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Ironbear
United States21 Posts
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Ballack
Norway821 Posts
On June 28 2011 08:56 Ironbear wrote: So if the very best Toss's have trouble playing zerg, then that means that the master league Toss's should have it easy in that match up? Don't understand the argument that imba only applies to the top level. Can somebody explain? People are just being stupid. That applies to a degree, but I'd say that "saying" is more pointing towards players of lower skill should rather look to improve their flawed game rather than complaining about balance. I also think once you are getting up in masters and getting your mechanics up to a point, those supposed imbalances start kicking in. | ||
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-orb-
United States5770 Posts
On June 28 2011 07:45 gdot5 wrote: I enjoy the way you think orb if 50 or so games in top level korean play end up as a 60% winrate for zerg, that totally justifies you crying when 2 of your archons can't kill 20 mutas I like the way you think I apparently only had 2 archons all game long huh? Here's the comparison so that your tiny brain can understand it: I was spending all my gas on archons and leftover minerals on zealots Likewise, the zerg was spending all his gas on mutas and leftover minerals on zerglings. We were on even bases with even cost of armies. The difference is that I was at 3-1-2 upgrades and he was 0-0. Archons are supposed to be THE counter to lings/mutas. This simply makes no sense in a balanced game other than that archons are just fucking terrible and protoss still has no efficient anti-air other than the phoenix which is very situational and shitty vs literally everything other than mutas | ||
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xscribble
United States17 Posts
quit the whining.... there are other reasons why you lose against Z, that archon example, i bet your archons were attacking the lings that most likely got a nice surround on them. Protoss has no anti-air? Are you serious? Blink stalkers? Templar storms are pretty fuckin good too if you know how to use your units properly... I mean, we could talk about how Phoenix are just overpowered as shit in early game harass against Zerg... Stop crying because you're not good enough to complain about imba IMO. edit: and let's look at the top 10 at CA 6 terrans, 3 zergs, and 1 protoss player This means protoss clearly is just the worst race huh? I'm deeply scared by people like you... those that will whine about unfair balance issues when there really aren't problems at all. | ||
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Kairos~
Canada129 Posts
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-_-
United States7081 Posts
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ROOTFayth
Canada3351 Posts
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-orb-
United States5770 Posts
On June 28 2011 11:42 xscribble wrote: I'm trying not to laugh when you claim Z is imba against P quit the whining.... there are other reasons why you lose against Z, that archon example, i bet your archons were attacking the lings that most likely got a nice surround on them. Protoss has no anti-air? Are you serious? Blink stalkers? Templar storms are pretty fuckin good too if you know how to use your units properly... I mean, we could talk about how Phoenix are just overpowered as shit in early game harass against Zerg... Stop crying because you're not good enough to complain about imba IMO. edit: and let's look at the top 10 at CA 6 terrans, 3 zergs, and 1 protoss player This means protoss clearly is just the worst race huh? I'm deeply scared by people like you... those that will whine about unfair balance issues when there really aren't problems at all. I just want to keep this quoted so everyone can see how much of a retard you are for all time in case you edit it | ||
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ROOTFayth
Canada3351 Posts
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-KarmA
United States353 Posts
On June 28 2011 13:30 ReignFayth wrote: you can't just call people retard without any arguments orb... this is just stupid... it sounds like you just have no idea what to reply, you're just replying out of rage Thats mostly why i love coming here. Someone puts up a point then -orb- calls them a retard and flames. He might put up a graph or two and say "heres all the proof i need to cry imba, you tard" Funny stuff | ||
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NrG.eve
United States12 Posts
On May 27 2011 05:55 strength wrote: idk what u guys are talking about. orb is a nice person @ lan. Thats all what matters. He streams so people can watch, he doesnt have to respond. really? i didn't think he behaved very civilly in person either time i went. his stream is very entertaining though :-) | ||
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-orb-
United States5770 Posts
