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On April 22 2013 11:31 QuanticHwangSin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 11:28 Shellshock1122 wrote:I SOLVED THE CASE OF THE BROKEN BRACKETThe current bracket is actually how it is supposed to be. If you look at winners' round 6 from top to bottom, you see that the players eliminated were:  JYP, Sage,  hendralisk, Miya,  Badcop, Apocalypse, Demuslim, and Petraeus. These players were then dropped into losers' round 10 but arranged in the opposite order. Top bracket to bottom: Patraeus, Demuslim, etc... However, the original bracket swapped Miya and Apocalypse. MLG corrected this mistake and the bracket they used tonight was correct. Sorry Hwangsin. You were supposed to play Apocalypse the whole time Can you explain me why I needed to play against apoc for whole time?? I just want to know it
When the bracket was generated Miya and Apocalypse were put in the wrong spot. Apocalypse was supposed to be in your bracket and Miya was supposed to be in Heart's. This pattern is consistent with the rest of the seeding in the round. You had to play the person who lost between Apocalyse and Crank in the winners' bracket, and it was Apocalypse. Sorry you had to play your friend 
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On April 22 2013 11:31 QuanticHwangSin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 11:28 Shellshock1122 wrote:I SOLVED THE CASE OF THE BROKEN BRACKETThe current bracket is actually how it is supposed to be. If you look at winners' round 6 from top to bottom, you see that the players eliminated were: JYP, Sage, hendralisk, Miya, Badcop, Apocalypse, Demuslim, and Petraeus. These players were then dropped into losers' round 10 but arranged in the opposite order. Top bracket to bottom: Patraeus, Demuslim, etc... However, the original bracket swapped Miya and Apocalypse. MLG corrected this mistake and the bracket they used tonight was correct. Sorry Hwangsin. You were supposed to play Apocalypse the whole time Can you explain me why I needed to play against apoc for whole time?? I just want to know it
When people dropped down from Winner Round 6, they came in in an order 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 and then they arranged them to play 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 (they flipped them so no one would play someone they already played, I think). They accidentally put it something like 8 7 6 4 5 3 2 1 (mixing up Miya and Apoc) so they had you playing Miya instead of Apoc.
Can someone confirm this?
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On April 22 2013 11:32 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 11:28 Shellshock1122 wrote:I SOLVED THE CASE OF THE BROKEN BRACKETThe current bracket is actually how it is supposed to be. If you look at winners' round 6 from top to bottom, you see that the players eliminated were: JYP, Sage, hendralisk, Miya, Badcop, Apocalypse, Demuslim, and Petraeus. These players were then dropped into losers' round 10 but arranged in the opposite order. Top bracket to bottom: Patraeus, Demuslim, etc... However, the original bracket swapped Miya and Apocalypse. MLG corrected this mistake and the bracket they used tonight was correct. Sorry Hwangsin. You were supposed to play Apocalypse the whole time At least. I actually hoped for that to be a hoax, because otherwise that actually could've hurt eSports for real.
No, but at least it was a good excuse for them to take control and try liquipedia to stop "leaking" results.
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On April 22 2013 11:33 AgentW wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 11:31 QuanticHwangSin wrote:On April 22 2013 11:28 Shellshock1122 wrote:I SOLVED THE CASE OF THE BROKEN BRACKETThe current bracket is actually how it is supposed to be. If you look at winners' round 6 from top to bottom, you see that the players eliminated were: JYP, Sage, hendralisk, Miya, Badcop, Apocalypse, Demuslim, and Petraeus. These players were then dropped into losers' round 10 but arranged in the opposite order. Top bracket to bottom: Patraeus, Demuslim, etc... However, the original bracket swapped Miya and Apocalypse. MLG corrected this mistake and the bracket they used tonight was correct. Sorry Hwangsin. You were supposed to play Apocalypse the whole time Can you explain me why I needed to play against apoc for whole time?? I just want to know it When people dropped down from Winner Round 6, they came in in an order 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 and then they arranged them to play 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 (they flipped them so no one would play someone they already played, I think). They accidentally put it something like 8 7 6 4 5 3 2 1 (mixing up Miya and Apoc) so they had you playing Miya instead of Apoc. Can someone confirm this?
