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On January 02 2012 17:35 Rbd wrote:
Destiny got his stream banned and will most likely be getting stern talking to by Quantic.
He did some blatantly illegal stuff (giving alcohol to a minor), some borderline illegal stuff (getting grabby with Mia when she was obviously uncomfortable with it), some stuff that simply should not be mentioned (talking about his friend's suicide with 10k people who doesn't know), broke the stream rules (some of the above + showing his income page) all while his friends were around him pouring him drinks and allowing his stream to continue when it shouldn't have and he was not capable of making the proper decision.
Destiny doesn't have the highest level control to be worth it for any team to keep him under their banner if he is pulling stuff like this. In the next few days expect to see an apology from him, after which he is going to be praying that Quantic keeps him on. It is very possible that he just ruined his SC2 career, or at least forced himself to continue on team-less considering no team would want a player who can't handle himself at home on his stream.
All the people who think this was all in good fun and everyone is overblowing the situation are idiots, plain and simple. E-Sports survives, like everything, on money. If this is a common and not serious event in E-Sports then why would Razer want their products to be associated with this? why would IGN want to be holding their own league? why would anyone want to be associated through sponsorship with any of this. If you think this is okay then you have absolutely no understanding about the inner workings of E-Sports or anything else past your college dorm.
TLDR
Destiny got way to drunk and got beyond a point of having any grasp on the situation, all of the people who were there with him should have recognized that Destiny was being incredibly self-destructive and should have shut down his stream.
If E-Sports is going to grow or even just sustain it needs continued/increased sponsorships, and in order for this to happen the behaviour on Destiny's stream needs to be treated as completely unacceptable.Destiny got his stream banned and will most likely be getting stern talking to by Quantic.
Destiny's behaviour and all the people who think it is ok, even if their approval is from their college "bro" mentality and their complete and utter ignorance of even the most basic inner workings of E-Sports, are killing E-Sports
Yeah.... no.
Sorry, but you are overreacting :/ E-Sports doesn't give a fuck about what happened tonight. Destiny's carrier will stay on the same track that is has been on prior to this "incident"...
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On January 02 2012 17:37 viralintruder wrote:
But we have to look at this objectively, the guy was C L E A R L Y DRUNK out of his mind, he even kept begging them all and especially Mia Rose to forgive him for being so drunk, and kept saying he has never been this drunk before. I have to blame CatZ and primarily George/Christian for getting him drunk. Their feeble efforts to sober him up after their doings were not exactly admirable either, although CatZ just sorta shied away after he puked and sensibly so.
He was talking before he got drunk about how much fun he wanted to have with them all, and I guess he just got carried away with the drinking. He probably wanted to just have a blast before his vacation ended, and I'm sure he had a different scenario in mind when he started taking 4 shots at a time. Bad stuff happens with bad friends, and thus the debauched debacle we witnessed throughout the stream came to fruition.
Destiny was also quite remorseful of his drunkeness, no one can say he wasn't. I could see his imbroglio, I could SEE that he didn't want to get drunk out of his wits, but he just couldn't resist. I sympathize with him; he's a human, not a Stacraft automaton... he needs to chill out with his friends, do stupid things, enjoy his life, break some moulds, do things his way. And it's sad that this time, his way may have screwed him over. Regrettable...
qft
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On January 02 2012 17:33 Powermovez wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 17:30 Fear799 wrote:On a side note, people who are calling this "sexual assault" are exaggerating to an extreme. If Mia actually had a problem with Destiny's drunken conduct, she would have put an end to it. She did look rather annoyed, however it was nowhere close to sexual assault. "Women who are being sexually abused are supposed to do [this]." You are basically telling how a female should act when she is being sexually assaulted. His actions were deplorable and I feel sick for watching a sexual harassment live on the internet.
Do you even realize the point you're arguing? That's like saying women shouldn't take self-defense classes because they shouldn't have to act a certain way to defend themselves if they get into trouble. Nobody was there making her sit there, if she was bothered by it she would have said or done something about it. It's just common sense.
Similarly, I'm pretty sure nobody made you sit there and watch the stream. So you're either a troll, or you weren't bothered by watching his stream as much as you let on.
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If destiny gets in trouble ITS ALL MIA'S FAULT..
