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Duka08
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
3391 Posts
November 06 2013 03:32 GMT
#2041
On November 06 2013 11:02 dudeman001 wrote:
After pondering about warlords of draenor I think blizzard may use that as an expansion set of cards to hearthstone over a new WoW expansion

This was my hunch as well, I was just waiting to see. I don't think it's WoW.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-06 08:42:20
November 06 2013 08:41 GMT
#2042
3 days until we find out :D
But are the Draeni people in wow the ones who fled Outland due to all the bad that was happening there? The gods of draenor would line up the 5th expansion which is about the return of TBC bosses that weren't killed?
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18869 Posts
November 06 2013 08:45 GMT
#2043
Yes, they are Pan, I'm almost certain WOD is going to be the next WoW expansion. The player base has been raving about BC since WOTLK came out.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Thorakh
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands1788 Posts
November 06 2013 10:09 GMT
#2044
I'm pretty sure Warlords of Draenor is not a WoW expansion. The name just doesn't sound expansion-ish.
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
November 06 2013 10:26 GMT
#2045
On November 06 2013 19:09 Thorakh wrote:
I'm pretty sure Warlords of Draenor is not a WoW expansion. The name just doesn't sound expansion-ish.


Mist of Pandaria didn't sound like it either... So ... could be. I don't know what i want from wow now. I've been trying to get to 90 so i tried the mop zones and i just don't enjoy it. It's dumb quest with silly objectives and reward (really ? I do a quest and you give me a pet that i can summon just to kick in it ?).

So the only thing i hope with the next exepension. Dragons (real ones not carnival ones) and dragons, some demons and dragons :p
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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
November 06 2013 10:34 GMT
#2046
Lol if the next expansion is based on gods of draenor it will be based around silly Draeni again xD
And probably belfs, pretty belfs xD
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Haedley
Profile Joined November 2013
Germany28 Posts
November 06 2013 10:46 GMT
#2047
No like anyone would still play this terrible Casual-MMO.

User was banned for this post.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-06 10:47:54
November 06 2013 10:47 GMT
#2048
Well clearly 103 pages of comments say otherwise
Or the 10million or so players still paying to play it.
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Haedley
Profile Joined November 2013
Germany28 Posts
November 06 2013 11:08 GMT
#2049
10M have not payed to play it for years! Of the 7M Players at least 5M are from Asia and there is no 15$/Month Sub-System. At least in china you have to buy Timecards so Blizzard does not get that much money after the Cut to the Chinese Company.

And since Casualysm the Game has just become terrible. They even patched out the Skill-Trees wtf!
Thorakh
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands1788 Posts
November 06 2013 11:15 GMT
#2050
On November 06 2013 20:08 Haedley wrote:
10M have not payed to play it for years! Of the 7M Players at least 5M are from Asia and there is no 15$/Month Sub-System. At least in china you have to buy Timecards so Blizzard does not get that much money after the Cut to the Chinese Company.

And since Casualysm the Game has just become terrible. They even patched out the Skill-Trees wtf!
wtf omg you opened my eyes im going to stop paying for this terrible game!
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-06 11:25:45
November 06 2013 11:24 GMT
#2051
On November 06 2013 19:46 Haedley wrote:
No like anyone would still play this terrible Casual-MMO.


Hahahaha that was funny it's the most played MMO in the world. And wtf with asia ? So it's played in Asia so you don't count them and so there is no one playing ? You can buy time cards in Europe now too... you don't have to pay subscription. For that matter time card and subscription is... hum... the same ?

The game is not that good yeah. But i don't know what is it with casual hater... Why do you hate casual games ? I don't even know the name of a recent game that is not casual
#1 KT Rolster fanboy. KT BEST KT ! Hail to KT playoffs Zergs ! Unofficial french translator for SlayerS_`Boxer` biography "Crazy as me".
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
November 06 2013 11:44 GMT
#2052
On November 06 2013 20:08 Haedley wrote:
10M have not payed to play it for years! Of the 7M Players at least 5M are from Asia and there is no 15$/Month Sub-System. At least in china you have to buy Timecards so Blizzard does not get that much money after the Cut to the Chinese Company.

And since Casualysm the Game has just become terrible. They even patched out the Skill-Trees wtf!


LOL this is like worst debate ever.
"10M have to payed to play it for years" lololol ok sure, because playing WoW for free is able to happen how? If your buy time card or if you buy subscription your paying BLIZZARD. The money you pay on top goes to the seller.
Hell when "casualclysm" came out what did they do to fix the money issue with players. Incite them all to sign up for a 12 month subscription base which a hell of a lot of people did. Then Panda hit and the player base jumped back up again.
It has dropped down again the last couple of weeks due to the expansion being over now, people have killed Garrosh and there is other games releasing which is standard for this time of year. It currently resides around 7.7million active subscriptions.
That number will shoot back up once the new expansion hits next year.