they accidentally did it 8 7 4 5 6 3 2 1 instead of 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 but yes what you are saying is correct
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On April 22 2013 11:31 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 11:26 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:22 stuchiu wrote:On April 22 2013 11:18 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:17 ChaosShadow wrote:On April 22 2013 11:15 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:13 m4inbrain wrote:On April 22 2013 11:11 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:09 stuchiu wrote:On April 22 2013 11:07 AgentW wrote:
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The bracket on Liquipedia didn't make sense (we discussed it in LR yesterday but I don't remember on which page) because when guys dropped down, they just played the same bracket the played in the winner bracket. So if you won, you probably played a guy you lost to down the line. It just didn't make sense. Yeah, I replayed the guy I beat in the first round. I also thought the brackets changed from Saturday to Sunday, but I didn't pay attention since I was out. Frankly, HwangSin shouldn't have been playing Miya by this logic. I think people aren't giving MLG credit for correcting things instead of letting them run incorrectly. Rigging brackets is "correcting things" now? If people played the wrong persons, just creating a bracket by hand willy nilly is not the way to fix it. Re-doing the whole thing would be, but not arbitrary changing the brackets as it fits best. But that's not what they did. They had guys who lost in the winner's round drop down to play people in that same bracket in the loser's round. That's clearly a misstep, and they corrected it. Do you think that MLG rigged this so Quantic could teamkill? Maybe so, but that then calls into question the validity of the whole tournament due to swapping of players and brackets after games had already been played and people had already been knocked out. The only fair way of doing something like swapping entire brackets would be to re-do everything. That's fair, but we live in a world in which that doesn't work logistically. In my opinion, they did what was best at the point at which they had discovered their error. The first day of Premier WCS NA is on April 29. They could have just re-run the qualifier with enough time. So what about the players that qualified, they just lose out because a hacker played in the event? Or because a Hyun played when he wasn't supposed to? Or because Comm used an account he wasn't supposed to? If we want to talk about not fair, that would be the worst thing MLG could to players who did nothing wrong. Keep playing out the bracket as if it's an MLG and have the top 4 qualify or something like that. Make another new qualifier for the other 4.
I don't think that is an option and its not really any of the other players fault that all this happened. MLG didn't know all these people were going to do this crazy shit.
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On April 22 2013 11:34 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 11:31 stuchiu wrote:On April 22 2013 11:26 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:22 stuchiu wrote:On April 22 2013 11:18 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:17 ChaosShadow wrote:On April 22 2013 11:15 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:13 m4inbrain wrote:On April 22 2013 11:11 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:09 stuchiu wrote:
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Yeah, I replayed the guy I beat in the first round. I also thought the brackets changed from Saturday to Sunday, but I didn't pay attention since I was out. Frankly, HwangSin shouldn't have been playing Miya by this logic. I think people aren't giving MLG credit for correcting things instead of letting them run incorrectly. Rigging brackets is "correcting things" now? If people played the wrong persons, just creating a bracket by hand willy nilly is not the way to fix it. Re-doing the whole thing would be, but not arbitrary changing the brackets as it fits best. But that's not what they did. They had guys who lost in the winner's round drop down to play people in that same bracket in the loser's round. That's clearly a misstep, and they corrected it. Do you think that MLG rigged this so Quantic could teamkill? Maybe so, but that then calls into question the validity of the whole tournament due to swapping of players and brackets after games had already been played and people had already been knocked out. The only fair way of doing something like swapping entire brackets would be to re-do everything. That's fair, but we live in a world in which that doesn't work logistically. In my opinion, they did what was best at the point at which they had discovered their error. The first day of Premier WCS NA is on April 29. They could have just re-run the qualifier with enough time. So what about the players that qualified, they just lose out because a hacker played in the event? Or because a Hyun played when he wasn't supposed to? Or because Comm used an account he wasn't supposed to? If we want to talk about not fair, that would be the worst thing MLG could to players who did nothing wrong. Keep playing out the bracket as if it's an MLG and have the top 4 qualify or something like that. Make another new qualifier for the other 4. I don't think that is an option and its not really any of the other players fault that all this happened. MLG didn't know all these people were going to do this crazy shit.