MUAHAHAHHA
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On January 02 2012 17:37 Loki57 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 17:33 Powermovez wrote:On January 02 2012 17:30 Fear799 wrote:On a side note, people who are calling this "sexual assault" are exaggerating to an extreme. If Mia actually had a problem with Destiny's drunken conduct, she would have put an end to it. She did look rather annoyed, however it was nowhere close to sexual assault. "Women who are being sexually abused are supposed to do [this]." You are basically telling how a female should act when she is being sexually assaulted. His actions were deplorable and I feel sick for watching a sexual harassment live on the internet. Then you're either far too sensitive for the internet or you didn't realize that you were watching the stream of a person that basically got famous for his extremely controversial sense of humor.
I thought this was a video game website, not a streaming porn service. Just because she is a female and a adult film star, it doesn't mean that she should be groped in front of thousands of people. I certainly believe Destiny wouldn't have done this if he were sober. Just because she shrugged it off and didn't say "no" does it mean she gave consent.
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On January 02 2012 17:37 viralintruder wrote:So here are my thoughts on this matter. Firstly, and very fortunately, there was no nudity; that would have killed his TL, own3d, and Quantic arrangements, and since Twitch's bridge was burnt (albeit amicably), he'd be out of a stream too. Still, he will have to face the repercussions of this indiscretion. Tomorrow. And by tomorrow, I mean as soon as this hits reddit front page and the organizations that have stakes in him discover just how well his vacation turned out. An extraordinarily unfortunate turn of events ended up with him stone cold drunk and uninhibited, and even though I am a Destiny supporter, this was more than a little distasteful in my view. I'm not disappointed in him however, as he's not doing me a favour by streaming, and I have no expectations of him (not in a bad way, I'm just indifferent to everyone). I'm just a bit... I don't know, there's a shade of melancholy that lingers in my mind as I recall the events of 1/1/2012 Destiny style. Still, I have to admit, this was the most fun I've ever had watching his stream, and will continue to do so, regardless of the fallout (if he remains more or less intact). Hopefully he doesn't get screwed hard because he gave in to peer pressure, got drunk, nearly got high, came borderline to sexually assaulting someone... Oh who am I kidding... But seriously, my hopes are with him coming out on the less damaging side of this situation. But we have to look at this objectively, the guy was C L E A R L Y DRUNK out of his mind, he even kept begging them all and especially Mia Rose to forgive him for being so drunk, and kept saying he has never been this drunk before. I have to blame CatZ and primarily George/Christian for getting him drunk. Their feeble efforts to sober him up after their doings were not exactly admirable either, although CatZ just sorta shied away after he puked and sensibly so. He was talking before he got drunk about how much fun he wanted to have with them all, and I guess he just got carried away with the drinking. He probably wanted to just have a blast before his vacation ended, and I'm sure he had a different scenario in mind when he started taking 4 shots at a time. Bad stuff happens with bad friends, and thus the debauched debacle we witnessed throughout the stream came to fruition. Destiny was also quite remorseful of his drunkeness, no one can say he wasn't. I could see his imbroglio, I could SEE that he didn't want to get drunk out of his wits, but he just couldn't resist. I sympathize with him; he's a human, not a Stacraft automaton... he needs to chill out with his friends, do stupid things, enjoy his life, break some moulds, do things his way. And it's sad that this time, his way may have screwed him over. Regrettable... Yes, this was a massacre from a PR point of view. Yes, this was a very lewd vacation which just so happened to be streamed. It's not going to be easy to claw his way out of this, perhaps this may even be in an inextricable plight, but hopefully this is not so. I don't know if Quantic will take action in regards to this, but I hope it will be lenient. In all honesty, they knew exactly what they were getting into when they took up Destiny from the heels of the coL/Root incident. TL will probably be less than willing to let this slide, and its their rightful choice to mete out whatever they see fit to him, and I also half-wish (knowing that it probably won't work out so well for him) that they will be lenient too. + Show Spoiler [Apparently, his stream is kaput] +Own3d may probably not want to take action as they will lose one of their streaming pillars and many viewers, and to be fair, he didn't break any stream specific rules, so he should be fine there. Future sponsorship may take a hit, and while he's not exactly hurting for cash, this can't be good for his team image. No one in their right mind could say this was a professional stream, but I think it was fun up the point where he started spazzing out and falling over in the couch and the stream had to be muted. Anyway, I'm spent now, so all the best, ♥ you Destiny, hope you get out good from this, enjoy your vacation, go out to karaoke tomorrow, snowboard safely, try to make amends with Mia Rose, kiss up to all your investors (Own3d, Quantic, TL) AS SOON AS YOU WAKE UP, don't stream any more of your revelries, ignore the haters, and knock 'em out in your tournament brackets!
what happened with twitch?
