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On June 16 2012 08:17 sixfour wrote:
so i guess now that walcott managed to benefit from bad goalkeeping for the one that he bagged, and welbz's incredible improvised finishing for the bad cross that he laid in, the press will look at the two scorepoints and demand he starts against ukraine despite the fact the only reason he should ever start a match is that he isn't downing
The fuck are you on about
Walcott nailed the first goal, it doesn't matter what the fuck the keepers doing you keep that shit on target and hope the ball swerves.
2nd goal was pure fucking genius from walcott, I don't have to be a fanboy of him to appreciate what brilliance running in the space with just his pure speed between the 2 defenders was. Any slight touch he gets a penalty because euro refs, 9/10 he's getting the cross in regardless
welbeck went in with terrible posture to score that but got fucking lucky it went in but as chelseas run through the CL showed sometimes you just need a fuckton of luck
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the best part is still when ibrahimovic just took a drink from hart's bottle
ZLATAN DOES WHAT ZLATAN WANTS
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On June 16 2012 08:50 Lovedrop wrote:
the best part is still when ibrahimovic just took a drink from hart's bottle
ZLATAN DOES WHAT ZLATAN WANTS
THIS IS HIS HOUSE BITCHES
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On June 16 2012 09:09 Sated wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2012 05:39 Rebs wrote:On June 16 2012 05:37 Asha` wrote:Great finish from Welbeck On June 16 2012 05:37 Rebs wrote:
Not so bad are they England when they try to play ? eh, it's same old. defend and defend and hold on and then pray for a good counterattack/cross But atleast theyre getting forward. Its not Welbeck by himself swatting flys waiting for the occasional ball. I dont care if they defend as long as they actually attack when they counter. I'd rather win 1-0 than 3-2. Welbeck, goal of the tournament. You won't see a better one.
Yeah you would wouldnt you.
As for the goal, United fanboyism aside, probably will alot of football to be played.
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On June 16 2012 06:27 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2012 06:09 Hittegods wrote:On June 16 2012 06:01 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:
Hard to tell how good/bad Hamren is. The players to his disposal was quite bad compared to the last decade imo. I wouldn't mind giving him another shot. Pretty easy to tell how bad/naive he is. No, not really.
Yes, really.
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On June 16 2012 09:34 Sated wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2012 09:13 Rebs wrote:On June 16 2012 09:09 Sated wrote:On June 16 2012 05:39 Rebs wrote:On June 16 2012 05:37 Asha` wrote:Great finish from Welbeck On June 16 2012 05:37 Rebs wrote:
Not so bad are they England when they try to play ? eh, it's same old. defend and defend and hold on and then pray for a good counterattack/cross But atleast theyre getting forward. Its not Welbeck by himself swatting flys waiting for the occasional ball. I dont care if they defend as long as they actually attack when they counter. I'd rather win 1-0 than 3-2. Welbeck, goal of the tournament. You won't see a better one. Yeah you would wouldnt you. As for the goal, United fanboyism aside, probably will alot of football to be played. Only a dumb person would prefer for their team to win by the same margin whilst conceding more goals. From a neutral standpoint, 3-2 is probably the better result. But I am not looking at this from a neutral standpoint. And no. No bias. That's the goal of the tournament, right there. A back-heeled volley from a cross that was pinged at you, all whilst spinning through the air? You're not gonna see anything better in this tournament.
Or you could just be happy they eeked out the win. being brave on counters had little to do with the goals they conceded. Or are you seriously suggesting England shouldve turtled more hardcore against the technical prowess of Sweden.
From 5 odd yards out thats nothing that hasnt happened regularly enough.. Goal of the tournament so far though, wasnt a conventional volley anyway where you need to generate the pace which is what actually makes it hard, just guided it, the pace on the cross did the rest. Also he wasnt "spinning" through anything he turned his back to goal at best and certainly wasnt spinning in the air. his planted foot never leaves the ground.
Its effectively the same skillset you need to turn with the ball. Its a backheel of a cross, Berbatov has quite a few of those no one ever raves about him.
