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On May 23 2013 08:56 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2013 08:52 Shellshock1122 wrote:On May 23 2013 08:49 Shellshock1122 wrote:0:00  Suppy spawns in the bottom left Revival spawns in the top right 2:00 pool first for both players Hatch for both players gas for Suppy 3:00 drones and queens 4:00 ling speed for Suppy ling scouts the main of Suppy and sees him mining gas still baneling nest for Suppy 5:00 double evo for Revival Roach warren for Revival spine in the natural for Suppy 4 gas for Revival 6:00 3rd base for Suppy ling gets into the natural and main of Revival Lair for Revival Lair for Suppy evo for Suppy 2 more gas for Suppy 7:00 +1 carapace for Revival Roach warren for Suppy +1 range attack for Revival +1 range attack for Suppy Roaches started for Revival 8:00 Roach speed for Revival Roach speed for Suppy 3rd base for Revival Roaches started for Suppy 9:00 2nd evo for Suppy +2 carapace for Revival 10:00 Revival starting to pump out roaches while Suppy makes some more drones +2 range attack for Suppy +1carapace for suppy +2 range attack started for Revival
11:00
Hydralisk den for Revival
Hydralisk den for Suppy
3 more gas for suppy
Hydra range started for Revival
12:00
Hydra production startedf or Revival
Revival 25 supply ahead
4th base for Revival
Hydra range started for SUppy
4th base for Suppy
hydras started for Suppy
Revival starting to move out on the map
13:00
Revival is maxed vs 173 supply
Revival moving towards the 4th of Suppy after scouting it with his overseer
Hydra speed started for Revival
+2 carapace for Suppy
ling runby to the 4th of Revival is cleaned up
main army of Revival pushes into the 4th of Suppy and forces a cancel
Revival almost moves up to the ramp into Suppy's 3rd but backs off
14:00
Hydra speed for Suppy
infestation pit for Revival
Suppy taking his 4th in the bottom center now instead of left center
both players are maxed
infestation pit for Suppy
Hive for Revival
pathogen glands for Revival
burrow research for Revival
15:00
Roaches kill the building 4th of Suppy
Suppy restarts the center left base
armies engage outside the natural of Suppy
+2 carapace hasnt finished for Suppy yet
Revival pushing Suppy into his 3rd
Suppy is able to hold but Revival has a 30 supply lead
Hive for suppy
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On May 23 2013 08:51 Elitios wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2013 08:47 c0sm0naut wrote:On May 23 2013 08:44 Oboeman wrote:
suppy goes full foreigner beating the korean!!!
revival... throws away lead attacking into choke. your lead wasn't THAT big revival.
also i hate revival's build. it has been popular on ladder for ages, and it sucks. i just run lings straight up his butt as soon as roaches move out and either base trade or barely defend while counterattacking. no ling speed and no baneling nest is just way too vulnerable. i agree, i will kill this build with speedlings every time. good amount of speedlings can contain them well, they finally get out AND cover their wall,, by then i have mutalisks. i think not using nydus with this build is a mistake Can you make a wild prediction and tell me that roach wars are doomed to disappear? please :o I don't mind the positionning game, but other than that it's more boring that mutas vs mutas ;_;
no.
but builds where you skip ling speed and baneling nest are doomed to disappear.
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Suppy's reaction to the 2base roach opener was so freaking weird, gg.
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On May 23 2013 09:00 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2013 08:56 Shellshock1122 wrote:On May 23 2013 08:52 Shellshock1122 wrote:On May 23 2013 08:49 Shellshock1122 wrote:0:00 Suppy spawns in the bottom left Revival spawns in the top right 2:00 pool first for both players Hatch for both players gas for Suppy 3:00 drones and queens 4:00 ling speed for Suppy ling scouts the main of Suppy and sees him mining gas still baneling nest for Suppy 5:00 double evo for Revival Roach warren for Revival spine in the natural for Suppy 4 gas for Revival 6:00 3rd base for Suppy ling gets into the natural and main of Revival Lair for Revival Lair for Suppy evo for Suppy 2 more gas for Suppy 7:00 +1 carapace for Revival Roach warren for Suppy +1 range attack for Revival +1 range attack for Suppy Roaches started for Revival 8:00 Roach speed for Revival Roach speed for Suppy 3rd base for Revival Roaches started for Suppy 9:00 2nd evo for Suppy +2 carapace for Revival 10:00 Revival starting to pump out roaches while Suppy makes some more drones +2 range attack for Suppy +1carapace for suppy +2 range attack started for Revival 11:00 Hydralisk den for Revival Hydralisk den for Suppy 3 more gas for suppy Hydra range started for Revival 12:00 Hydra production startedf or Revival Revival 25 supply ahead 4th base for Revival Hydra range started for SUppy 4th base for Suppy hydras started for Suppy Revival starting to move out on the map 13:00 Revival is maxed vs 173 supply Revival moving towards the 4th of Suppy after scouting it with his overseer Hydra speed started for Revival +2 carapace for Suppy ling runby to the 4th of Revival is cleaned up main army of Revival pushes into the 4th of Suppy and forces a cancel Revival almost moves up to the ramp into Suppy's 3rd but backs off 14:00 Hydra speed for Suppy infestation pit for Revival Suppy taking his 4th in the bottom center now instead of left center both players are maxed infestation pit for Suppy Hive for Revival pathogen glands for Revival burrow research for Revival 15:00 Roaches kill the building 4th of Suppy Suppy restarts the center left base armies engage outside the natural of Suppy +2 carapace hasnt finished for Suppy yet Revival pushing Suppy into his 3rd Suppy is able to hold but Revival has a 30 supply lead Hive for suppy
16:00
Suppy chasing Revival across the map
engagment again int he middle of the map but Revival has too much
Suppy starting to retreat now
Revival 40 supply ahead now
17:00
a few roaches runby to the center left base of Suppy but suppy sends some to deal with it
Revival moves into the 3rd of Suppy with his main army
Suppy has a good concave but not enough units
Revival takes the concave now and crushes the army of Suppy
Revival moves into the 3rd with a 60 supply lead
Suppy ggs!
