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On May 09 2013 04:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2013 04:08 WaveofShadow wrote:
Personally I kind of want to lynch geript for no other reason than he has been a non-factor all game, and that is not how Geript plays, town OR scum. In The Game (scum) he was extremely active with the help of his scumteam: making plays, editing and checking his stuff. Him being afraid to post as scum with an inactive/bad scumteam would fit, though I would argue that in that case you/BC would have to be town for that to be true (unless you were seriously lonewolfing it). How much credence do people put into 'mod-confirmed town?'
A town Geript that isn't helping is scarcely a Geript at all. Could just be a demotivated geript that was looking forward to being shadowed by marv only to get bullshit his way. It's worth looking into his filter though. Show nested quote +On May 09 2013 04:08 Palmar wrote:On May 09 2013 04:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 09 2013 04:05 Palmar wrote:On May 09 2013 04:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 09 2013 04:02 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 09 2013 04:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 09 2013 03:58 WaveofShadow wrote:Oh wow I missed the flip, derp. Ok well yeah, that was completely obvious, if not made more so by Artanis: On May 09 2013 01:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
WoS, I was not interested in commenting on the thoughts at that time because I didn't want either Palmar or BC lynched yesterday. I also won't comment on it until night ends. I highly doubt anyone but the JK will die, but in case I randomly get shot, just sheep BM yo. He handsome~ Process of elimination real easy for mafia who didn't realize it much earlier. BM probably next mafia target. Anyway, Artanis I believe you promised some analysis. Palmar take your time. There's a lot that has gone into what I've written both in the past and now and I can see no reason why people (other than you two as well) should just ignore it as it will at least generate good discussion. I'm working on it on my own way. Have you missed me inquiring onto Palmar? Nope. Do you agree that either BC or Palmar have to die today? I'm not going to expand on this until Palmar answers me whether he still suspects BC. I don't want to influence his answer. You cannot influence my answer so don't worry about it. But it's gonna be a while as I'm going to read the entire filter of a few people, including BC If you're scum, showing my hand could lead to you giving the desired answer. Therefore I'd rather not comment on it at this point. That's entirely up to you, I just don't want the progress of discussion to be hindered waiting on what I have to say. Even if you think I'm scum, does it look like I've been saying things and giving opinions to please people this game? You haven't been in serious risk of lynching yet. You probably will be today. The past is no guarantee of the future.
I disagree with this and as such will reserve judgment for now. As per you not wanting to answer my question, note that in any game that Palmar/Ace/BC etc play in, it has become part of their metas (misuse of the word here but fk it baylife) to die early since as idenitifed strong players, the only reasons mafia would not have shot them is because they ARE mafia. For Ace it's likely he was shot by mafia but BC/Palmar are very curious this game. If Plmar has been telling the truth this whole game then leaving him up as juicy lynchbait because of his play was probably the correct play for mafia, especially since he has not shown himself to be much of a threat this game.
BC is another story though, I would argue his play has been stronger, and he has taken credit for a few scum kills already. Again just spouting stuff while waiting so as not to stagnate discussion.
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artanis to give you an indication of what I have, I'm working on this assumption
Town:
Palmar
Kush (see my analysis with cobbler)
WoS (he is putting in a lot of effort and everything he's done makes sense. yamato agreed with me on this too)
Bill Murray (But I'm becoming less sure of this)
Leaning Town:
Artanis
TRN
Lurkers/Scum/Must-read-again/null
giggles
bc
geript
hopeless
stutters
This last group of people is the one I think my focus needs to be on today.
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On May 09 2013 04:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2013 04:14 Palmar wrote:re: you versus yamato The problem I had with yamato's read was that it was based on absolutely nothing, whereas your case is based on multiple speculations that are often lacking or inconclusive. I think I summarized it well with this question: On May 07 2013 02:08 Palmar wrote:On May 01 2013 14:58 yamato77 wrote:
So back to Palmar/BC; I find it more likely that Palmar is town than BC. Palmar, while relatively inactive, has attempted at times to push his own agenda in lynching VE, good or bad. He's also had a believable narrative in checking/claiming a red check on BC. Is he capable of this sort of play as mafia? It's possible, but I feel it likely that Palmar is actually telling the truth that he simply cba to do anything. It's an illness that often strikes Palmar.
So given that you actually understand this narrative, what has changed your mind must be the fact that I did not send in a check last night. Now, explain how that, specifically, makes me mafia. If you cannot, you're full of shit. to which he responded: On May 07 2013 03:05 yamato77 wrote:
I highly doubt that you're town. Just because you're not objectively scummy doesn't mean you aren't mafia. And that just set me off. Also, yamato was doing a better job of controlling the thread than you. I can't tell if you're playing dumb or if you still don't know.
