
BC gets angry and analyzes the shit out of why he believes yamato to be scum; Palmar simply looks to discredit yamato for his reads despite agreeing with many of them.
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 07 2013 08:07 Palmar wrote:
Hello! I'm your friendly Yamato interpreter:

Show nested quote +
On May 07 2013 04:49 yamato77 wrote:
Stutters I think is town because of a meta read. Until he gives me reason to think he's scum, I will treat him as town because he's never played scum. There's little reason for me to believe that anything he's done is outside of what I expect from town Stutters, which admittedly isn't much to begin with. I would expect scum Stutters to be easy to pick out, because it owuld be his first game and he'd likely be horrible.


Stutters is town because I say so, I think I would think he's scum maybe if he's scum so probably town idk?

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On May 07 2013 04:49 yamato77 wrote:
WoS would also be first time scum, and he's too active for that. He's too involved. He's claimed miller within a reasonable context. Not what I'd expect from first time scum.


Look guys, I actually have a legit reason for thinking someone is town, I mean, anything less vague than "he's too involved" is of course too much, but at least he claimed miller!

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On May 07 2013 04:49 yamato77 wrote:
Sharrant is highly involved in the game. and seems genuinely interested in figuring out the game. He's also the only person mafia Clarity ever talked about, which would be weird for his scum mate. I believe Sharrant would be another first-timer, so unless he's a prodigy, he's town.


No need for interpreter here, this is actually correct, if lacking in detail.

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On May 07 2013 04:49 yamato77 wrote:
TRN is a mason, and I have little reason to be suspicious of him. When he masoned me, he seemed to want to figure me out, as he had apparently done with geript. Town.


yeah, probably true.

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On May 07 2013 04:49 yamato77 wrote:
Geript is town because I understand how he thinks. I was just in a Hydra with him not long ago. His perspective on the game is similar to what I saw there. He's a little tunnelish, and genuinely doesn't understand my play this game. I believe it.


No, geript may be the scummiest person in the thread, he just skates by on the modconfirm thing.

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On May 07 2013 04:49 yamato77 wrote:
Artanis is also likely town (unless my conspiracy theory comes true) because of how involved he's been in the game since yesterday. He's attempting to figure the game out in a rational way. I have little real reason to suspect him outside of interfering with me wanting to lynch you.


Artanis is town because I say so, I'll just dash in some fancy words. "rational.... and involved" that'll do it. means I don't have to read or cite specific trains of thought.

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On May 07 2013 04:49 yamato77 wrote:
BC is town because either you or him is confirmed town, because of what I've talked about his game, and right now I'm working under that assumption.


BC is maybe town because Palmar is maybe confirmed town eh... I mean.... yeah sure, he's maybe scum and Palmar is maybe scum? So right guys, I got this, Palmar is maybe scum and BC is maybe town. Yeah that's why BC is solid town read of mine.

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On May 07 2013 04:49 yamato77 wrote:
BM is town because he's still playing the game. In Boardwalk, his activity fell off a cliff and he stopped trying later in the game when he realized the scum team's chances were shot. In a similar situation this game. he's still trying. Not to mention, day 1 he tried to talk sense to me in my trollish state. Easily town.


BM is town because he posts a lot... I guess. I also forgot that period where BM left the game.


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On May 07 2013 04:49 yamato77 wrote:
Giygas is town through sheer effort. He's tryharding to figure out this game. I don't even have to explain this, it's so obvious.


Shit, I have no reason here... hmm... tryhard? I'll just tell the guys they're stupid if they don't agree. I mean they'll totally agree the guy with the shortest filter is town on sheer effort?

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On May 07 2013 04:49 yamato77 wrote:
Kush I might be wrong about, but he seems genuine when he just wants a lynch. His accusation of me felt like an accusation town Kush would believe in. He's also not hardbussing, as far as I can see, so he's not mafia. Real heuristics, applied realistically.


I guess Kush is town because why not?