7.7million x£8.99 x$12.99 = £69,223,000 or $100,023,000 in revenue PER MONTH, if a game isn't "successful" surviving off that a MONTH then there is huge issues
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Warri
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany3208 Posts
November 06 2013 14:41 GMT
#2053
On November 06 2013 20:08 Haedley wrote:
They even patched out the Skill-Trees wtf!

I too thought this is a bad thing, but then i played the game and enjoyed it, because unlike before, you know have to adapt your skills to every boss. Theres not much room for customizing, but you play the bosses differently, which is better. In the end, there was a cookiecutter build for every spec anyway, so you either sticked to that or you were a scrub who doesnt do damage. I like it the way it is now.

For example: I play shadow priest. Each class has 6 tiers of skills, which each have 3 different options.
For Thok, i ignore the first tier, because thats more pvp relevant. In the second tier i use feathers, because you can have 3 of them at a time and they give a greater speed boost for longer time. This is essential in the encounter because the boss chases random people around. In the third tier i spec From Darkness comes light, this gives me instant cast procs, which is usually a dps loss compared to the third option, but on this boss its impossible to cast a full mindflay because he counterspells every second and you also have to run a lot. In the forth tier it doesnt really matter, this one is pure preference. I prefer bulwark because its a passive skill and i have one less button to press, but it also prevents me frm dying to his high damage nukes that i wouldnt be able to react with a manual heal. In the fifth tier i go Divine insight, because it also gives me instant cast procs, just for a different spell. This is the to go option for 90% of the bosses, but there are exceptions. In the sixth tier i go Divine star. This is a dps loss compared to halo, but its a 15second cooldown spell which heals everyone in line between me and the boss for up to 200k. In this encounter it is required to stand together and he has very high damage so it helps the healers a lot.
Now we kill thok and go to the very next boss in the dungeon: Blackfuse! What skills do i change? every single one(except for the first tier which is a pvp tier).
I dont need feathers for blackfuse, so i go body and soul, which gives me a speed boost whenever i cast a shield on myself (or others). Then i get solace and insanity instead of FDCL, because i dont need the instant procs which are a dps loss compared to solace, when i have plenty of time to cast a full mindflay. Also, this boss has an ability that some classes can dodge, like rogues with their vanish, hunters with feint death and also priests, with guise, which i skill instead of the bulwark which would have granted me heal. in the next tier i go Twist of Fate, because this boss is add heavy i can have 90%+ uptime of this buff, which is a huge dps boost comapred to Divine Insight. In the last tier i go halo, which is the go to dps option when the boss has adds but they are stacked together so cascade doesnt do full damage.

You see, this were just 2 bosses, not only do the bosses have different abilities, but i myself have different abilities for the bosses. This brings more variety and more fun. And im just a shadow priest, i only have one damage spec. Just imagine how much pure dps classes can change in playstyle between bosses!
DiLiGu
Profile Joined December 2011
United States185 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-06 15:09:39
November 06 2013 15:08 GMT
#2054
On November 02 2013 05:51 Disengaged wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2013 04:51 imJealous wrote:
I'll just leave this here...

http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/3499-Blizzard-Trademarks-Warlords-of-Draenor-WoW-Expansion


I'll just wait until Blizzcon.

Nothing is true until it comes from the mouths of Blizzard themselves.


This is how we found out about Cata AND MoP.

Too early for Hearthstone, but who knows. Maybe Warcraft 4?

I was pretty sure they wouldn't do another xpac after MoP, does anyone even play anymore?
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
November 06 2013 15:12 GMT
#2055
On November 06 2013 23:41 Warri wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2013 20:08 Haedley wrote:
They even patched out the Skill-Trees wtf!

I too thought this is a bad thing, but then i played the game and enjoyed it, because unlike before, you know have to adapt your skills to every boss. Theres not much room for customizing, but you play the bosses differently, which is better. In the end, there was a cookiecutter build for every spec anyway, so you either sticked to that or you were a scrub who doesnt do damage. I like it the way it is now.

