1 GK Joe Hart - Manchester City 2 DF Glen Johnson - Liverpool 3 DF Ashley Cole - Chelsea 4 MF Steven Gerrard (c) - Liverpool 5 DF Martin Kelly - Liverpool 6 DF John Terry - Chelsea 7 MF Theo Walcott - Arsenal 8 MF Jordan Henderson - Liverpool 9 FW Andy Carroll - Liverpool 10 FW Wayne Rooney - Manchester United 11 MF Ashley Young - Manchester United 12 DF Leighton Baines - Everton 13 GK Robert Green - West Ham United 14 DF Phil Jones - Manchester United 15 DF Joleon Lescott - Manchester City 16 MF James Milner - Manchester City 17 MF Scott Parker - Tottenham Hotspur 18 DF Phil Jagielka - Everton 19 MF Stewart Downing - Liverpool 20 MF Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain - Arsenal 21 FW Jermain Defoe - Tottenham Hotspur 22 FW Danny Welbeck - Manchester United 23 GK Jack Butland - Birmingham City
Coach: Roy Hodgson Roy Hodgson announced England's 23-man squad on 16 May 2012, along with a five-man stand-by list. The England team is the only squad to consist entirely of players from their domestic league. On 25 May, John Ruddy was ruled out with a broken finger; Jack Butland was called up as his replacement. On 28 May, Gareth Barry was ruled out with a groin injury, being replaced by Phil Jagielka. On 31 May, Frank Lampard was ruled out with a thigh injury and was replaced by Jordan Henderson. On 3 June, Gary Cahill was ruled out with a double fracture of his jaw and Martin Kelly was called up as his replacement.
England make one change from the team that drew 1-1 with France, as Carroll gets the nod to play upfront alongside Welbeck, with the OX losing his place.
1 GK Andreas Isaksson - PSV 2 DF Mikael Lustig - Celtic 3 DF Olof Mellberg - Olympiacos 4 DF Andreas Granqvist - Genoa 5 DF Martin Olsson - Blackburn Rovers 6 MF Rasmus Elm - AZ 7 MF Sebastian Larsson - Sunderland 8 MF Anders Svensson - Elfsborg 9 MF Kim Källström - Lyon 10 FW Zlatan Ibrahimović (c) - Milan 11 FW Johan Elmander - Galatasaray 12 GK Johan Wiland - Copenhagen 13 DF Jonas Olsson - West Bromwich Albion 14 FW Tobias Hysén - IFK Göteborg 15 DF Mikael Antonsson -Bologna 16 MF Pontus Wernbloom - CSKA Moscow 17 DF Behrang Safari -Anderlecht 18 MF Samuel Holmén - İstanbul BB 19 MF Emir Bajrami - Twente 20 FW Ola Toivonen - PSV 21 MF Christian Wilhelmsson - Al-Hilal 22 FW Markus Rosenberg - Werder Bremen 23 GK Pär Hansson - Helsingborg
Coach: Erik Hamrén Erik Hamrén announced Sweden's 23-man squad on 14 May 2012.
Former Bolton striker Johan Elmander will return to the Sweden side for tonight's Euro 2012 clash with England in Kiev.In the team, which has been posted on the official Swedish FA website, former Southampton player Anders Svensson, has been recalled to partner Kim Kallstrom in the centre of midfield, with Rasmus Elm shifting out to the left wing as Ola Toivonen dropped to the bench.West Brom's Jonas Olsson also returns to central defence as Andreas Granqvist switches to right-back in place of Michael Lustig, who has a hip problem.
We always draw with Sweden, we're about even in terms of team (we have a lot more depth but they have the best player on the pitch) and we're extremely defensive and negative and unlikely to score or conceed many goals.
Also what a mind numbingly average team England have these days. Only one player in that front six I'd consider an international quality player and even he's well past his best and being played out of position.
I wonder if we'll use Parker to pick up Ibra and keep Lescott as the sweeper or use both our centre backs and leave a lot of room.