Don't understand this post, why am I dumb?
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On May 09 2013 04:17 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2013 04:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 09 2013 04:08 WaveofShadow wrote:
Personally I kind of want to lynch geript for no other reason than he has been a non-factor all game, and that is not how Geript plays, town OR scum. In The Game (scum) he was extremely active with the help of his scumteam: making plays, editing and checking his stuff. Him being afraid to post as scum with an inactive/bad scumteam would fit, though I would argue that in that case you/BC would have to be town for that to be true (unless you were seriously lonewolfing it). How much credence do people put into 'mod-confirmed town?'
A town Geript that isn't helping is scarcely a Geript at all. Could just be a demotivated geript that was looking forward to being shadowed by marv only to get bullshit his way. It's worth looking into his filter though. On May 09 2013 04:08 Palmar wrote:On May 09 2013 04:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 09 2013 04:05 Palmar wrote:On May 09 2013 04:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 09 2013 04:02 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 09 2013 04:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 09 2013 03:58 WaveofShadow wrote:Oh wow I missed the flip, derp. Ok well yeah, that was completely obvious, if not made more so by Artanis: On May 09 2013 01:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
WoS, I was not interested in commenting on the thoughts at that time because I didn't want either Palmar or BC lynched yesterday. I also won't comment on it until night ends. I highly doubt anyone but the JK will die, but in case I randomly get shot, just sheep BM yo. He handsome~ Process of elimination real easy for mafia who didn't realize it much earlier. BM probably next mafia target. Anyway, Artanis I believe you promised some analysis. Palmar take your time. There's a lot that has gone into what I've written both in the past and now and I can see no reason why people (other than you two as well) should just ignore it as it will at least generate good discussion. I'm working on it on my own way. Have you missed me inquiring onto Palmar? Nope. Do you agree that either BC or Palmar have to die today? I'm not going to expand on this until Palmar answers me whether he still suspects BC. I don't want to influence his answer. You cannot influence my answer so don't worry about it. But it's gonna be a while as I'm going to read the entire filter of a few people, including BC If you're scum, showing my hand could lead to you giving the desired answer. Therefore I'd rather not comment on it at this point. That's entirely up to you, I just don't want the progress of discussion to be hindered waiting on what I have to say. Even if you think I'm scum, does it look like I've been saying things and giving opinions to please people this game? You haven't been in serious risk of lynching yet. You probably will be today. The past is no guarantee of the future. I disagree with this and as such will reserve judgment for now. As per you not wanting to answer my question, note that in any game that Palmar/Ace/BC etc play in, it has become part of their metas (misuse of the word here but fk it baylife) to die early since as idenitifed strong players, the only reasons mafia would not have shot them is because they ARE mafia. For Ace it's likely he was shot by mafia but BC/Palmar are very curious this game. If Plmar has been telling the truth this whole game then leaving him up as juicy lynchbait because of his play was probably the correct play for mafia, especially since he has not shown himself to be much of a threat this game. BC is another story though, I would argue his play has been stronger, and he has taken credit for a few scum kills already. Again just spouting stuff while waiting so as not to stagnate discussion.
I'm not saying it's the most likely conclusion. I haven't really paid attention to his filter at all as I've treated him as confirmed town. I'm just saying it's plausible, but his filter should be the determining thing.
As for the Palmar/BC thing, other than N2 I see no time where scum would have the chance to shoot them. N1 they might've given they both got jailed, N3/N4 they had detectives to take care of (Palmar's claim was the least believed so the others needed to be taken care of first) and by N5 it looked extremely likely one of them would get lynched so shooting them would be silly. If none of Palmar/BC are scum, then N2 and in specific Rayn's filter should give us direction.
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On May 09 2013 04:22 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2013 04:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 09 2013 04:14 Palmar wrote:re: you versus yamato The problem I had with yamato's read was that it was based on absolutely nothing, whereas your case is based on multiple speculations that are often lacking or inconclusive. I think I summarized it well with this question: On May 07 2013 02:08 Palmar wrote:On May 01 2013 14:58 yamato77 wrote:
So back to Palmar/BC; I find it more likely that Palmar is town than BC. Palmar, while relatively inactive, has attempted at times to push his own agenda in lynching VE, good or bad. He's also had a believable narrative in checking/claiming a red check on BC. Is he capable of this sort of play as mafia? It's possible, but I feel it likely that Palmar is actually telling the truth that he simply cba to do anything. It's an illness that often strikes Palmar.