On June 28 2011 13:30 ReignFayth wrote: you can't just call people retard without any arguments orb... this is just stupid... it sounds like you just have no idea what to reply, you're just replying out of rage if you don't see a retard in that quote you must be just as much of one why should i waste my time going through and arguing with people that stupid? here i'll show you his first point just for you fayth... he says "i bet your archons were attacking lings instead of mutas," this should show you right away that 1: he has no argument whatsoever and is guessing ("i bet") 2: clearly didn't even watch me play and has no idea what he's tlaking about and thus: 3: he is talking out of his ass for the record my zealots had the lings under control, the archons were only attacking the mutas, and he didn't even magic box, they were getting pretty clumped. | ||
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xscribble
United States17 Posts
1. you're a little whiny tool 2. you're bad 3. sucks that you didn't make CA, but not surprising either eh? 4. stop whining about imbalance OH wait, same things. I wasn't arguing, i'm just explaining to you why you're wrong. 2 archons just straight up can't take a critical mass amount of mutas (i'm assuming he had a lot judging by the way you describe it). PvZ should be one of the easier matchups for P, is it that hard to learn how to harass the zerg? or even scout for that matter... you have fuckin cloaked units that can 1 hit workers... that's not imba to you? You have the strongest 200 supply army in the game, that's not imba to you? You can fuckin scout so easily with an observer, which is 10x faster than an overlord, and also cloaked. not imba either? don't even get me started about forcefields... if all you did was make archons and zealots in that battle, then you're an idiot bro. i don't care if you want to call me a retard, because it's pretty clear to everyone else who the real retard is. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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zaphixyo
Sweden8 Posts
On June 28 2011 11:16 -orb- wrote: I like the way you think I apparently only had 2 archons all game long huh? Here's the comparison so that your tiny brain can understand it: I was spending all my gas on archons and leftover minerals on zealots Likewise, the zerg was spending all his gas on mutas and leftover minerals on zerglings. We were on even bases with even cost of armies. The difference is that I was at 3-1-2 upgrades and he was 0-0. Archons are supposed to be THE counter to lings/mutas. This simply makes no sense in a balanced game other than that archons are just fucking terrible and protoss still has no efficient anti-air other than the phoenix which is very situational and shitty vs literally everything other than mutas even bases? the zerg sat on 2 bases the entire game when he was way ahead? upload the replay then plx. | ||
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Crazyseal
United Kingdom259 Posts
On June 28 2011 20:16 xscribble wrote: Dude learn to fucking even make an argument then, you just made one whole point into three separate ones... that'd be like me saying: 1. you're a little whiny tool 2. you're bad 3. sucks that you didn't make CA, but not surprising either eh? 4. stop whining about imbalance OH wait, same things. I wasn't arguing, i'm just explaining to you why you're wrong. 2 archons just straight up can't take a critical mass amount of mutas (i'm assuming he had a lot judging by the way you describe it). PvZ should be one of the easier matchups for P, is it that hard to learn how to harass the zerg? or even scout for that matter... you have fuckin cloaked units that can 1 hit workers... that's not imba to you? You have the strongest 200 supply army in the game, that's not imba to you? You can fuckin scout so easily with an observer, which is 10x faster than an overlord, and also cloaked. not imba either? don't even get me started about forcefields... if all you did was make archons and zealots in that battle, then you're an idiot bro. i don't care if you want to call me a retard, because it's pretty clear to everyone else who the real retard is. M8, im sorry to say that you dont really know what your talking about, Every situation you mention is a isolated instance which does not hold any value in a real game? I can throw out the same comments such as: oh 3x +2 bane drops kill all. NOT IMBA?!?!??, but it does not mean anything because its about execution inside of the game alongside maintaining synergy with your other build components. Overlord = First unit u have / Obs = Narrow tech + slower than fast overlord without its own upgrade DT = lol... they are good but once detected easy to counter 200 Supply = are you kidding? you can use Bane drops to rape a whole army and then use ur 10 hatch 100 larvae to get back to 200 and stream more units in... Its all relative, dont hate on orb. | ||
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Ballack
Norway821 Posts
On June 28 2011 11:16 -orb- wrote: I like the way you think I apparently only had 2 archons all game long huh? Here's the comparison so that your tiny brain can understand it: I was spending all my gas on archons and leftover minerals on zealots Likewise, the zerg was spending all his gas on mutas and leftover minerals on zerglings. We were on even bases with even cost of armies. The difference is that I was at 3-1-2 upgrades and he was 0-0. Archons are supposed to be THE counter to lings/mutas. This simply makes no sense in a balanced game other than that archons are just fucking terrible and protoss still has no efficient anti-air other than the phoenix which is very situational and shitty vs literally everything other than mutas This is where you lose me. Go back to that replay and check out your force fields. You tried to split the lings up, but all of the lings got a huge surround. If you had split up those lings, like at all, that fight would have gone much better and you wouldn't have been behind for the rest of the game. He attacked you in the choke of your third @ Xel'Naga, your bad micro caused you to lose that game. PS: I'm not saying you are a bad player, you are much better than me etc. | ||