Should have had more people running the tournament then so potential problem can be identified and dealt with earlier. Or run more than 1 fucking tournament for the whole damn qualifier.
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On April 22 2013 11:34 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 11:33 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:31 QuanticHwangSin wrote:On April 22 2013 11:28 Shellshock1122 wrote:I SOLVED THE CASE OF THE BROKEN BRACKETThe current bracket is actually how it is supposed to be. If you look at winners' round 6 from top to bottom, you see that the players eliminated were: JYP, Sage, hendralisk, Miya, Badcop, Apocalypse, Demuslim, and Petraeus. These players were then dropped into losers' round 10 but arranged in the opposite order. Top bracket to bottom: Patraeus, Demuslim, etc... However, the original bracket swapped Miya and Apocalypse. MLG corrected this mistake and the bracket they used tonight was correct. Sorry Hwangsin. You were supposed to play Apocalypse the whole time Can you explain me why I needed to play against apoc for whole time?? I just want to know it When people dropped down from Winner Round 6, they came in in an order 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 and then they arranged them to play 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 (they flipped them so no one would play someone they already played, I think). They accidentally put it something like 8 7 6 4 5 3 2 1 (mixing up Miya and Apoc) so they had you playing Miya instead of Apoc. Can someone confirm this? they accidentally did it 8 7 4 5 6 3 2 1 instead of 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 but yes what you are saying is correct
so, what is the real story then?
am I wrong in this situation?? if I am, i will say sorry for make you confused.
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On April 22 2013 11:33 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 11:31 QuanticHwangSin wrote:On April 22 2013 11:28 Shellshock1122 wrote:I SOLVED THE CASE OF THE BROKEN BRACKETThe current bracket is actually how it is supposed to be. If you look at winners' round 6 from top to bottom, you see that the players eliminated were: JYP, Sage, hendralisk, Miya, Badcop, Apocalypse, Demuslim, and Petraeus. These players were then dropped into losers' round 10 but arranged in the opposite order. Top bracket to bottom: Patraeus, Demuslim, etc... However, the original bracket swapped Miya and Apocalypse. MLG corrected this mistake and the bracket they used tonight was correct. Sorry Hwangsin. You were supposed to play Apocalypse the whole time Can you explain me why I needed to play against apoc for whole time?? I just want to know it When the bracket was generated Miya and Apocalypse were put in the wrong spot. Apocalypse was supposed to be in your bracket and Miya was supposed to be in Heart's. This pattern is consistent with the rest of the seeding in the round. You had to play the person who lost between Apocalyse and Crank in the winners' bracket, and it was Apocalypse. Sorry you had to play your friend
So was the error on Liquipedia's end or MGLs? I am going to laugh real hard if someone just fucked on updating Liquipedia and it cause everyone to go all conspiracy theory on MLG.
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On April 22 2013 11:36 QuanticHwangSin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 11:34 Shellshock1122 wrote:On April 22 2013 11:33 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:31 QuanticHwangSin wrote:On April 22 2013 11:28 Shellshock1122 wrote:I SOLVED THE CASE OF THE BROKEN BRACKETThe current bracket is actually how it is supposed to be. If you look at winners' round 6 from top to bottom, you see that the players eliminated were: JYP, Sage, hendralisk, Miya, Badcop, Apocalypse, Demuslim, and Petraeus. These players were then dropped into losers' round 10 but arranged in the opposite order. Top bracket to bottom: Patraeus, Demuslim, etc... However, the original bracket swapped Miya and Apocalypse. MLG corrected this mistake and the bracket they used tonight was correct. Sorry Hwangsin. You were supposed to play Apocalypse the whole time Can you explain me why I needed to play against apoc for whole time?? I just want to know it When people dropped down from Winner Round 6, they came in in an order 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 and then they arranged them to play 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 (they flipped them so no one would play someone they already played, I think). They accidentally put it something like 8 7 6 4 5 3 2 1 (mixing up Miya and Apoc) so they had you playing Miya instead of Apoc. Can someone confirm this? they accidentally did it 8 7 4 5 6 3 2 1 instead of 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 but yes what you are saying is correct so, what is the real story then? am I wrong in this situation?? if I am, i will say sorry for make you confused.