The really impressive part was getting ahead and outhustling his marker for position. After that its just instinct and a bit of luck on whether you pull it off now. But he did the things within his control perfectly.
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On June 16 2012 09:18 Hittegods wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2012 06:27 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:On June 16 2012 06:09 Hittegods wrote:On June 16 2012 06:01 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:
Hard to tell how good/bad Hamren is. The players to his disposal was quite bad compared to the last decade imo. I wouldn't mind giving him another shot. Pretty easy to tell how bad/naive he is. No, not really. Yes, really.
He's made some mistakes. He's taken some risks and yeah, one can argue they were naive, but he's also shown he can correct his mistakes. Hopefully he'll take this as a learning experience and build a strong team from it. There have never been a doubt in my mind this is the weakest Swedish squad to have made it to a championship since... I don't know, as far as I can remember, which is 1994. We would've needed a magician to make something good happen this Euro.
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On June 16 2012 09:34 Sated wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2012 09:13 Rebs wrote:On June 16 2012 09:09 Sated wrote:On June 16 2012 05:39 Rebs wrote:On June 16 2012 05:37 Asha` wrote:Great finish from Welbeck On June 16 2012 05:37 Rebs wrote:
Not so bad are they England when they try to play ? eh, it's same old. defend and defend and hold on and then pray for a good counterattack/cross But atleast theyre getting forward. Its not Welbeck by himself swatting flys waiting for the occasional ball. I dont care if they defend as long as they actually attack when they counter. I'd rather win 1-0 than 3-2. Welbeck, goal of the tournament. You won't see a better one. Yeah you would wouldnt you. As for the goal, United fanboyism aside, probably will alot of football to be played. Only a dumb person would prefer for their team to win by the same margin whilst conceding more goals. From a neutral standpoint, 3-2 is probably the better result. But I am not looking at this from a neutral standpoint. And no. No bias. That's the goal of the tournament, right there. A back-heeled volley from a cross that was pinged at you, all whilst spinning through the air? You're not gonna see anything better in this tournament.
actually i think some tournaments go on goal difference and then goals scored so its better to win 3-2 than 1-0
just a bit of fyi
if you both draw 1-1 then you win 3-2 and the other team wins 1-0 then you would go through on goals scored.. crazy eh
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On June 16 2012 07:14 stichtom wrote:
The 2-2 was weird. What was the goalkeeper thinking?
I'm guessing there were too many bodies in the way and he couldn't see it. There has also been talk of a slight deflection but I couldn't see it on any replay. He did seem to be wrongfooted, though, which would support the deflection theory.
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Only a dumb person would prefer for their team to win by the same margin whilst conceding more goals. From a neutral standpoint, 3-2 is probably the better result. But I am not looking at this from a neutral standpoint.
And no. No bias. That's the goal of the tournament, right there. A back-heeled volley from a cross that was pinged at you, all whilst spinning through the air? You're not gonna see anything better in this tournament.[/QUOTE]
this. Honestly was fantastic, only way he could have scored was that as well. Truly a incredible goal. I love how people who hate united are all like OMGZZ IT WAS LUCK, but if that was Gerrard or Henderson or anyone from Liverpool doing the same thing they would be jizzing about how good the goal was etc. Its sad quite frankly
On the game, when it was 2 - 1 SWE, i was like lol game over, didn't expect them to come back. It does pose a problem for the coming games, both strikers got a goal but Rooney cant be left out. Does he play a more attacking mid role and have two strikers, or one striker with him just behind, or him as the lone striker. Credit to Walcott, im not gonna jump on the wagon quite yet as he very often underperforms but he did well today. I think if we play well we can easily beat Ukraine and get out of the group.
A issue though is how is a tie decided, I know for the Euros its head to head, but if France + England win the next game they will be tied at the top. Does it go to goal difference after? If so the perfect result would be sweden beating France, We beat Ukraine so it finishes Us, France, Ukraine, Sweden.
