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GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
January 06 2011 03:44 GMT
#181
Can I /in as a replacement?
Qatol
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States3165 Posts
January 06 2011 03:55 GMT
#182
On January 06 2011 11:55 LSB wrote:
Ninja editedout a signup

Aka her logging into TL on my computer then forgetting she left the browser window open. I may or may not be in trouble now.
Uff Da
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
January 06 2011 18:27 GMT
#183
On January 06 2011 12:44 GGQ wrote:
Can I /in as a replacement?


Yes I'll add you to the replacement queue. I just got back due to a wild night so I'm sending out initial role PMs now.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Pigsquirrel
Profile Joined August 2009
United States615 Posts
January 06 2011 20:01 GMT
#184
Giving the mafia a role list is definately NOT good.
IMO, the only thing town should try to do is deny scum the most dangerous roles. Anything more risks a major major backfire by a well placed scum pick.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
January 06 2011 21:25 GMT
#185
/confirm

So has everyone come to the conclusion that the predetermined role list is a bad idea or are there some who still wish to support it?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
January 06 2011 21:27 GMT
#186
Some things:

1.) The player count has been bumped up to 22. I also temporarily added in Floridian and Tracker back to the queue. They are possibly going to be replaced.

2.) Make sure to read the OP.

3.) Once you have read your role PM type /confirm in the thread. Once enough people have confirmed I'll announce the number picking phase and you can start PMing me your numbers.


Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Beneather
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada451 Posts
January 06 2011 21:32 GMT
#187
/confirm

Yeah are we going with the predetermined list?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Day[9} <3
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
January 06 2011 21:49 GMT
#188
/confirm
Eiii
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2566 Posts
January 06 2011 21:58 GMT
#189
/confirm
:3
HaploPaithan
Profile Joined September 2010
United States100 Posts
January 06 2011 22:06 GMT
#190
/confirm

I'm still cool with the predetermined list.
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
January 06 2011 22:19 GMT
#191
/confirm
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
January 06 2011 22:24 GMT
#192
Order with the new roles added.
+ Show Spoiler +
1. CPR Doc
2. Comp Vig
3. Copy Cat
4. JOAT
5. Bullet Bill
6. Doctor
7. Doctor
8. Role Cop
9. Alignment Cop
10. Role Blocker
11. Tracker
12. Janitor
13. Prince of Darkness
14. Day Vig
15. Pardoner
16. Politican
17. Mason
18. Floridian
19. Hider
20. Bulletproof
21. Veteran
22. God Father


Tracker is useful as an information role. And floridian is a role that can confirm itself.
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
January 06 2011 22:26 GMT
#193
Btw, I'm working on a few fixes for the plan, so give me some time to get it written out.
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
January 06 2011 22:30 GMT
#194
/confirm
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
zeks
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Canada1068 Posts
January 06 2011 22:32 GMT
#195
/confirm
"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I-- I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference."
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-06 22:32:47
January 06 2011 22:32 GMT
#196
OP has been updated with the following changes:

Compulsive Vigilante is now a normal Vigilante with unlimited bullets that can start shooting on Night 2. This is so Vigilantes don't have to shoot and can carefully think about holding their shot. Also good for those who would rather be careful when Scumhunting/Power Role hunting.

Floridian is back to the removed roles section. Tracker will stay in the game.

New Role added:




Witch - Like all awesome Witches you are a master of magic. If you choose to, one time only you can choose to receive a list of every player that will die that night. You can give one of them a life-saving potion that will prevent them from dying. You can only do this once.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
January 06 2011 22:50 GMT
#197
Firstly, I'd like to suggest we spread out our picks for the draft.

This can be accomplished in one of three way
1) Everyone randomizing their picks through a RNG. Easiest option, although not 100% effective, it will generate randomness
2) Everyone declaring what number they will pick However, this is bad because it allows easier access for the mafia to the roles they want
3) Everyone getting an assigned number (this would be your number on the signup list). We will then be able to track who got bumped down.

The reason why we need to spread out the draft is because the number drafting stage can be exploited.


The number draft is not random. A lot of people like to pick the numbers 1, 4, 6, 8, 10. To illustrate this I'll provide a histogram
+ Show Spoiler [Histogram of PYP1 and PYP2 Picks] +

[image loading]

This is chart of all the first numbers picked in PYP1 and PYP2

Knowing this, the mafia can easily exploit this fact

Check out the old draft
+ Show Spoiler +

1. CPR Doc
2. Comp Vig
3. Copy Cat
4. JOAT
5. Bullet Bill
6. Doctor
7. Doctor
8. Role Cop
9. Alignment Cop
10. Role Blocker

11. Janitor
12. Prince of Darkness
13. Day Vig
14. Pardoner
15. Politican
16. Mason
17. Hider
18. Bulletproof
19. Veteran
20. God Father
21. Random a role

There is a giant 'sweet spot' The information/townie roles. They are grouped together.

Mafia will pick draft orders such as [7][1], [9][1], [11][1], [12][1], [13][1] in an attempt to snap up as many information roles as possible.

This would work because the town would probably concentrate it's picks at the start (because of human nature. Really, who would pick a number like 16? So the town would trip over itself allowing the mafia to maneuver into position.


Additional solution.
One other way we can solve this is to modify the draft order so that it alternates between an important town information role, and a role we are trying to keep away from mafia hands.

For example, the first six roles could look like
1. CPR Doc
2. JOAT
3. Comp Vig
4. Bullet Bill
5. Copy Cat
6. Doctor

Instead
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
JimboSilvers
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom167 Posts
January 06 2011 22:50 GMT
#198
/confirm

DAMN THIS IS GONNA BE AWESOME
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
January 06 2011 23:02 GMT
#199
1. CPR Doc
2. JOAT
3. Vig
4. Bullet Bill
5. Copy Cat
6. Doctor
7. Role Blocker
8. Doctor
9. Day Vig
10. Role Cop
11. Pardoner
12. Alignment Cop
13. Politican
14. Tracker
15. Mason
16. Witch
17. Hider
18. Janitor
19. Bulletproof
20. Prince of Darkness
21. Veteran
22. God Father


Philosophy
Red Roles are "Watch Roles". These roles if they do anything suspicious the town can easily tell and lynch. Mafia cannot do much with these roles

Green Roles are "Pro town roles". These roles are crucial as their abilities to gather information and protect others can bring town victory

Blue Roles are "role verifiable roles". These role can easily prove that they picked the role that they were suppose to pick. This will be useful if people find if someone stole their pick, or when we're hunting the traitor.

Alternation
: The roles that we don't want the mafia to get their hands on are the green roles. That's why I alternated the green roles with the red/blue roles. This way it will be harder for the mafia to snag up these roles.
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-06 23:07:19
January 06 2011 23:06 GMT
#200
One last changed. Alignment Cop has been removed from the game. Instead replaced by this:


Parity Cop - You are an Alignment Cop with the ability to compare Investigations. Instead of receiving "Innocent" or "Guilty" your targets will be compared for Alignment. On Night 1 you will receive no result. Every night after, the new person you investigate will be compared with the person you investigated the prior night. If they are all of the same alignment you will receive "Same" otherwise you will receive "Different". Godfather's, Traitors (before conversion), and SKs all show up as being aligned with the Town.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
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