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On May 07 2013 04:49 yamato77 wrote:
That leaves you and Hopeless, Palmar. Without your claim, there's nothing to point toward you being town, and the claim is ass.


rofl, good job yamato

##Unvote
##Vote Yamato



ShadowofWave: Doesn't mean shit, bro, you're legit terrible. What about this? This 'appeal to authority' looks downright terrible.
On May 07 2013 12:55 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2013 12:52 getmoript wrote:
On May 07 2013 12:50 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On May 07 2013 12:50 getmoript wrote:
On May 07 2013 12:37 Sharrant wrote:
On May 07 2013 12:32 yamato77 wrote:
On May 07 2013 12:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On May 07 2013 12:30 yamato77 wrote:
On May 07 2013 12:29 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On May 07 2013 12:28 yamato77 wrote:
Yeah, I'm tired of fighting stupid

I resolve myself of responsibility for the outcome of this game.


aside from defend yourself all game you really havent done much. Factor in game sabotage if you are "town" and its pretty clear you have to go

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

I handed you scum on a silver platter and you voted to lynch me.

Go reread the game.


which one? i recall ace giving us clarity, ve + CC giving us shiaopi, mods giving us tube, and virtually everyone thinking ace was likely 3p.

Who did you give us?

Hopeless and Palmar

Their combined filter is smaller than mine, but I'm being lynched over the both of them.

Fantastic.


If you gave us Palmar, if you analyzed him so hard, how could you have never realized that his claim was wrong? Not once did you even hint that, if he is a cop, his sanity was not confirmed as what he said it was.

I've been sitting on that since the moment he checked OO, I was sure it was how it would go down, and I haven't even been particularly interested in Palmar aside from that point.

If palmar is town why didn't he realize his sanity wasn't confirmed?


because hes an idiot

Then why are we listening to him on voting Yamato?


have you read the game? I have had a read on yamato all game, ve had that same read, ace had the same read, palmar is now saying it? We know the flip of two of those players already, 1 was town 1 was 3p, both are responsible for heavy pushing the votes where mafia were lynched. Ace played for the most part a very town oriented game. I am inclined to believe that 4 players all getting the same read on a player means the guy is likely what those 4 think


He's using 3p as evidence that vets know what they're talking about, and we should just sheep them; 3p WHO HAS THEIR OWN FUCKING AGENDA. We have NO IDEA of the alignment of the other 2 players listed and he is attempting to use that as evidence that a read is correct? What a bunch of horseshit.

WaveofShadow: Yeah that's pretty awful. I honestly don't even know. Personally I'd like to know why either Palmar or BC are alive right now considering they are probably the most dangerous as self-proclaimed 'vets' so late into a game. Hell Palmar himself said he's sick of being killed instantly so he specifically tried to play differently (read: terribly) this game so as not to be killed. If he's playing terribly why the FUCK is he still alive? And BC at the beginning of the game called previous towns who have lynched/shot him early D1/N1 terrible, does that mean he thinks our current town is doing well, with basically no clue where to go next, flip-flopping on lynch targets a whole day? Very quick to take credit, very quick to shame others for not performing up to his standards; I don't see how this guy is a benefit to town either right now; lynching either of them tomorrow IMO is the way to go.

ShadowofWave: So Artanis what do you think of a Geript lynch tomorrow?

WaveofShadow: Dude I thought we were talking. And Geript is modconfirmed town remember?

ShadowofWave: Yeah fuck you I don't feel like listening to you. You're bad.
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kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
May 08 2013 03:08 GMT
#5125
WoS could you have possibly made that hard to read and understand?

Can you please quote the post from BC that makes you think he is town?

ATM I want to lynch hopeless or BC tomorrow.
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 08 2013 03:15 GMT
#5126
On May 07 2013 22:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2013 16:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On May 07 2013 16:28 yamato77 wrote:
Any comment on today's bullshit, Artanis?

BC tunneling you, not much surprise there. Don't actually have much time atm, will comment more after work.
Will policy lynch anyone that hammers you before I get the chance to comment.


Also I am not the only one who wants him lynched. Sharrant, myself, Palmar theravensname.

obviously we can't all be tunneling.

why did you put your name in the middle of this list?
that is scummy as shit
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 08 2013 03:15 GMT
#5127
On May 08 2013 00:58 kushm4sta wrote:
we can lynch bc tomorrow when yamato flips town

what
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 08 2013 03:17 GMT
#5128
On May 08 2013 07:48 GiygaS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2013 07:08 kushm4sta wrote:
it was lolz to kill him though because yamato was the towniest person in this game.