MLG is right and you were supposed to play Apocalypse
On April 22 2013 11:37 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 11:33 Shellshock1122 wrote:On April 22 2013 11:31 QuanticHwangSin wrote:On April 22 2013 11:28 Shellshock1122 wrote:I SOLVED THE CASE OF THE BROKEN BRACKETThe current bracket is actually how it is supposed to be. If you look at winners' round 6 from top to bottom, you see that the players eliminated were: JYP, Sage, hendralisk, Miya, Badcop, Apocalypse, Demuslim, and Petraeus. These players were then dropped into losers' round 10 but arranged in the opposite order. Top bracket to bottom: Patraeus, Demuslim, etc... However, the original bracket swapped Miya and Apocalypse. MLG corrected this mistake and the bracket they used tonight was correct. Sorry Hwangsin. You were supposed to play Apocalypse the whole time Can you explain me why I needed to play against apoc for whole time?? I just want to know it When the bracket was generated Miya and Apocalypse were put in the wrong spot. Apocalypse was supposed to be in your bracket and Miya was supposed to be in Heart's. This pattern is consistent with the rest of the seeding in the round. You had to play the person who lost between Apocalyse and Crank in the winners' bracket, and it was Apocalypse. Sorry you had to play your friend So was the error on Liquipedia's end or MGLs? I am going to laugh real hard if someone just fucked on updating Liquipedia and it cause everyone to go all conspiracy theory on MLG.
not sure. could be either one. I can view old instances of liquipedia but I dont think I can do the same for MLG
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On April 22 2013 11:34 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 11:31 stuchiu wrote:On April 22 2013 11:26 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:22 stuchiu wrote:On April 22 2013 11:18 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:17 ChaosShadow wrote:On April 22 2013 11:15 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:13 m4inbrain wrote:On April 22 2013 11:11 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:09 stuchiu wrote:
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Yeah, I replayed the guy I beat in the first round. I also thought the brackets changed from Saturday to Sunday, but I didn't pay attention since I was out. Frankly, HwangSin shouldn't have been playing Miya by this logic. I think people aren't giving MLG credit for correcting things instead of letting them run incorrectly. Rigging brackets is "correcting things" now? If people played the wrong persons, just creating a bracket by hand willy nilly is not the way to fix it. Re-doing the whole thing would be, but not arbitrary changing the brackets as it fits best. But that's not what they did. They had guys who lost in the winner's round drop down to play people in that same bracket in the loser's round. That's clearly a misstep, and they corrected it. Do you think that MLG rigged this so Quantic could teamkill? Maybe so, but that then calls into question the validity of the whole tournament due to swapping of players and brackets after games had already been played and people had already been knocked out. The only fair way of doing something like swapping entire brackets would be to re-do everything. That's fair, but we live in a world in which that doesn't work logistically. In my opinion, they did what was best at the point at which they had discovered their error. The first day of Premier WCS NA is on April 29. They could have just re-run the qualifier with enough time. So what about the players that qualified, they just lose out because a hacker played in the event? Or because a Hyun played when he wasn't supposed to? Or because Comm used an account he wasn't supposed to? If we want to talk about not fair, that would be the worst thing MLG could to players who did nothing wrong. Keep playing out the bracket as if it's an MLG and have the top 4 qualify or something like that. Make another new qualifier for the other 4. I don't think that is an option and its not really any of the other players fault that all this happened. MLG didn't know all these people were going to do this crazy shit.
Yeah, poor MLG, they really ran the event so well with no mistakes whatsoever. Just bad luck all this shit happened to them.