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xscribble
United States17 Posts
On June 28 2011 21:07 Crazyseal wrote: M8, im sorry to say that you dont really know what your talking about, Every situation you mention is a isolated instance which does not hold any value in a real game? I can throw out the same comments such as: oh 3x +2 bane drops kill all. NOT IMBA?!?!??, but it does not mean anything because its about execution inside of the game alongside maintaining synergy with your other build components. Overlord = First unit u have / Obs = Narrow tech + slower than fast overlord without its own upgrade DT = lol... they are good but once detected easy to counter 200 Supply = are you kidding? you can use Bane drops to rape a whole army and then use ur 10 hatch 100 larvae to get back to 200 and stream more units in... Its all relative, dont hate on orb. Stop talking about bane drops as if they're the shit. Sure they're good, but if you don't suck, you won't have all your units in a little ball ready to get their shit rocked. Overlords are just not as good as observers period... even with speed upgrade. you can't keep an overlord in a location ready to spot an attack without risking it getting killed. DTs easy to counter if detected, sure, but since overlords are so slow, you can't scout it properly, and you can also hide DT tech anywhere on the map. Rushing to DT tech is not hard, and you can do it before Zerg gets detection easily. I've lost a bunch of games to that. Same with 2 void/ 3 phoenix early harass. Learn to analyze games, maybe you and orb will get better. | ||
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StrangrDangr
United States291 Posts
On June 28 2011 20:16 xscribble wrote: Dude learn to fucking even make an argument then, you just made one whole point into three separate ones... that'd be like me saying: 1. you're a little whiny tool 2. you're bad 3. sucks that you didn't make CA, but not surprising either eh? 4. stop whining about imbalance OH wait, same things. I wasn't arguing, i'm just explaining to you why you're wrong. 2 archons just straight up can't take a critical mass amount of mutas (i'm assuming he had a lot judging by the way you describe it). PvZ should be one of the easier matchups for P, is it that hard to learn how to harass the zerg? or even scout for that matter... you have fuckin cloaked units that can 1 hit workers... that's not imba to you? You have the strongest 200 supply army in the game, that's not imba to you? You can fuckin scout so easily with an observer, which is 10x faster than an overlord, and also cloaked. not imba either? don't even get me started about forcefields... if all you did was make archons and zealots in that battle, then you're an idiot bro. i don't care if you want to call me a retard, because it's pretty clear to everyone else who the real retard is. So you are admitting to not haveing seen the game that you are oh so cleverly theory crafting on? Thank goodness you have the ability to solve the problem of mutas hard-countering archons with zero knowledge of the game in question. Was it this ability that allowed you to get to the top of GM league? | ||
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StrangrDangr
United States291 Posts
On June 28 2011 22:25 xscribble wrote: Stop talking about bane drops as if they're the shit. Sure they're good, but if you don't suck, you won't have all your units in a little ball ready to get their shit rocked. Overlords are just not as good as observers period... even with speed upgrade. you can't keep an overlord in a location ready to spot an attack without risking it getting killed. DTs easy to counter if detected, sure, but since overlords are so slow, you can't scout it properly, and you can also hide DT tech anywhere on the map. Rushing to DT tech is not hard, and you can do it before Zerg gets detection easily. I've lost a bunch of games to that. Same with 2 void/ 3 phoenix early harass. Learn to analyze games, maybe you and orb will get better. Wait, so now you are suggesting he cheese his way to getting better by rushing to dt tech in a hidden location? And this coupled with analyzing his cheese-based games will make him better? | ||
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Sn0Board4life27
United States32 Posts
why should i waste my time going through and arguing with people that stupid? Orb, I don't see the point in arguing with them either. Claiming imbalance in this game has done nothing good for anyone, because as I see it this game is actually fairly balanced. but arguing with people about imbalance is just going to produce a stalemate argument where no side will "win" but rather will just result in endless arguing from here until the next patch when they change said "imbalance" -Sno | ||
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