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On June 16 2012 06:25 samw wrote:
If we get through and meet Spain in the round of 8, It will be an absolute massacre, most of the England team will need anus reconstruction surgery.
I agree to a point, I would rather play italy or croatia than them, but people forget we beat them fairly recently in a friendly. Admittedly only a friendly, but we turtled and we won, although the last 30 mins were a siege of epic proportions on our goal. I think with this team and playing well, with Rooney back too, we could maybe give them some problems. Minus Italy I think it would be one of the harder games they've played in the tournament.
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wow,
I'm still reeling from the game (comes on too late here in K-Land so I catch the morning replay)
I scan the comments and see the same old same old... lucky England this, easy match that, blah blah blah
People can say what they will but this team went down a goal and came back from behind. Its a character win through and through, and its about freckin time England had one. Great victory for the 3 Lions and it should provide enough moment to overcome a suddenly vulnerable Ukraine.
Think you gotta play the Young - Welbeck/Rooney trio, get that United chemistry going.
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People have been talking a lot about Welbeck's goal so far. Sure it's fancy and whatnot but personally I prefer the first goal of England overall. I love things that are simple and precise. One touch, one cross, one header and one goal, no fucking around. I think Gerrard has been brilliant in the first two games of England, even though he was severely shadowed by his heavy involvement in the team's defense. Regardless, when the team needed, he fucking delivered like a boss.
On another note, Young's performance has been sub-par in my opinion. Maybe in the Ukraine match they should let Chamberlain play instead of him. Or maybe they will keep him for the synergy with Rooney and Welbeck i dunno.
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Personally was happy with all three goals  Solid header from a great cross, loved the 'Well, fuck me' expression on Walcott's face when his goal went in, and his drive and pass, not to mention Welbeck's heel (luck or skill? Who cares?), was a great goal. Not sure it aws goal of the tournament so far, but a great one nonetheless.
What pissed me off was the goals we conceded. Very poor defending to let Mellberg be free both times, both free kicks didn't need to happen and were conceded by sloppy, unnecessary tackles - ignore the fact Carroll was fouled moments before, if you aren't going to reach the ball don't fricken' tackle unless you're happy to concede the foul. Hodgson needs to impress on the lads that this game should have been 3-0.
Good subs by Hodgson but he's left in a difficult position re. Walcott/Milner. Walcott is a much bigger goal threat. He can dribble better, cross about the same and has his pace and shooting to rely on whereas Milner has....stamina, I guess. But England managers have been playing Milner more often recently, because Milner is better at tracking back and covering, and the right side is where we're weaker. Johnson is not a good defender - he was at fault for the first goal, and at fault for the second - he was supposed to be marking Mellberg there. Milner is on the side to help cover the right side and help the attacking-minded Johnson to close down and defend. Walcott is a good impact sub against tired legs, but tbh he's a better player than Milner, for all his faults. I'm guessing Hodgson will keep Milner in, but maybe give Walcott more game time.
Also lol at Ibra drinking from Hart's water bottle. It might be because Hart pushed the Swedes away from him when they celebrated in his face, so Ibra turned and told him to fuck off. Apparently he's fluent in English (expletives, at least ).
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Watched this at the Casino. Amazing atmosphere, so many pom fans.
Hilarious to see Walcott score, get an assist, then immediately get injured.
Also Welbeck's touch was sooooooooooooo sick.
and it amazes me that Glen Johnson is starting for RB. I think everyone now wants Micah Richards there for future tournaments.
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On June 16 2012 14:46 GTR wrote:
and it amazes me that Glen Johnson is starting for RB. I think everyone now wants Micah Richards there for future tournaments.
Everyone I know wanted him in the first place....
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On June 16 2012 14:50 Sanctimonius wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2012 14:46 GTR wrote:
and it amazes me that Glen Johnson is starting for RB. I think everyone now wants Micah Richards there for future tournaments. Everyone I know wanted him in the first place....
I talked to a bunch of Pom fans on the train home, and that's what they told me as well. I mean from a neutral perspective, I suppose.
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