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Gojira621
Profile Joined October 2010
United States374 Posts
December 10 2011 17:21 GMT
#181
lol. people are praising the new longer-league format system but hate on NASL for having a long season. Good job everyone. Regardless, I'm excited for the new GSL :D
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coolcor
Profile Joined February 2011
520 Posts
December 10 2011 18:03 GMT
#182
On December 11 2011 02:16 Xeris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2011 00:59 jellyjello wrote:
On December 11 2011 00:42 Seriox wrote:
On December 11 2011 00:29 Kieofire wrote:
On December 10 2011 22:55 Seriox wrote:
Why is there such a big decrease of the prizemoney? Is GOM in danger to go out of business? Really curious...


Where does it say that there is a decrease? It says Code S prize money stays the same and Code A prize money is increased. You might want to reread what the OP says.

Well, I think you got my point wrong. I mean the overall prizemoney in one year. Like, you said, the Code S prize money stays the same, but with less Code S seasons, it's a reduction of the prizemoney which is paid to the players. (in one year)
And without the ST and the WC they save even more money.

Thats why I'm so curious if GOM is in danger to go out of business..


Highly doubt GOM is losing money with their SC2 division. If anything, it has made their company even more popular since they are basically monopolizing the SC2 viewership in Korea.



You dont make those kinds of cuts unless you are losing money ...


Hmm I wonder how much blizzard is charging them to lose money promoting their game.

Maybe GOM needs to raise the subscription price even more. People on this forum need to support esports more if they want more prize money!

The only other option is to try to try make more money from increased add revenue by making vods cheaper/free for more views. But I doubt that would work so they should definitely be focusing on getting as much money as possible from the smaller group of fans willing to stay up late or pay lots of money to watch. Hope increased competition from free foreign tournaments with lots of Koreans doesn't make them lose subscriptions!
price
Profile Joined December 2010
United States297 Posts
December 10 2011 18:07 GMT
#183
i wonder if GSL would consider changing locations for seasons? is this just too expensive?
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mrbamboo
Profile Joined December 2010
United States415 Posts
December 10 2011 18:23 GMT
#184
My biggest disappointment is the new GSTL format does not lend itself well to having a fantasy league for it. That was a big part of what made the last GSTL season so fun for me.
Duravi
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1205 Posts
December 10 2011 18:27 GMT
#185
I'm surprised we haven't heard any outcry from the players yet. For the ones that do not make a salary this is essentially cutting their potential income in half, with no explanation as to why.
Bio-Leera
Profile Joined May 2010
United States65 Posts
December 10 2011 18:32 GMT
#186
you don't think they could do a fantasy league off of the 16 matches before final brackets?
Falconpauunch
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Korea (South)59 Posts
December 10 2011 18:41 GMT
#187
GSL looks to be shaping up nicely, I remember listening to SOTG and hearing some issues about how it's ran, but GSL is maintaining it's consistency, while making it more worthwhile.
:)
andrea20
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada441 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-10 18:47:19
December 10 2011 18:43 GMT
#188
Urgh, I don't like the GSTL change at all.

Round-robin was great, as it meant that teams couldn't rely on just one lucky upset. It also gave a more accurate representation of a team's strength. Double-elimination means that some teams will never face each other, and some will get a free ride into later rounds.

This definitely hurts the lower-skilled teams, as they'll go 0-2 and be eliminated, instead of playing 5 matches.

EDIT: And get rid of the winner's league format. Having it as a diversion is nice, but basing the entire league around it only hurts the up-and-coming players. Imagine if proleague were all winner's league... Flash Flash Flash~
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-10 18:49:43
December 10 2011 18:43 GMT
#189
On December 10 2011 19:53 thezanursic wrote:
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On December 10 2011 15:13 illsick wrote:
only 5 GSL's in 2012 and no WC or super tournament :/

And the prize pool is the same..n When I saw the mlg prov numbers and their promise of a larger prize pool I was like GSL has to step it up or the.best koreans will just go to the large prize pool foreigner events, I guess not tho.


Not necessarily a bad thing if the other majors step up the prize pool because you will get more Koreans showing up to those events and qualifiers. They are cutting their costs back a little. Doesn't mean the future outlook is bad.

On December 11 2011 01:10 The Final Boss wrote:
Like everybody else here, I want GSTL to be more like PL. PL's format is so much fun to watch and it lends itself to being more team-oriented (you can't just have one player completely carry for the team).


They need more sponsors for that. GSTL isn't anywhere near PL yet.

On December 11 2011 01:56 BLinD-RawR wrote:
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On December 11 2011 01:35 MadNeSs wrote:
isnt 8 weeks abit too long for a tournament?


LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

watch an OSL/MSL....hell watch how long it took TSL3 to finish.


mrbamboo
Profile Joined December 2010
United States415 Posts
December 10 2011 18:49 GMT
#190
Well you could do fantasy, but it'll be rather short. 2 groups of 4 round robin is what, 12 matches? That's pretty short. Each team only gets to play 3 matches so you will have to trade players like crazy because they all play so few games. The trading value changes is too drastic for a good balanced fantasy with this few games.

compared to last season every team played five games, and there was a total of 30 matches.
WigglingSquid
Profile Joined August 2011
5194 Posts
December 10 2011 18:56 GMT
#191
Nice update on the GSL format; prize money looks even more miserable now, though.
I wonder what are GomTV's revenues. Relatively poor quality, software-locked stream, average production (aside for the awesome voice-acted player announcements), normal prices... I think that mantaining a studio should not hinder their earnings so much; maybe they lack deep-pocketed sponsors?

I am somewhat dubious about the GSTL format, however. We will see.
amazingoopah
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1925 Posts
December 10 2011 19:14 GMT
#192
I'm ok with most of the changes.... GSL should definitely be cut down a bit, having so many championships will diminish the value of winning it; right now I don't feel winning the GSL is as important as winning an OSL/MSL.

Getting rid of the WC and ST isn't that big a deal; they feel sort of tacked on haphazardly to the schedule as it is. The WC should be the Blizzard Cup and if the ST is going to be a once a year thing instead of a concurrent title (ala MSL/OSL running together before the MSL folded) then it's not a big deal anyways.
SgtPepper
Profile Joined November 2010
United States568 Posts
December 10 2011 19:29 GMT
#193
Interesting...seem like mostly good changes
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DailYLeet
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany827 Posts
December 10 2011 19:36 GMT
#194
why no world championship :/

i think that was one of the best events of the year
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chatuka
Profile Joined July 2011
1351 Posts
December 10 2011 19:39 GMT
#195
i agree with you guys that less GSL per season= better.. Too bad they couldn't increase the prize pool per tournament.

I'm just so jealous of the other professional sports that get huge ratings, thus huge dollars. With time, i think Esports will be a multi-million dollar business, just like any other major sport
RacerX
Profile Joined December 2010
United States168 Posts
December 10 2011 19:40 GMT
#196
I like the GSL changes but I really dislike the GSTL changes, feel there would be too many repeats of the same two teams if they were to be seeded along with only 2 other teams. I would really like to see PL format and the league would be much better.
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Asymmetric
Profile Joined June 2011
Scotland1309 Posts
December 10 2011 19:42 GMT
#197
Bah.

The GSTL was perfect the way it was. Winner stays on. Last man standing.

No panzy double elimination, 2v2's or bloody ace matchs breaking it up.
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
December 10 2011 19:49 GMT
#198
On December 11 2011 03:03 coolcor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2011 02:16 Xeris wrote:
On December 11 2011 00:59 jellyjello wrote:
On December 11 2011 00:42 Seriox wrote:
On December 11 2011 00:29 Kieofire wrote:
On December 10 2011 22:55 Seriox wrote:
Why is there such a big decrease of the prizemoney? Is GOM in danger to go out of business? Really curious...


Where does it say that there is a decrease? It says Code S prize money stays the same and Code A prize money is increased. You might want to reread what the OP says.

Well, I think you got my point wrong. I mean the overall prizemoney in one year. Like, you said, the Code S prize money stays the same, but with less Code S seasons, it's a reduction of the prizemoney which is paid to the players. (in one year)
And without the ST and the WC they save even more money.

Thats why I'm so curious if GOM is in danger to go out of business..


Highly doubt GOM is losing money with their SC2 division. If anything, it has made their company even more popular since they are basically monopolizing the SC2 viewership in Korea.



You dont make those kinds of cuts unless you are losing money ...


Hmm I wonder how much blizzard is charging them to lose money promoting their game.

Maybe GOM needs to raise the subscription price even more. People on this forum need to support esports more if they want more prize money!

The only other option is to try to try make more money from increased add revenue by making vods cheaper/free for more views. But I doubt that would work so they should definitely be focusing on getting as much money as possible from the smaller group of fans willing to stay up late or pay lots of money to watch. Hope increased competition from free foreign tournaments with lots of Koreans doesn't make them lose subscriptions!


Blizzard doesn't charge them outside of some relatively small license fee. The problem is that these leagues don't make money. No esport league makes money. MLG is MAYBE the only league to make money in 2011, and I'm even dubious about that... but luckily they had $10 million in VC money to play with on the year, and I'm sure they have more long term plans so it doesn't matter if they don't make money this year...

GOMTV doesn't seem to have that kind of backing, which means that their league is not being very successful (financially)... hence cutting about 1/2 million from their expenses. Seems like overall, Korea is having a very rough time leveraging SC2's popularity and their players' skill with sponsors the way Western companies / organizations / players are able to do.


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Laneir
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1160 Posts
December 10 2011 19:59 GMT
#199
very nice cant wait
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ArchDC
Profile Joined May 2011
Malaysia1996 Posts
December 10 2011 19:59 GMT
#200
I like the changes to the GSL. The GSTL am not sure yet.
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