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depending on how high you guys are gonna hype this up, destiny will get punished for it.
if you talk sponsers, e-sports and all that, think: Sponsors are gonna look at the response from the community.
Warnings should be spoken out! No doubt!
but this is no reason to bring up the already often mentioned "shitstorm".
Bad decisions happen, let us just be forgiving for now, until the guy can think strait again, ok?
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On January 02 2012 17:41 Powermovez wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 17:37 Loki57 wrote:On January 02 2012 17:33 Powermovez wrote:On January 02 2012 17:30 Fear799 wrote:On a side note, people who are calling this "sexual assault" are exaggerating to an extreme. If Mia actually had a problem with Destiny's drunken conduct, she would have put an end to it. She did look rather annoyed, however it was nowhere close to sexual assault. "Women who are being sexually abused are supposed to do [this]." You are basically telling how a female should act when she is being sexually assaulted. His actions were deplorable and I feel sick for watching a sexual harassment live on the internet. Then you're either far too sensitive for the internet or you didn't realize that you were watching the stream of a person that basically got famous for his extremely controversial sense of humor. I thought this was a video game website, not a streaming porn service. Just because she is a female and a adult film star, it doesn't mean that she should be groped in front of thousands of people. I certainly believe Destiny wouldn't have done this if he were sober. Just because she shrugged it off and didn't say "no" does it mean she gave consent.
DUDE, yes if you dont say NO it means you give consent, that is actually common sense, or how else would a person know that YOU dont like something unless you let them know?!?!?!?
So Mia obviously was ok with it, because she sat there and didn not say no to it, push steven away or just walk away.
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On January 02 2012 17:41 Powermovez wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 17:37 Loki57 wrote:On January 02 2012 17:33 Powermovez wrote:On January 02 2012 17:30 Fear799 wrote:On a side note, people who are calling this "sexual assault" are exaggerating to an extreme. If Mia actually had a problem with Destiny's drunken conduct, she would have put an end to it. She did look rather annoyed, however it was nowhere close to sexual assault. "Women who are being sexually abused are supposed to do [this]." You are basically telling how a female should act when she is being sexually assaulted. His actions were deplorable and I feel sick for watching a sexual harassment live on the internet. Then you're either far too sensitive for the internet or you didn't realize that you were watching the stream of a person that basically got famous for his extremely controversial sense of humor. I thought this was a video game website, not a streaming porn service. Just because she is a female and a adult film star, it doesn't mean that she should be groped in front of thousands of people. I certainly believe Destiny wouldn't have done this if he were sober. Just because she shrugged it off and didn't say "no" does it mean she gave consent.
She sat on his lap when he asked. Sounds a lot like consent to me. Stop sticking up for her. She fucked up by not axing the stream and letting this go for as long as it did.
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On January 02 2012 17:41 Powermovez wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 17:37 Loki57 wrote:On January 02 2012 17:33 Powermovez wrote:On January 02 2012 17:30 Fear799 wrote:On a side note, people who are calling this "sexual assault" are exaggerating to an extreme. If Mia actually had a problem with Destiny's drunken conduct, she would have put an end to it. She did look rather annoyed, however it was nowhere close to sexual assault. "Women who are being sexually abused are supposed to do [this]." You are basically telling how a female should act when she is being sexually assaulted. His actions were deplorable and I feel sick for watching a sexual harassment live on the internet. Then you're either far too sensitive for the internet or you didn't realize that you were watching the stream of a person that basically got famous for his extremely controversial sense of humor. I thought this was a video game website, not a streaming porn service. Just because she is a female and a adult film star, it doesn't mean that she should be groped in front of thousands of people. I certainly believe Destiny wouldn't have done this if he were sober. Just because she shrugged it off and didn't say "no" does it mean she gave consent.
edit- not gonna blow this out of proportion
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On January 02 2012 17:35 Shikyo wrote:
Whatever, I guess I'll stop arguing. Guess it's the norm these days that everyone should love to get drunk and when drunk you have no responsibility, and that your important guests can be treated as shit. I guess my point has come accross either way, but my respect for the community decreases a ton.
It's silly to talk about how Destiny should conduct his life, there's no point to discuss it here. All the talk about "sexual harassment" and "giving alcohol to a minor" etc... that's way outside the jurisdiction of this forum. Here's what matters (IMHO of course):
In the end there is one person responsible for what appears on Destiny's stream, and that is Steven Bonnell II, and IMHO the content on that stream isn't worthy of being listed in the featured progamer live stream list on TL.