For example: I play shadow priest. Each class has 6 tiers of skills, which each have 3 different options.
For Thok, i ignore the first tier, because thats more pvp relevant. In the second tier i use feathers, because you can have 3 of them at a time and they give a greater speed boost for longer time. This is essential in the encounter because the boss chases random people around. In the third tier i spec From Darkness comes light, this gives me instant cast procs, which is usually a dps loss compared to the third option, but on this boss its impossible to cast a full mindflay because he counterspells every second and you also have to run a lot. In the forth tier it doesnt really matter, this one is pure preference. I prefer bulwark because its a passive skill and i have one less button to press, but it also prevents me frm dying to his high damage nukes that i wouldnt be able to react with a manual heal. In the fifth tier i go Divine insight, because it also gives me instant cast procs, just for a different spell. This is the to go option for 90% of the bosses, but there are exceptions. In the sixth tier i go Divine star. This is a dps loss compared to halo, but its a 15second cooldown spell which heals everyone in line between me and the boss for up to 200k. In this encounter it is required to stand together and he has very high damage so it helps the healers a lot.
Now we kill thok and go to the very next boss in the dungeon: Blackfuse! What skills do i change? every single one(except for the first tier which is a pvp tier).
I dont need feathers for blackfuse, so i go body and soul, which gives me a speed boost whenever i cast a shield on myself (or others). Then i get solace and insanity instead of FDCL, because i dont need the instant procs which are a dps loss compared to solace, when i have plenty of time to cast a full mindflay. Also, this boss has an ability that some classes can dodge, like rogues with their vanish, hunters with feint death and also priests, with guise, which i skill instead of the bulwark which would have granted me heal. in the next tier i go Twist of Fate, because this boss is add heavy i can have 90%+ uptime of this buff, which is a huge dps boost comapred to Divine Insight. In the last tier i go halo, which is the go to dps option when the boss has adds but they are stacked together so cascade doesnt do full damage.

You see, this were just 2 bosses, not only do the bosses have different abilities, but i myself have different abilities for the bosses. This brings more variety and more fun. And im just a shadow priest, i only have one damage spec. Just imagine how much pure dps classes can change in playstyle between bosses!


That was an interesting post. I don't play that much in group so i don't mind but if i do i'm definitly will try different stuff
#1 KT Rolster fanboy. KT BEST KT ! Hail to KT playoffs Zergs ! Unofficial french translator for SlayerS_`Boxer` biography "Crazy as me".
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
November 06 2013 15:26 GMT
#2056
On November 06 2013 23:41 Warri wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2013 20:08 Haedley wrote:
They even patched out the Skill-Trees wtf!

I too thought this is a bad thing, but then i played the game and enjoyed it, because unlike before, you know have to adapt your skills to every boss. Theres not much room for customizing, but you play the bosses differently, which is better. In the end, there was a cookiecutter build for every spec anyway, so you either sticked to that or you were a scrub who doesnt do damage. I like it the way it is now.

For example: I play shadow priest. Each class has 6 tiers of skills, which each have 3 different options.
For Thok, i ignore the first tier, because thats more pvp relevant. In the second tier i use feathers, because you can have 3 of them at a time and they give a greater speed boost for longer time. This is essential in the encounter because the boss chases random people around. In the third tier i spec From Darkness comes light, this gives me instant cast procs, which is usually a dps loss compared to the third option, but on this boss its impossible to cast a full mindflay because he counterspells every second and you also have to run a lot. In the forth tier it doesnt really matter, this one is pure preference. I prefer bulwark because its a passive skill and i have one less button to press, but it also prevents me frm dying to his high damage nukes that i wouldnt be able to react with a manual heal. In the fifth tier i go Divine insight, because it also gives me instant cast procs, just for a different spell. This is the to go option for 90% of the bosses, but there are exceptions. In the sixth tier i go Divine star. This is a dps loss compared to halo, but its a 15second cooldown spell which heals everyone in line between me and the boss for up to 200k. In this encounter it is required to stand together and he has very high damage so it helps the healers a lot.
Now we kill thok and go to the very next boss in the dungeon: Blackfuse! What skills do i change? every single one(except for the first tier which is a pvp tier).
I dont need feathers for blackfuse, so i go body and soul, which gives me a speed boost whenever i cast a shield on myself (or others). Then i get solace and insanity instead of FDCL, because i dont need the instant procs which are a dps loss compared to solace, when i have plenty of time to cast a full mindflay. Also, this boss has an ability that some classes can dodge, like rogues with their vanish, hunters with feint death and also priests, with guise, which i skill instead of the bulwark which would have granted me heal. in the next tier i go Twist of Fate, because this boss is add heavy i can have 90%+ uptime of this buff, which is a huge dps boost comapred to Divine Insight. In the last tier i go halo, which is the go to dps option when the boss has adds but they are stacked together so cascade doesnt do full damage.

You see, this were just 2 bosses, not only do the bosses have different abilities, but i myself have different abilities for the bosses. This brings more variety and more fun. And im just a shadow priest, i only have one damage spec. Just imagine how much pure dps classes can change in playstyle between bosses!


