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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
On July 12 2016 05:30 Pandemona wrote: Haha England have loads, really good ones, take the premier league by storm. However internationally they all turn into Eder :D Never seen them score key goals, though. | ||
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Pakistan10726 Posts
On July 12 2016 05:30 Pandemona wrote: Haha England have loads, really good ones, take the premier league by storm. However internationally they all turn into Eder :D Eder has scored the winning goal of a European Championship. English strikers meanwhile... I bet Harry Kane would trade in all of his Spurs goals for a winning goal at the Euros. | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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gsgfdf
Greece2 Posts
This was the first time since leaving Man Utd that Ronaldo acted like an actual human being. | ||
Poopi
France12916 Posts
- Portugal finally won an Euro. They deserved it in 2004 and have been good contenders in Euro/World Cups from as far as I followed football. - French team is likeable again from an attitude point of view. - Spanish era ended for sure (I liked them as winners but 6 years is too long...) - French prevented Germany from winning both World Cup and Euro back to back :D. - England suffered an harsh defeat, will probably be a bit less overhyped in 2018 and thus actually perform as well as they are expected to from as far as I followed football. - Since a lot of series ended (French winning every final at home since 1984, Italy beating Germany, Germany beating France, France beating Portugal, etc...) we won't have to be afraid of such things until new patterns appear. Bad things : - Not enough goals. - Group stages format making teams play shy. - I forgot. - Lawn The World Cup will be interesting, I think Germany would be favorite if they managed to get another good striker/forward (not sure of the exact name in English) like Klose in the past, right now they look harmless and it probably won't cut it against South America. France will be hard to guess depending on the future changes. Portugal has strong young players but I don't think they'll be enough to stop South America teams either. Italy did very well for their line-up so I don't see them pull through an entire tournament but who knows, maybe their young players will be enough to refresh the team up. | ||
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
Also the format definitely contributed to the shit games. Teams just needed to avoid losing in group stages. Bracket draw meant top teams faced each other early, while 'weak' teams knocked each other out. Every knockout games becomes too tactical rather than technical. | ||
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Pakistan10726 Posts
On July 12 2016 10:53 DucK- wrote: While I think Portugal deserves this euros, I do hope I never have to see that style of play again. Also the format definitely contributed to the shit games. Teams just needed to avoid losing in group stages. Bracket draw meant top teams faced each other early, while 'weak' teams knocked each other out. Every knockout games becomes too tactical rather than technical. yeah it needs to be less forgiving I think we discussed before the start of the tournament that the ideal would be top first from each grp + 2 best second place finishers and straight to QF. That would make the grp games alot more intense. But alas more games is more moneeezz... | ||
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aseq
Netherlands3999 Posts
6 groups of 4 x 6 matches + 8 ro16 matches = 44 before qf (current). 4 groups of 6 x 15 matches = 60 matches. May be a little too much. 4 groups of 5 x 10 matches = 40 matches. I like. 8 groups of 3 x 3 matches + 8 ko matches = 32 matches (Plan Beuving). http://m.imgur.com/55zsmeP 8 groups of 4 x 6 matches + 8 ro16 matches = 54 matches (World Cup). | ||
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Pakistan10726 Posts
On July 12 2016 13:28 aseq wrote: Agreed, less forgiving. But please, no x best second place. That's just as bad as the 3rd place stuff we have now. I just think having 6 groups is terrible. Here are some alternatives: 6 groups of 4 x 6 matches + 8 ro16 matches = 44 before qf (current). 4 groups of 6 x 15 matches = 60 matches. May be a little too much. 4 groups of 5 x 10 matches = 40 matches. I like. 8 groups of 3 x 3 matches + 8 ko matches = 32 matches (Plan Beuving). http://m.imgur.com/55zsmeP 8 groups of 4 x 6 matches + 8 ro16 matches = 54 matches (World Cup). Uhmm actually 2x second is just fine. Im not sure how that can even remotely be as bad. Like not even close lol. And you know why its good to have 2x second ? Because then teams that have an outside chance of qualifying will keep the games relevant. Otherwise a team goes 2-0 and the grp is dead. Instantly. Everyone else in the grp will have checked out mentally. Unless another team has also gone 2-0 which is an incredibly unlikely scemario. The point is to incentivise teams to try and win, which the third place qualifier spots were supposed to do. But where they messed up was not realizing that teams could effectively "not lose" their way into qualifying. Which made it redundant. There is no need to reinvent the wheel on it since the 24 teams are here to stay. Just some minor tweaks is all. | ||
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Maenander
Germany4926 Posts
On July 12 2016 13:28 aseq wrote: Agreed, less forgiving. But please, no x best second place. That's just as bad as the 3rd place stuff we have now. I just think having 6 groups is terrible. Here are some alternatives: 6 groups of 4 x 6 matches + 8 ro16 matches = 44 before qf (current). 4 groups of 6 x 15 matches = 60 matches. May be a little too much. 4 groups of 5 x 10 matches = 40 matches. I like. 8 groups of 3 x 3 matches + 8 ko matches = 32 matches (Plan Beuving). http://m.imgur.com/55zsmeP 8 groups of 4 x 6 matches + 8 ro16 matches = 54 matches (World Cup). Groups of 3 is a bad idea, since the games have to be played in succession. One team cannot take part in the final round, meaning the other 2 teams are able to manipulate the result in their favour | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7202 Posts