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Consent to sitting on ones lap =/= consent to fondling her breasts, even if I'm watching a movie with a girl on my lap it doesn't mean she's allowing me to touch her(sexually). I wanted to stop arguing but this is just disgusting. What do you people think of women?
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On January 02 2012 17:43 doko100 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 17:41 Powermovez wrote:On January 02 2012 17:37 Loki57 wrote:On January 02 2012 17:33 Powermovez wrote:On January 02 2012 17:30 Fear799 wrote:On a side note, people who are calling this "sexual assault" are exaggerating to an extreme. If Mia actually had a problem with Destiny's drunken conduct, she would have put an end to it. She did look rather annoyed, however it was nowhere close to sexual assault. "Women who are being sexually abused are supposed to do [this]." You are basically telling how a female should act when she is being sexually assaulted. His actions were deplorable and I feel sick for watching a sexual harassment live on the internet. Then you're either far too sensitive for the internet or you didn't realize that you were watching the stream of a person that basically got famous for his extremely controversial sense of humor. I thought this was a video game website, not a streaming porn service. Just because she is a female and a adult film star, it doesn't mean that she should be groped in front of thousands of people. I certainly believe Destiny wouldn't have done this if he were sober. Just because she shrugged it off and didn't say "no" does it mean she gave consent. DUDE, yes if you dont say NO it means you give consent, that is actually common sense, or how else would a person know that YOU dont like something unless you let them know?!?!?!? So Mia obviously was ok with it, because she sat there and didn not say no to it, push steven away or just walk away.
Not saying "no" is absolutely not the same as giving consent.
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On January 02 2012 17:44 mango_destroyer wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 17:41 Powermovez wrote:On January 02 2012 17:37 Loki57 wrote:On January 02 2012 17:33 Powermovez wrote:On January 02 2012 17:30 Fear799 wrote:On a side note, people who are calling this "sexual assault" are exaggerating to an extreme. If Mia actually had a problem with Destiny's drunken conduct, she would have put an end to it. She did look rather annoyed, however it was nowhere close to sexual assault. "Women who are being sexually abused are supposed to do [this]." You are basically telling how a female should act when she is being sexually assaulted. His actions were deplorable and I feel sick for watching a sexual harassment live on the internet. Then you're either far too sensitive for the internet or you didn't realize that you were watching the stream of a person that basically got famous for his extremely controversial sense of humor. I thought this was a video game website, not a streaming porn service. Just because she is a female and a adult film star, it doesn't mean that she should be groped in front of thousands of people. I certainly believe Destiny wouldn't have done this if he were sober. Just because she shrugged it off and didn't say "no" does it mean she gave consent. she can sue him if she wanted but we all know she wouldnt because she isnt going to make a big deal out of it like you people or as bothered.
Bullshit she can. She didn't say no to it, so she cant sue him for anything because she gave consent. What would this world be like if people did something you make it look like you are ok with it but then just sue them the day after? I mean, do you realize how dumb this would be?
On January 02 2012 17:46 Rbd wrote:
Not saying "no" is absolutely not the same as giving consent.
Are you kidding me? Are you actually a social reject that has never gone out with a girl before? If a girl lets you touch her, it means she doesnt have a problem with it. shes not gonna say "OMG YES TOUCH ME MORE" (some might but thats no a requirement) you try, if she says no - you know that its not ok for here, if she doesnt say no you know that it is ok for here. that is how this world works, might wanna get outside a bit more and meet some girls because you have a very screwed perception of the world tbh.
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On January 02 2012 17:45 Shikyo wrote:
Consent to sitting on ones lap =/= consent to fondling her breasts, even if I'm watching a movie with a girl on my lap it doesn't mean she's allowing me to touch her. I wanted to stop arguing but this is just disgusting. What do you people think of women?
I`m sorry were we watching the same stream? She didn`t seem so uptight about it like you seem to be. She is an adult she can handle herself. If she was really bothered she would have slapped the shit out of him like most girls and left.
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LOL @ the people trying to say he sexually assaulted her and she could sue him. You people are really out to just stir shit up.
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On January 02 2012 17:47 Spray wrote:
LOL @ the people trying to say he sexually assaulted her and she could sue him. You people are really out to just stir shit up.
They are troll accounts imo
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"Vegeta, what does the scouter say about the amount of white knights in this thread?"
"IT'S OVER 9000!"