So given that you actually understand this narrative, what has changed your mind must be the fact that I did not send in a check last night. Now, explain how that, specifically, makes me mafia. If you cannot, you're full of shit. to which he responded: On May 07 2013 03:05 yamato77 wrote:
I highly doubt that you're town. Just because you're not objectively scummy doesn't mean you aren't mafia. And that just set me off. Also, yamato was doing a better job of controlling the thread than you. I can't tell if you're playing dumb or if you still don't know. Don't understand this post, why am I dumb?
Read the posts between those two posts of Yamato.
Look at who flipped and what his role is.
Realize why Yamato 180'd
???
Profit!!
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Hmm you know, I forgot about your missed check entirely. I can explain why I think that makes you scummy:
Claiming paranoid on a check on me is a safe play based on the fact that you assume my claim was real. (I was debating trying to force something if you claimed insane like saying I fakeclaimed miller but that would have unleashed a shitstorm that I was probably not capable of keeping up and would have gotten me lynched or something). You get red even IF I say I fakeclaimed miller.
The fact that you didn't check anyone the night before is either because once again, lazy Palmar (find this SO hard to believe there are so many instances of this since you're supposed to be a good player) or as mafia you were afraid to check players who aren't basically confirmed one way or the other for fear you might be caught out somehow or remove suspicion on possible lynchbait.
It's not strong evidence but it's a possibility that can't be ignored imo.
Artanis I disagree with the Rayn thing: I still think he was shot to try and frame me (which always seems to fail. Learn from that, mafia, I DON'T get mislynched  ).
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On May 09 2013 04:25 WaveofShadow wrote:Artanis I disagree with the Rayn thing: I still think he was shot to try and frame me (which always seems to fail. Learn from that, mafia, I DON'T get mislynched ).
I highly doubt that scum shot Rayn over BC/Palmar just to frame you if neither are scum. No one pushed you strongly enough for that by a long stretch. It's completely inplausible imo. If you are indeed town, then you should be just as interested in what other thoughts Rayn had.
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On May 09 2013 04:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2013 04:25 WaveofShadow wrote:Artanis I disagree with the Rayn thing: I still think he was shot to try and frame me (which always seems to fail. Learn from that, mafia, I DON'T get mislynched ). I highly doubt that scum shot Rayn over BC/Palmar just to frame you if neither are scum. No one pushed you strongly enough for that by a long stretch. It's completely inplausible imo. If you are indeed town, then you should be just as interested in what other thoughts Rayn had.
Rayn was absolutely shot because he was the smartest dude in the game.
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On May 09 2013 04:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
The fact that you didn't check anyone the night before is either because once again, lazy Palmar (find this SO hard to believe there are so many instances of this since you're supposed to be a good player) or as mafia you were afraid to check players who aren't basically confirmed one way or the other for fear you might be caught out somehow or remove suspicion on possible lynchbait.
if I didn't send in a check it's irrelevant if I'm scum or town, in both cases it's a mistake. I'm not more likely to make mistakes as scum than town (or the other way around). Thus you cannot draw a conclusion from it.
And being good at one aspect of mafia doesn't mean you're good at all aspects of mafia. I don't like roles, I don't care much about roles and I've never been great at setup speculation or role abuse. Just to point to a recent evidence, my complete lack of interest during the picking phase in PYP.
I simply didn't think all the options on my sanity through, because I dedicate almost no time to using my role.
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On May 09 2013 04:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2013 04:25 WaveofShadow wrote:Artanis I disagree with the Rayn thing: I still think he was shot to try and frame me (which always seems to fail. Learn from that, mafia, I DON'T get mislynched ). I highly doubt that scum shot Rayn over BC/Palmar just to frame you if neither are scum. No one pushed you strongly enough for that by a long stretch. It's completely inplausible imo. If you are indeed town, then you should be just as interested in what other thoughts Rayn had.
But see that;s the thing, right?
As far as Rayn being the smartest....after seeing his play in ego I feel I'm biased as to the alternative. Can someone explain?
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Like....his push on Sharrant made absolutely no sense to me whatsoever.
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Palmar, did you figure it out yet?
On May 09 2013 04:32 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2013 04:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 09 2013 04:25 WaveofShadow wrote:Artanis I disagree with the Rayn thing: I still think he was shot to try and frame me (which always seems to fail. Learn from that, mafia, I DON'T get mislynched ). I highly doubt that scum shot Rayn over BC/Palmar just to frame you if neither are scum. No one pushed you strongly enough for that by a long stretch. It's completely inplausible imo. If you are indeed town, then you should be just as interested in what other thoughts Rayn had. But see that;s the thing, right? As far as Rayn being the smartest....after seeing his play in ego I feel I'm biased as to the alternative. Can someone explain?