Payets foul on CR was not a card, but a simple (unlucky) foul. Patricio was definitely not better than Lloris and Neuer and never will be CR7 does belong into the UEFA Team, it's not his fault that Ramsey/ Allen got the Wales spots instead of Bale. | ||
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LennX
4568 Posts
On July 12 2016 13:28 aseq wrote: Agreed, less forgiving. But please, no x best second place. That's just as bad as the 3rd place stuff we have now. I just think having 6 groups is terrible. Here are some alternatives: 6 groups of 4 x 6 matches + 8 ro16 matches = 44 before qf (current). 4 groups of 6 x 15 matches = 60 matches. May be a little too much. 4 groups of 5 x 10 matches = 40 matches. I like. 8 groups of 3 x 3 matches + 8 ko matches = 32 matches (Plan Beuving). http://m.imgur.com/55zsmeP 8 groups of 4 x 6 matches + 8 ro16 matches = 54 matches (World Cup). 4 groups of 6 will work if we directly go into the Ro8. I will prefer that anyway. Or even 3 groups of 8, top 2 and best 2 3rd place teams goes into Ro8. This guarantees a minimum 7 matches for the smaller countries no matter what. | ||
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shell
Portugal2722 Posts
Do you think you would have this discussion if the champion was not a 3rd place team? Just face it that the stars align for us.. We should have been First in the group because we deserved wins against Iceland, Austria and Hungary.. We played better then them, had more and better chances and we have better players and team spirit.. but we didn't.. we ended up passing the group in 3rd place and got in the better bracket where we arguably had to face "worse" teams.. We managed to somehow squeeze a win against Croatia, defeated Poland, after suffering a 2m goal, in penaltys and got a crucial and well deserved win against Wales!! ` In the final we face a very powerfull France team, loose our best and most influencial player since 10 years and still manage to hold on and eventually score a goal! it is a very good story line.. just deal with it. | ||
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shell
Portugal2722 Posts
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aseq
Netherlands3999 Posts
On July 12 2016 17:25 LennX wrote: 4 groups of 6 will work if we directly go into the Ro8. I will prefer that anyway. Or even 3 groups of 8, top 2 and best 2 3rd place teams goes into Ro8. This guarantees a minimum 7 matches for the smaller countries no matter what. 3 groups of 8 will take ages, you dont want the euros to last longer than they currently to. And the whole point of this is to get rid of 'best X numbers Y move into next round'. Which is unfair ( what would have happened if portugal would have needed 4 points to advance, their last group game would have been played totally differently), avoidable and plain stupid. Nrs 3 in group A and B don't have this info in their last group match. | ||
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gTank
Austria2610 Posts
On July 12 2016 19:10 shell wrote: So now a Portugal win is because of bad rules.. come on guys don't be stupid! Do you think you would have this discussion if the champion was not a 3rd place team? Just face it that the stars align for us.. We should have been First in the group because we deserved wins against Iceland, Austria and Hungary.. We played better then them, had more and better chances and we have better players and team spirit.. but we didn't.. we ended up passing the group in 3rd place and got in the better bracket where we arguably had to face "worse" teams.. We managed to somehow squeeze a win against Croatia, defeated Poland, after suffering a 2m goal, in penaltys and got a crucial and well deserved win against Wales!! ` In the final we face a very powerfull France team, loose our best and most influencial player since 10 years and still manage to hold on and eventually score a goal! it is a very good story line.. just deal with it. I am not salty or anything but I find it funny how you can judge people for not liking Portugal as EC when you write they were clearly better than austria/hungary/iceland (which they were) and didnt win and at the same time croatia (and maybe poland) were better than portugal or at least as good and got lucked out of the tournament. It is a bs storyline, thats why some people are salty. | ||
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Salteador Neo
Andorra5591 Posts
On July 12 2016 03:05 haitike wrote: I don't deny that, but I think Bale played better. I would like to see a Worst 11 team with Ramos as defender xDD http://www.marca.com/futbol/eurocopa/2016/07/11/5783c83de2704e46238b459a.html Not really the worst 11, but the 11 guys who were expected to do great and didn't deliver, according to Marca. Can't say I agree with all of those. Even tho Marca is a RM fanpaper, they accept the fact that Piqué was the best spanish player. | ||
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LennX
4568 Posts
On July 12 2016 20:27 aseq wrote: 3 groups of 8 will take ages, you dont want the euros to last longer than they currently to. And the whole point of this is to get rid of 'best X numbers Y move into next round'. Which is unfair ( what would have happened if portugal would have needed 4 points to advance, their last group game would have been played totally differently), avoidable and plain stupid. Nrs 3 in group A and B don't have this info in their last group match. True. Maybe the best way is 4 groups and only winner advance into semis straight. Winner takes all. | ||
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Zinnwaldite
Norway1567 Posts
On July 12 2016 23:30 Salteador Neo wrote: http://www.marca.com/futbol/eurocopa/2016/07/11/5783c83de2704e46238b459a.html Not really the worst 11, but the 11 guys who were expected to do great and didn't deliver, according to Marca. Can't say I agree with all of those. Even tho Marca is a RM fanpaper, they accept the fact that Piqué was the best spanish player. Where is Ronaldo on that list? | ||
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