In all seriousness, I'm glad that there are some people in the community that don't feel the need to blow every little thing out of proportion, without realizing that it could actually affect a person's career, simply because they crave drama. Everyone else....I am disappoint.
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People saying it's not his fault he did all of this because he was drunk are the kind of people I hate in life. After he's drunk, sure, he's no longer in control of his actions. What he should be held accountable for is deciding to get drunk with the stream on. Being drunk doesn't get you a get out of jail free pass.
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On January 02 2012 17:42 ReachTheSky wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 02 2012 17:37 viralintruder wrote:So here are my thoughts on this matter. Firstly, and very fortunately, there was no nudity; that would have killed his TL, own3d, and Quantic arrangements, and since Twitch's bridge was burnt (albeit amicably), he'd be out of a stream too. Still, he will have to face the repercussions of this indiscretion. Tomorrow. And by tomorrow, I mean as soon as this hits reddit front page and the organizations that have stakes in him discover just how well his vacation turned out. An extraordinarily unfortunate turn of events ended up with him stone cold drunk and uninhibited, and even though I am a Destiny supporter, this was more than a little distasteful in my view. I'm not disappointed in him however, as he's not doing me a favour by streaming, and I have no expectations of him (not in a bad way, I'm just indifferent to everyone). I'm just a bit... I don't know, there's a shade of melancholy that lingers in my mind as I recall the events of 1/1/2012 Destiny style. Still, I have to admit, this was the most fun I've ever had watching his stream, and will continue to do so, regardless of the fallout (if he remains more or less intact). Hopefully he doesn't get screwed hard because he gave in to peer pressure, got drunk, nearly got high, came borderline to sexually assaulting someone... Oh who am I kidding... But seriously, my hopes are with him coming out on the less damaging side of this situation. But we have to look at this objectively, the guy was C L E A R L Y DRUNK out of his mind, he even kept begging them all and especially Mia Rose to forgive him for being so drunk, and kept saying he has never been this drunk before. I have to blame CatZ and primarily George/Christian for getting him drunk. Their feeble efforts to sober him up after their doings were not exactly admirable either, although CatZ just sorta shied away after he puked and sensibly so. He was talking before he got drunk about how much fun he wanted to have with them all, and I guess he just got carried away with the drinking. He probably wanted to just have a blast before his vacation ended, and I'm sure he had a different scenario in mind when he started taking 4 shots at a time. Bad stuff happens with bad friends, and thus the debauched debacle we witnessed throughout the stream came to fruition. Destiny was also quite remorseful of his drunkeness, no one can say he wasn't. I could see his imbroglio, I could SEE that he didn't want to get drunk out of his wits, but he just couldn't resist. I sympathize with him; he's a human, not a Stacraft automaton... he needs to chill out with his friends, do stupid things, enjoy his life, break some moulds, do things his way. And it's sad that this time, his way may have screwed him over. Regrettable... Yes, this was a massacre from a PR point of view. Yes, this was a very lewd vacation which just so happened to be streamed. It's not going to be easy to claw his way out of this, perhaps this may even be in an inextricable plight, but hopefully this is not so. I don't know if Quantic will take action in regards to this, but I hope it will be lenient. In all honesty, they knew exactly what they were getting into when they took up Destiny from the heels of the coL/Root incident. TL will probably be less than willing to let this slide, and its their rightful choice to mete out whatever they see fit to him, and I also half-wish (knowing that it probably won't work out so well for him) that they will be lenient too. + Show Spoiler [Apparently, his stream is kaput] +Own3d may probably not want to take action as they will lose one of their streaming pillars and many viewers, and to be fair, he didn't break any stream specific rules, so he should be fine there. Future sponsorship may take a hit, and while he's not exactly hurting for cash, this can't be good for his team image. No one in their right mind could say this was a professional stream, but I think it was fun up the point where he started spazzing out and falling over in the couch and the stream had to be muted. Anyway, I'm spent now, so all the best, ♥ you Destiny, hope you get out good from this, enjoy your vacation, go out to karaoke tomorrow, snowboard safely, try to make amends with Mia Rose, kiss up to all your investors (Own3d, Quantic, TL) AS SOON AS YOU WAKE UP, don't stream any more of your revelries, ignore the haters, and knock 'em out in your tournament brackets! what happened with twitch?
He always told his stream that he switched to own3d because of ad revenue, so I'd assume that reneging on his stance would kill his image, and he prides his image of not being flaky, thus switching back to Twitch would be awkward for both Destiny and Twitch. His revenue agreement with Twitch might also have been terminated when he switched.
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