Exactly all the people who complain about the new "talent tiers" are the ones who have no idea about the new talent system or have even played since Vanilla xD
It is way better, you dont have 30 pointless talents to unlock 1 valuable skill you needed. You have a movement based line a big dps boost line, a survivability based line etc etc. All that can be fined tuned to your play style.
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Thorakh
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands1788 Posts
November 06 2013 15:31 GMT
#2057
I do miss the old talent trees though. Maybe they can work them back into the game somehow while still keeping the new system.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
November 06 2013 15:36 GMT
#2058
Well with new level cap being 100 next expansion you would think would be an extra 2 lines? I would hope so anyway, but im sure there will be definitely 1 more line.
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
DCRed
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland435 Posts
November 06 2013 16:05 GMT
#2059
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 06 2013 23:41 Warri wrote:
I too thought this is a bad thing, but then i played the game and enjoyed it, because unlike before, you know have to adapt your skills to every boss. Theres not much room for customizing, but you play the bosses differently, which is better. In the end, there was a cookiecutter build for every spec anyway, so you either sticked to that or you were a scrub who doesnt do damage. I like it the way it is now.

For example: I play shadow priest. Each class has 6 tiers of skills, which each have 3 different options.
For Thok, i ignore the first tier, because thats more pvp relevant. In the second tier i use feathers, because you can have 3 of them at a time and they give a greater speed boost for longer time. This is essential in the encounter because the boss chases random people around. In the third tier i spec From Darkness comes light, this gives me instant cast procs, which is usually a dps loss compared to the third option, but on this boss its impossible to cast a full mindflay because he counterspells every second and you also have to run a lot. In the forth tier it doesnt really matter, this one is pure preference. I prefer bulwark because its a passive skill and i have one less button to press, but it also prevents me frm dying to his high damage nukes that i wouldnt be able to react with a manual heal. In the fifth tier i go Divine insight, because it also gives me instant cast procs, just for a different spell. This is the to go option for 90% of the bosses, but there are exceptions. In the sixth tier i go Divine star. This is a dps loss compared to halo, but its a 15second cooldown spell which heals everyone in line between me and the boss for up to 200k. In this encounter it is required to stand together and he has very high damage so it helps the healers a lot.
Now we kill thok and go to the very next boss in the dungeon: Blackfuse! What skills do i change? every single one(except for the first tier which is a pvp tier).
I dont need feathers for blackfuse, so i go body and soul, which gives me a speed boost whenever i cast a shield on myself (or others). Then i get solace and insanity instead of FDCL, because i dont need the instant procs which are a dps loss compared to solace, when i have plenty of time to cast a full mindflay. Also, this boss has an ability that some classes can dodge, like rogues with their vanish, hunters with feint death and also priests, with guise, which i skill instead of the bulwark which would have granted me heal. in the next tier i go Twist of Fate, because this boss is add heavy i can have 90%+ uptime of this buff, which is a huge dps boost comapred to Divine Insight. In the last tier i go halo, which is the go to dps option when the boss has adds but they are stacked together so cascade doesnt do full damage.

You see, this were just 2 bosses, not only do the bosses have different abilities, but i myself have different abilities for the bosses. This brings more variety and more fun. And im just a shadow priest, i only have one damage spec. Just imagine how much pure dps classes can change in playstyle between bosses!


Your post is spot on about the talent system. I see few talent choices though which could be better as sp :p If you haven't heard about howtopriest.com I highly recommend you join what is the premium source of priest theorycrafting and everything, it's the only site you need for priest needs. Noxxic is bad site all around and you shouldn't use it, Icy Veins depends on class as some of their info is outdated for some classes.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
November 06 2013 16:50 GMT
#2060
On November 06 2013 19:26 FFW_Rude wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2013 19:09 Thorakh wrote:
I'm pretty sure Warlords of Draenor is not a WoW expansion. The name just doesn't sound expansion-ish.


Mist of Pandaria didn't sound like it either... So ... could be. I don't know what i want from wow now. I've been trying to get to 90 so i tried the mop zones and i just don't enjoy it. It's dumb quest with silly objectives and reward (really ? I do a quest and you give me a pet that i can summon just to kick in it ?).

So the only thing i hope with the next exepension. Dragons (real ones not carnival ones) and dragons, some demons and dragons :p

The difference is, Pandaria hadn't been explored, Draenor is the same as outland afaik.
Unless they have another planet(which they do, but noones seen besides the cutscenes in wc3) that the Draenai/Eredar are from then it doesnt make any sense for that to be a WoW expansion
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