Please explain why you put him in L-1 then, knowing full well that he said he wanted to hammer himself.

where the fuck did YOU come from?
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 08 2013 03:25 GMT
#5129
The two remaining scum are TRN and Palmar
I have used deductive reasoning to come to this conclusion
GiygaS, kush, and I were all voting shiao when the VE wagon was deterred... and I was attacking Kush for bandwagonning...
Tube voted Stutters, trying to get him lynched, that same day, so I'm not looking to lynch Stutters
Artanis has been very helpful, so I want to keep him around
BC + Yamato argument felt like town on town
Sharrant I'm a little on the fence on, but since I just played with him, and we were both scum... pretty sure he isn't. weak read.
TRN + Palmar likely scumpair imo
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 08 2013 03:32 GMT
#5130

going to readjust my read on TRN - he's reading town reading his filter
time to read Palmar when I get back...
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Sharrant
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada543 Posts
May 08 2013 04:05 GMT
#5131
On May 08 2013 12:25 Bill Murray wrote:
The two remaining scum are TRN and Palmar
I have used deductive reasoning to come to this conclusion
GiygaS, kush, and I were all voting shiao when the VE wagon was deterred... and I was attacking Kush for bandwagonning...
Tube voted Stutters, trying to get him lynched, that same day, so I'm not looking to lynch Stutters
Artanis has been very helpful, so I want to keep him around
BC + Yamato argument felt like town on town
Sharrant I'm a little on the fence on, but since I just played with him, and we were both scum... pretty sure he isn't. weak read.
TRN + Palmar likely scumpair imo


I'm super tired so I'm only making this one post right now. Doubtful TRN is scum.

And seriously, this is the second time you've brought this up which is confusing. I have never played scum on Team Liquid. We played Boardwalk, you were scum, I was town.

Palmar, you're checking WoS tonight, unless you can convince me that you have someone 100% pegged as scum, even then WoS is probably a better check.
GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
May 08 2013 04:10 GMT
#5132
Just off the top of my head, you're forgetting both WoS, Hopeless, and Getmoript on that deductive reasoning list. Also, I wouldn't be so sure on Stutters being town because of tube vote. Tube may have known that he was gonna get modkilled and WIFOM bombed Stutters. I'll look at this filter after school tomorrow to get a read on him, Hopeless and WoS and make a decision from there. I still think Palmar is town because of that early clarity bus, but I'll also reevaluate his filter tomorrow.
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GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
May 08 2013 04:12 GMT
#5133
EBWOP: not both WoS, Hopeless and Getmoript, I added Getmoript to that list later as I forgot him too.
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
May 08 2013 04:24 GMT
#5134
So many reads to read, so many decisions to decide, BUT WHO WILL BE THE RIGHT ONE

Valuable insight incoming, ladies and gentlemen, you can bet your genitalia on it.
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kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
May 08 2013 04:26 GMT
#5135
@bm yeah you forgot hopeless..
also that's not really deductive reasoning is it? it's more like process of elimination
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 08 2013 05:23 GMT
#5136
whats the difference
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 08 2013 05:24 GMT
#5137
ohhh i was confusing you with shelvocke
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 08 2013 05:25 GMT
#5138
On May 08 2013 13:10 GiygaS wrote:
Just off the top of my head, you're forgetting both WoS, Hopeless, and Getmoript on that deductive reasoning list. Also, I wouldn't be so sure on Stutters being town because of tube vote. Tube may have known that he was gonna get modkilled and WIFOM bombed Stutters. I'll look at this filter after school tomorrow to get a read on him, Hopeless and WoS and make a decision from there. I still think Palmar is town because of that early clarity bus, but I'll also reevaluate his filter tomorrow.

well if palmar flips scum i know who i'm lynching
and i'm going to be happy about it
you were the weakest shiaopi "clear" i was considering, taking into account you unvoted the wagon, and detracted from it
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 08 2013 05:26 GMT
#5139
On April 30 2013 04:44 Palmar wrote:
giggles is really sticking, I'm a fan.

[/QUOTE]
then there's this to support my theory
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 08 2013 05:27 GMT
#5140
giggles "thinks" palmar is town too
afraid to commit a jeep tell?
Artanis is town. There. Happy? Does that make me scum? No, it does not.
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