EPTalso, if youre going for a reactor hellion vs it, dont go for the 2 base timing push. lings deal with tanks extremely well. just get quicker medivacs and drop instead while taking a 3rd.
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DoubleDouble
United States106 Posts
also, if youre going for a reactor hellion vs it, dont go for the 2 base timing push. lings deal with tanks extremely well. just get quicker medivacs and drop instead while taking a 3rd. | ||
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VoirDire
Sweden1923 Posts
Mvp went for 3 rax into blueflame hellion iirc. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
you can drop if you want but its really not necessary. with only lings you cant spread creep or take a third vs 8 hellions. vs muta ling bane terran cant do this because if you make that many hellions you cant hold a muta/ling/bane attack after taking your third, but with ling infestor the potential attack comes later and you can secure the third base. with the late third theres then no way zerg can hold that timing attack before their hive tech is up. if you really wanna bet on them doing ling infestor just do any kind of blue hellion + marine attack, but if they have banes they can defend that and you're behind. no banes and freewin though. | ||
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DarKcS
Australia1237 Posts
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
When the zerg see the 8 hellions, what keep them from switching style and go into Mutabane ? The only thing they already commited into is often only the second Evo Chamber i think. It's nice to see you write again in Startegy forum Idra btw. Pro's insight are great. | ||
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beefITek
France54 Posts
make 8 hellion right but how do u know zerg is not going to fast roaches lings push ? going to blue flame hellion ok but u have to knowhis tech before u start to get into ur build... i mean, terran have a plan, and his BO is determined quite fast, at 6,7 or 8 minutes maybe, but with the 4 first hellion u cant know if zerg is going mass slings upgrades directly to infest, or lings banelings .. u can catch his tech with a scan around 10 ... i mean, if u planned to go 4 hellion then switch to tank marines, what element can help u to know that he will not go to lings banes, then maybe mutas, but only fukin slings +1 that will rape ur little marine tank army blue flame are great against this, but if u didnt plan, from the begin to go straight to them .. its a bit to late i think for example, the Mvp push against nestea BF hellion and marine, was planned since the beginning of the game, and was not an adaptation of what he saw .. so if u go to this BO, and zerg just go roaches lings at 7 min ? u're dead .. funny ^^ | ||
Poopi
France13011 Posts
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Oliveran
Sweden72 Posts
Turrets at all bases, and _TONS_ of tanks. Get like, instead of six tanks 6*4 = 24) and the rest marines, get like twelve tanks and the rest marines. No lings can run in there. Get marauders as well! | ||
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jonaa
Netherlands151 Posts
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VoirDire
Sweden1923 Posts
On January 19 2012 22:24 Oliveran wrote: I'll just tell you a general thing that _WRECKS_ infestor/ling: Turrets at all bases, and _TONS_ of tanks. Get like, instead of six tanks 6*4 = 24) and the rest marines, get like twelve tanks and the rest marines. No lings can run in there. Get marauders as well! Upgraded lings are the counter to the 2 fac tank style (that's used to counter baneling heavy compositions). Obviously you can't attack 12 sieged tanks straight on. But with the superior mobility of mass ling, especially compared to tank heavy compositions, you can often flank him unsieged while he's in transition. You can engage a small number of sieged tanks by using infested terrans to absorb the first tank shots. | ||
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Thylacine
Sweden882 Posts
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JoeAWESOME
Sweden1080 Posts
It's also very easy to die to some early marine + blue flame hellion push. I think Stephano lost to MVP in that way on Shakuras. | ||
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ThePlayer33
Australia2378 Posts
banshee harass also work wonders as theres no muta to clean up. | ||
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decaf
Austria1797 Posts
On January 19 2012 20:46 IdrA wrote: against someone who always play that style just go reactor hellion expo, make 8 hellions to prevent a third and creep spread. take 3 bases, 4 on some maps where its easy to defend, make sure you have turrets to watch for infestor attacks. turtle and make a marine/marauder/tank army with a few medivacs and attack move a minute after their hive finishes. you can drop if you want but its really not necessary. with only lings you cant spread creep or take a third vs 8 hellions. vs muta ling bane terran cant do this because if you make that many hellions you cant hold a muta/ling/bane attack after taking your third, but with ling infestor the potential attack comes later and you can secure the third base. with the late third theres then no way zerg can hold that timing attack before their hive tech is up. if you really wanna bet on them doing ling infestor just do any kind of blue hellion + marine attack, but if they have banes they can defend that and you're behind. no banes and freewin though. Thanks for that. Only thing that's still missing for me is this one, very important scenario: I do the typical 6hellion fast third by mvp and my (ladder) opponent goes infestors instead of a spire. I feel like by the time I scout that he's going infestors it's already too late to adjust to that kind of play reasonably well. There won't be a reactor on my factory anymore and I won't have blue flame researched. Due to me investing that much into 6hellions and a second expansion I won't be able to do any pressure for a very long time. Zerg is free to double expand after dealing with my initial hellions and then mass infestors and tech to hive. Double upgraded lings supported by infestors rip through terran armies if it's backed up by a much better economy (which the zerg will have if he scouted what I was doing). Zreg could even go for a 2base all in with a macro hatch and double upgraded lings and a few infestors like nestea did vs mvp on shak in blizzcon. I'm still lacking the right transition. 8hellions and blue flame only works if I know my opponent, whereas the banshee thing darkforce mentioned is more applicable I think. Really no idea what to do, since I don't have any replays displaying a straight win for terran doing the 6hellion fast 3rd build vs a ling infestor player. edit: one more thing: could you elaborate a bit more on why 8hellions would not be able to deal with muta ling bane, but 6hellions can? It doesn't look like there's much difference. (not sure if 6hellions can thinking about the 2 base all in nestea did vs mvp on entombed valley in gsl, but let's say they can). | ||
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orangesunglasses
United States110 Posts
the earlier prementioned vikings are a big deal actually. it will kill at least a few overlords and pave the way for drops. tough to do banshee and drops so one or the other will do wonders (i lean toward viking drop) | ||
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