Revival ties the series 1-1!
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Ace match. I smell mutas.
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I hope today's stream doesn't end up lasting for 8 hours.
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On May 23 2013 09:00 Oboeman wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2013 08:51 Elitios wrote:On May 23 2013 08:47 c0sm0naut wrote:On May 23 2013 08:44 Oboeman wrote:
suppy goes full foreigner beating the korean!!!
revival... throws away lead attacking into choke. your lead wasn't THAT big revival.
also i hate revival's build. it has been popular on ladder for ages, and it sucks. i just run lings straight up his butt as soon as roaches move out and either base trade or barely defend while counterattacking. no ling speed and no baneling nest is just way too vulnerable. i agree, i will kill this build with speedlings every time. good amount of speedlings can contain them well, they finally get out AND cover their wall,, by then i have mutalisks. i think not using nydus with this build is a mistake Can you make a wild prediction and tell me that roach wars are doomed to disappear? please :o I don't mind the positionning game, but other than that it's more boring that mutas vs mutas ;_; no. but builds where you skip ling speed and baneling nest are doomed to disappear.
yeah i agree
speedling timings are in right now and roaches are out, i have trouble surviving speedling all ins even with banes/speed with an early lair, i have no idea how revival manages to hold that.
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On May 23 2013 08:53 GreyKnight wrote:
Revivals games seem to involve him tossing huge leads.
nobody should find that surprising if they've watched proleague at all
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these are some awful games... suppy is playing utter crap really. He sees this build but doesn't drone up at all... He is undersaturated on 2 bases early on, takes a third and drones way too late...
The double evo should really be countered by massive droning..
Revival's play isn't too stellar either, that opening can easily be a abused by a top zerg just going greedy third
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Current ZvZ is just ughhh I am not sure if I prefer this to Muta Wars, really hard to even tell who wins battles until the very end, the units are boring to watch fight, and just bleh strategies.
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I'm starting to miss Muta vs. Muta already 
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On May 23 2013 09:03 DeathProfessor wrote:
Current ZvZ is just ughhh I am not sure if I prefer this to Muta Wars, really hard to even tell who wins battles until the very end, the units are boring to watch fight, and just bleh strategies.
You think this is bad eh? Wait until mutas are no longer viable/common and get ready for some really exciting swarmhost vs swarmhost action with mass static defense. It seems to be what most people want anyway (for some weird reason  ).
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Man, I wish all of these guys could advance. Shame HerO, Suppy, Scarlett, and Revival ended up in the same group.
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Suppy reacted weird. if he can look at this after I think he can adapt but he was reading this weird.
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Poll: Recommend Game 1 Suppy vs Revival?No (3) 60% Yes (1) 20% If you have time (1) 20% 5 total votes Your vote: Recommend Game 1 Suppy vs Revival? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): If you have time
(Vote): No
Poll: Recommend Game 2 Suppy vs Revival?No (5) 83% If you have time (1) 17% Yes (0) 0% 6 total votes Your vote: Recommend Game 2 Suppy vs Revival? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): If you have time
(Vote): No
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On May 23 2013 09:03 DeathProfessor wrote:
Current ZvZ is just ughhh I am not sure if I prefer this to Muta Wars, really hard to even tell who wins battles until the very end, the units are boring to watch fight, and just bleh strategies.
the history of zvz.
buff infestors
nerf infestors
buff mutalisks
nerf mutalisks.
we are literally back where it all started 3 years ago.
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On May 23 2013 09:07 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2013 09:03 DeathProfessor wrote:
Current ZvZ is just ughhh I am not sure if I prefer this to Muta Wars, really hard to even tell who wins battles until the very end, the units are boring to watch fight, and just bleh strategies. the history of zvz. buff infestors nerf infestors buff mutalisks nerf mutalisks. we are literally back where it all started 3 years ago.
well we arent quite right at the start. people can at least get through the ling bane phase :/
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