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On April 22 2013 11:36 QuanticHwangSin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 11:34 Shellshock1122 wrote:On April 22 2013 11:33 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:31 QuanticHwangSin wrote:On April 22 2013 11:28 Shellshock1122 wrote:I SOLVED THE CASE OF THE BROKEN BRACKETThe current bracket is actually how it is supposed to be. If you look at winners' round 6 from top to bottom, you see that the players eliminated were: JYP, Sage, hendralisk, Miya, Badcop, Apocalypse, Demuslim, and Petraeus. These players were then dropped into losers' round 10 but arranged in the opposite order. Top bracket to bottom: Patraeus, Demuslim, etc... However, the original bracket swapped Miya and Apocalypse. MLG corrected this mistake and the bracket they used tonight was correct. Sorry Hwangsin. You were supposed to play Apocalypse the whole time Can you explain me why I needed to play against apoc for whole time?? I just want to know it When people dropped down from Winner Round 6, they came in in an order 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 and then they arranged them to play 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 (they flipped them so no one would play someone they already played, I think). They accidentally put it something like 8 7 6 4 5 3 2 1 (mixing up Miya and Apoc) so they had you playing Miya instead of Apoc. Can someone confirm this? they accidentally did it 8 7 4 5 6 3 2 1 instead of 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 but yes what you are saying is correct so, what is the real story then? am I wrong in this situation?? if I am, i will say sorry for make you confused.
Do not be sorry for anything, this isn't your fault. MLG just fucked up real hard this weekend
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On April 22 2013 11:36 QuanticHwangSin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 11:34 Shellshock1122 wrote:On April 22 2013 11:33 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:31 QuanticHwangSin wrote:On April 22 2013 11:28 Shellshock1122 wrote:I SOLVED THE CASE OF THE BROKEN BRACKETThe current bracket is actually how it is supposed to be. If you look at winners' round 6 from top to bottom, you see that the players eliminated were: JYP, Sage, hendralisk, Miya, Badcop, Apocalypse, Demuslim, and Petraeus. These players were then dropped into losers' round 10 but arranged in the opposite order. Top bracket to bottom: Patraeus, Demuslim, etc... However, the original bracket swapped Miya and Apocalypse. MLG corrected this mistake and the bracket they used tonight was correct. Sorry Hwangsin. You were supposed to play Apocalypse the whole time Can you explain me why I needed to play against apoc for whole time?? I just want to know it When people dropped down from Winner Round 6, they came in in an order 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 and then they arranged them to play 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 (they flipped them so no one would play someone they already played, I think). They accidentally put it something like 8 7 6 4 5 3 2 1 (mixing up Miya and Apoc) so they had you playing Miya instead of Apoc. Can someone confirm this? they accidentally did it 8 7 4 5 6 3 2 1 instead of 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 but yes what you are saying is correct so, what is the real story then? am I wrong in this situation?? if I am, i will say sorry for make you confused.
You're wrong, sadly.
MLG made a mistake, that's true, they corrected it though. You playing Apoc is the correct thing. :/
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On April 22 2013 11:36 s3rp wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 11:34 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:31 stuchiu wrote:On April 22 2013 11:26 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:22 stuchiu wrote:On April 22 2013 11:18 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:17 ChaosShadow wrote:On April 22 2013 11:15 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:13 m4inbrain wrote:On April 22 2013 11:11 AgentW wrote:
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Frankly, HwangSin shouldn't have been playing Miya by this logic. I think people aren't giving MLG credit for correcting things instead of letting them run incorrectly. Rigging brackets is "correcting things" now? If people played the wrong persons, just creating a bracket by hand willy nilly is not the way to fix it. Re-doing the whole thing would be, but not arbitrary changing the brackets as it fits best. But that's not what they did. They had guys who lost in the winner's round drop down to play people in that same bracket in the loser's round. That's clearly a misstep, and they corrected it. Do you think that MLG rigged this so Quantic could teamkill? Maybe so, but that then calls into question the validity of the whole tournament due to swapping of players and brackets after games had already been played and people had already been knocked out. The only fair way of doing something like swapping entire brackets would be to re-do everything. That's fair, but we live in a world in which that doesn't work logistically. In my opinion, they did what was best at the point at which they had discovered their error. The first day of Premier WCS NA is on April 29. They could have just re-run the qualifier with enough time. So what about the players that qualified, they just lose out because a hacker played in the event? Or because a Hyun played when he wasn't supposed to? Or because Comm used an account he wasn't supposed to? If we want to talk about not fair, that would be the worst thing MLG could to players who did nothing wrong. Keep playing out the bracket as if it's an MLG and have the top 4 qualify or something like that. Make another new qualifier for the other 4. I don't think that is an option and its not really any of the other players fault that all this happened. MLG didn't know all these people were going to do this crazy shit. Should have had more people running the tournament then so potential problem can be identified and dealt with earlier. Or run more than 1 fucking tournament for the whole damn qualifier.