That's why there's two options to me. Either you and/or maybe GiygaS is scum, or one of BC/Palmar is scum. I think any alternatives are unlikely given the N2 scum shot.
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I don't really see how that makes him the smartest.
Also yeah, DID you figure it out yet?
I actually have no fucking clue what he's talking about. 
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That should have been spoilered. meh
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On May 09 2013 04:08 WaveofShadow wrote:
Personally I kind of want to lynch geript for no other reason than he has been a non-factor all game, and that is not how Geript plays, town OR scum. In The Game (scum) he was extremely active with the help of his scumteam: making plays, editing and checking his stuff. Him being afraid to post as scum with an inactive/bad scumteam would fit, though I would argue that in that case you/BC would have to be town for that to be true (unless you were seriously lonewolfing it). How much credence do people put into 'mod-confirmed town?'
A town Geript that isn't helping is scarcely a Geript at all.
Meh. I just don't care right now. I'm on a week long break that I thought would give me time and want to be invested, but the longer it goes on the more I'm focusing on other things. I just shouldn't have played this game. I need a break, both in real life and from mafia. I'm actually enjoying the NMM game far more despite not terribly following it. Constantly realizing how bad I am at this game just makes me want to return and focus on the games that I am exceptional at and thoroughly enjoy. I don't know how to convince people to listen to me and my reputation doesn't help any; I just don't see a point in putting in effort. As far as I'm concerned, I'm just worth my vote and nothing more.
Palmar could actually be insane if they have a second framer or a saved JOAT. I still want to lynch him for being an ass.
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On May 09 2013 04:42 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2013 04:08 WaveofShadow wrote:
Personally I kind of want to lynch geript for no other reason than he has been a non-factor all game, and that is not how Geript plays, town OR scum. In The Game (scum) he was extremely active with the help of his scumteam: making plays, editing and checking his stuff. Him being afraid to post as scum with an inactive/bad scumteam would fit, though I would argue that in that case you/BC would have to be town for that to be true (unless you were seriously lonewolfing it). How much credence do people put into 'mod-confirmed town?'
A town Geript that isn't helping is scarcely a Geript at all. Meh. I just don't care right now. I'm on a week long break that I thought would give me time and want to be invested, but the longer it goes on the more I'm focusing on other things. I just shouldn't have played this game. I need a break, both in real life and from mafia. I'm actually enjoying the NMM game far more despite not terribly following it. Constantly realizing how bad I am at this game just makes me want to return and focus on the games that I am exceptional at and thoroughly enjoy. I don't know how to convince people to listen to me and my reputation doesn't help any; I just don't see a point in putting in effort. As far as I'm concerned, I'm just worth my vote and nothing more. Palmar could actually be insane if they have a second framer or a saved JOAT. I still want to lynch him for being an ass.
qff
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On May 09 2013 04:42 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2013 04:08 WaveofShadow wrote:
Personally I kind of want to lynch geript for no other reason than he has been a non-factor all game, and that is not how Geript plays, town OR scum. In The Game (scum) he was extremely active with the help of his scumteam: making plays, editing and checking his stuff. Him being afraid to post as scum with an inactive/bad scumteam would fit, though I would argue that in that case you/BC would have to be town for that to be true (unless you were seriously lonewolfing it). How much credence do people put into 'mod-confirmed town?'
A town Geript that isn't helping is scarcely a Geript at all. Meh. I just don't care right now. I'm on a week long break that I thought would give me time and want to be invested, but the longer it goes on the more I'm focusing on other things. I just shouldn't have played this game. I need a break, both in real life and from mafia. I'm actually enjoying the NMM game far more despite not terribly following it. Constantly realizing how bad I am at this game just makes me want to return and focus on the games that I am exceptional at and thoroughly enjoy. I don't know how to convince people to listen to me and my reputation doesn't help any; I just don't see a point in putting in effort. As far as I'm concerned, I'm just worth my vote and nothing more. Palmar could actually be insane if they have a second framer or a saved JOAT. I still want to lynch him for being an ass.
I'm not likely to keep him alive for another day on the off chance I was framed last night by a JOAT. As far as second framer, well if that's true then fuck you BH.
As far as the other stuff...we can talk after the game.
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On May 09 2013 04:39 WaveofShadow wrote:I don't really see how that makes him the smartest. Also yeah, DID you figure it out yet?
no clue
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or well, I think I can infer from the context that he somehow thinks sharrant jailed BC and not me night 1? I guess?
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