That is a valid argument or over more days. But live and learn. But that still doesn't make any of what caused these problems their fault. I don't know how to prepare for an professional player trying to qualify on someone else's account. That is just so stupid I still can't believe they tried it.
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This has just gone from hilarious to sad. It's not like this is mlg's first online qualifier. I just don't understand how there can be so many of these incidents.
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On April 22 2013 11:38 Rostam wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 11:34 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:31 stuchiu wrote:On April 22 2013 11:26 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:22 stuchiu wrote:On April 22 2013 11:18 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:17 ChaosShadow wrote:On April 22 2013 11:15 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:13 m4inbrain wrote:On April 22 2013 11:11 AgentW wrote:
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Frankly, HwangSin shouldn't have been playing Miya by this logic. I think people aren't giving MLG credit for correcting things instead of letting them run incorrectly. Rigging brackets is "correcting things" now? If people played the wrong persons, just creating a bracket by hand willy nilly is not the way to fix it. Re-doing the whole thing would be, but not arbitrary changing the brackets as it fits best. But that's not what they did. They had guys who lost in the winner's round drop down to play people in that same bracket in the loser's round. That's clearly a misstep, and they corrected it. Do you think that MLG rigged this so Quantic could teamkill? Maybe so, but that then calls into question the validity of the whole tournament due to swapping of players and brackets after games had already been played and people had already been knocked out. The only fair way of doing something like swapping entire brackets would be to re-do everything. That's fair, but we live in a world in which that doesn't work logistically. In my opinion, they did what was best at the point at which they had discovered their error. The first day of Premier WCS NA is on April 29. They could have just re-run the qualifier with enough time. So what about the players that qualified, they just lose out because a hacker played in the event? Or because a Hyun played when he wasn't supposed to? Or because Comm used an account he wasn't supposed to? If we want to talk about not fair, that would be the worst thing MLG could to players who did nothing wrong. Keep playing out the bracket as if it's an MLG and have the top 4 qualify or something like that. Make another new qualifier for the other 4. I don't think that is an option and its not really any of the other players fault that all this happened. MLG didn't know all these people were going to do this crazy shit. Yeah, poor MLG, they really ran the event so well with no mistakes whatsoever. Just bad luck all this shit happened to them.
Sorry, am I raining on your MLG hate parade by pointing out that all this shit was caused by players being idiots?
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On April 22 2013 11:37 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 11:36 QuanticHwangSin wrote:On April 22 2013 11:34 Shellshock1122 wrote:On April 22 2013 11:33 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:31 QuanticHwangSin wrote:On April 22 2013 11:28 Shellshock1122 wrote:I SOLVED THE CASE OF THE BROKEN BRACKETThe current bracket is actually how it is supposed to be. If you look at winners' round 6 from top to bottom, you see that the players eliminated were: JYP, Sage, hendralisk, Miya, Badcop, Apocalypse, Demuslim, and Petraeus. These players were then dropped into losers' round 10 but arranged in the opposite order. Top bracket to bottom: Patraeus, Demuslim, etc... However, the original bracket swapped Miya and Apocalypse. MLG corrected this mistake and the bracket they used tonight was correct. Sorry Hwangsin. You were supposed to play Apocalypse the whole time Can you explain me why I needed to play against apoc for whole time?? I just want to know it When people dropped down from Winner Round 6, they came in in an order 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 and then they arranged them to play 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 (they flipped them so no one would play someone they already played, I think). They accidentally put it something like 8 7 6 4 5 3 2 1 (mixing up Miya and Apoc) so they had you playing Miya instead of Apoc. Can someone confirm this? they accidentally did it 8 7 4 5 6 3 2 1 instead of 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 but yes what you are saying is correct so, what is the real story then? am I wrong in this situation?? if I am, i will say sorry for make you confused. MLG is right and you were supposed to play Apocalypse Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 11:37 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:33 Shellshock1122 wrote:On April 22 2013 11:31 QuanticHwangSin wrote:On April 22 2013 11:28 Shellshock1122 wrote:I SOLVED THE CASE OF THE BROKEN BRACKETThe current bracket is actually how it is supposed to be. If you look at winners' round 6 from top to bottom, you see that the players eliminated were: JYP, Sage, hendralisk, Miya, Badcop, Apocalypse, Demuslim, and Petraeus. These players were then dropped into losers' round 10 but arranged in the opposite order. Top bracket to bottom: Patraeus, Demuslim, etc... However, the original bracket swapped Miya and Apocalypse. MLG corrected this mistake and the bracket they used tonight was correct. Sorry Hwangsin. You were supposed to play Apocalypse the whole time Can you explain me why I needed to play against apoc for whole time?? I just want to know it When the bracket was generated Miya and Apocalypse were put in the wrong spot. Apocalypse was supposed to be in your bracket and Miya was supposed to be in Heart's. This pattern is consistent with the rest of the seeding in the round. You had to play the person who lost between Apocalyse and Crank in the winners' bracket, and it was Apocalypse. Sorry you had to play your friend So was the error on Liquipedia's end or MGLs? I am going to laugh real hard if someone just fucked on updating Liquipedia and it cause everyone to go all conspiracy theory on MLG. not sure. could be either one
ah okay, sorry for make you busy with this.
I was preparing for play against Miya for whole night and even I was dreaming that i play PvZ with a strategy.
But then I needed to play against Apoc who is one of my best friend in the world, also team member.
I really wanted to him make a spot on premier with great performance but when I saw the changed bracket, I was like "wtf is it.... wtf.. wtf..... " I couldn't think anything then, I and Apoc are really need to win something like WCS since we have no Dreamhack, GSL etc.
but anyway, If MLG was correct, I want to say sorry.
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But that still doesn't make any of what caused these problems their fault.
And so it starts again. F'ing up brackets and letting Hyun compete was of course not their fault. It was mine. I apologize.
ah okay, sorry for make you busy with this.
I was preparing for play against Miya for whole night and even I was dreaming that i play PvZ with a strategy.
But then I needed to play against Apoc who is one of my best friend in the world, also team member.
I really wanted to him make a spot on premier with great performance but when I saw the changed bracket, I was like "wtf is it.... wtf.. wtf..... " I couldn't think anything then, I and Apoc are really need to win something like WCS since we have no Dreamhack, GSL etc.
but anyway, If MLG was correct, I want to say sorry.
No need to apologize, you're right to be angry. Especially because you prepared for something, which was rendered useless by MLGs mistake.
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On April 22 2013 11:39 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 11:36 s3rp wrote:On April 22 2013 11:34 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:31 stuchiu wrote:On April 22 2013 11:26 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:22 stuchiu wrote:On April 22 2013 11:18 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:17 ChaosShadow wrote:On April 22 2013 11:15 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:13 m4inbrain wrote:
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Rigging brackets is "correcting things" now? If people played the wrong persons, just creating a bracket by hand willy nilly is not the way to fix it. Re-doing the whole thing would be, but not arbitrary changing the brackets as it fits best. But that's not what they did. They had guys who lost in the winner's round drop down to play people in that same bracket in the loser's round. That's clearly a misstep, and they corrected it. Do you think that MLG rigged this so Quantic could teamkill? Maybe so, but that then calls into question the validity of the whole tournament due to swapping of players and brackets after games had already been played and people had already been knocked out. The only fair way of doing something like swapping entire brackets would be to re-do everything. That's fair, but we live in a world in which that doesn't work logistically. In my opinion, they did what was best at the point at which they had discovered their error. The first day of Premier WCS NA is on April 29. They could have just re-run the qualifier with enough time. So what about the players that qualified, they just lose out because a hacker played in the event? Or because a Hyun played when he wasn't supposed to? Or because Comm used an account he wasn't supposed to? If we want to talk about not fair, that would be the worst thing MLG could to players who did nothing wrong. Keep playing out the bracket as if it's an MLG and have the top 4 qualify or something like that. Make another new qualifier for the other 4. I don't think that is an option and its not really any of the other players fault that all this happened. MLG didn't know all these people were going to do this crazy shit. Should have had more people running the tournament then so potential problem can be identified and dealt with earlier. Or run more than 1 fucking tournament for the whole damn qualifier. That is a valid argument or over more days. But live and learn. But that still doesn't make any of what caused these problems their fault. I don't know how to prepare for an professional player trying to qualify on someone else's account. That is just so stupid I still can't believe they tried it.
U should prepare ur organisation to except pro's/GM/masters first (without cap)! so they do not have to do this sort of shit.
Edit : they play this game for a living, its there job.. these qualifications have ruined alot for some.. u could think about that..
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On April 22 2013 11:41 QuanticHwangSin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 11:37 Shellshock1122 wrote:On April 22 2013 11:36 QuanticHwangSin wrote:On April 22 2013 11:34 Shellshock1122 wrote:On April 22 2013 11:33 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:31 QuanticHwangSin wrote:On April 22 2013 11:28 Shellshock1122 wrote:I SOLVED THE CASE OF THE BROKEN BRACKETThe current bracket is actually how it is supposed to be. If you look at winners' round 6 from top to bottom, you see that the players eliminated were: JYP, Sage, hendralisk, Miya, Badcop, Apocalypse, Demuslim, and Petraeus. These players were then dropped into losers' round 10 but arranged in the opposite order. Top bracket to bottom: Patraeus, Demuslim, etc... However, the original bracket swapped Miya and Apocalypse. MLG corrected this mistake and the bracket they used tonight was correct. Sorry Hwangsin. You were supposed to play Apocalypse the whole time Can you explain me why I needed to play against apoc for whole time?? I just want to know it When people dropped down from Winner Round 6, they came in in an order 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 and then they arranged them to play 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 (they flipped them so no one would play someone they already played, I think). They accidentally put it something like 8 7 6 4 5 3 2 1 (mixing up Miya and Apoc) so they had you playing Miya instead of Apoc. Can someone confirm this? they accidentally did it 8 7 4 5 6 3 2 1 instead of 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 but yes what you are saying is correct so, what is the real story then? am I wrong in this situation?? if I am, i will say sorry for make you confused. MLG is right and you were supposed to play Apocalypse On April 22 2013 11:37 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:33 Shellshock1122 wrote:On April 22 2013 11:31 QuanticHwangSin wrote:On April 22 2013 11:28 Shellshock1122 wrote:I SOLVED THE CASE OF THE BROKEN BRACKETThe current bracket is actually how it is supposed to be. If you look at winners' round 6 from top to bottom, you see that the players eliminated were: JYP, Sage, hendralisk, Miya, Badcop, Apocalypse, Demuslim, and Petraeus. These players were then dropped into losers' round 10 but arranged in the opposite order. Top bracket to bottom: Patraeus, Demuslim, etc... However, the original bracket swapped Miya and Apocalypse. MLG corrected this mistake and the bracket they used tonight was correct. Sorry Hwangsin. You were supposed to play Apocalypse the whole time Can you explain me why I needed to play against apoc for whole time?? I just want to know it When the bracket was generated Miya and Apocalypse were put in the wrong spot. Apocalypse was supposed to be in your bracket and Miya was supposed to be in Heart's. This pattern is consistent with the rest of the seeding in the round. You had to play the person who lost between Apocalyse and Crank in the winners' bracket, and it was Apocalypse. Sorry you had to play your friend So was the error on Liquipedia's end or MGLs? I am going to laugh real hard if someone just fucked on updating Liquipedia and it cause everyone to go all conspiracy theory on MLG. not sure. could be either one ah okay, sorry for make you busy with this. I was preparing for play against Miya for whole night and even I was dreaming that i play PvZ with a strategy. But then I needed to play against Apoc who is one of my best friend in the world, also team member. I really wanted to him make a spot on premier with great performance but when I saw the changed bracket, I was like "wtf is it.... wtf.. wtf..... " I couldn't think anything then, I and Apoc are really need to win something like WCS since we have no Dreamhack, GSL etc. but anyway, If MLG was correct, I want to say sorry.
Dude, no. You saw that you were playing Miya because the bracket said you were playing Miya. The original bracket you saw was an MLG mistake. They corrected their mistake and that's why the new bracket faced you off against Apoc. You have done NOTHING wrong. MLG owe you, Miya, Apoc & anyone else who was effected by this bracket screw up an apology.
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