4-4-2 just stacks up so incredibly poorly vs 4-2-3-1 (and it's varients), we're just lucky Sweden lack the dynamism from players other than Ibra to really make use of this tactical mismatch like Spain did to Ireland last night.
Yes I like the changes in the Swedish team. Three players who are thankfully removed: Lustig (Regular right fullback, but injured and sidelined for a long time before this tournament. He looked lost out there.) Toivonen (Pretty good player, but a striker asked to play as a winger which didn't work out.) Rosenberg (He is just not a good player at all at this level.)
Still, I don't have too high hopes. A draw isn't impossible but that probably won't be enough to advance. England will be dangerous on set pieces against this defense.
Ugh, fellow swedes help me out here, just realized SVT only broadcasts SOME of the games on svt play (and not this one), TV4 seems to only offer a stream to premium/paying users. Are there any international, legal, streams out there?
Sweden must win to be able to go through the group. Because this is the game we can win compared to the next against france. What happens when England goes for counter attacks and a tight good defensive game and we have to go full hard on attack to win?
Well maybe Hamrén will go for 0-0 in the end if he has the chance, but then the miracle we need is of double value.
4-4-2 vs 4-4-1-1 - going to be a tactical battle with both teams choosing very defensive starting formations. Hope Sweden can pull through (Ibra, do it for my fantasy team!). Also, aren't english fans also known for singing? That would be great
Let's hope Sweden wins and kicks England out of the tournament. The english team is such a joke, I can't believe they even qualified with this terrible squad. That happens if 99% of the EPL players are foreigners.
On June 16 2012 04:08 Brow23 wrote: Let's hope Sweden wins and kicks England out of the tournament. The english team is such a joke, I can't believe they even qualified with this terrible squad. That happens if 99% of the EPL players are foreigners.
Lol wut ? you mad? They ain't that bad lol, I'd give a ranking of about 8/9th of the 16 in the tournament
On June 16 2012 04:08 Brow23 wrote: Let's hope Sweden wins and kicks England out of the tournament. The english team is such a joke, I can't believe they even qualified with this terrible squad. That happens if 99% of the EPL players are foreigners.
On June 16 2012 04:08 Brow23 wrote: Let's hope Sweden wins and kicks England out of the tournament. The english team is such a joke, I can't believe they even qualified with this terrible squad. That happens if 99% of the EPL players are foreigners.
Spain will rape you anyway. Don't get too excited.
I want swe to win because I'm half swe, I want eng to win because Hassy was cool and wanted munich to win in CL finals. Not sure what to think of this game
On June 16 2012 04:16 Toadesstern wrote: I want swe to win because I'm half swe, I want eng to win because Hassy was cool and wanted munich to win in CL finals. Not sure what to think of this game
On June 16 2012 04:16 Toadesstern wrote: I want swe to win because I'm half swe, I want eng to win because Hassy was cool and wanted munich to win in CL finals. Not sure what to think of this game
On June 16 2012 04:16 Toadesstern wrote: I want swe to win because I'm half swe, I want eng to win because Hassy was cool and wanted munich to win in CL finals. Not sure what to think of this game
On June 16 2012 04:25 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: Andy Carroll shows us his only party trick. Can't really complain if he's scoring.
He is pretty useful with the head isn't he
About it though
If he does that 30-40 times a season then you can't really complain about it. The problem is he's so fantastically shit at every other aspect of the beautiful game you lose a hell of a lot by having him on the pitch in such a crucial position on the field.
On June 16 2012 04:25 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: Andy Carroll shows us his only party trick. Can't really complain if he's scoring.
He is pretty useful with the head isn't he
About it though
If he does that 30-40 times a season then you can't really complain about it. The problem is he's so fantastically shit at every other aspect of the beautiful game you lose a hell of a lot by having him on the pitch in such a crucial position on the field.
He has other uses too. He's pretty strong, so he can hold quite well until support comes. And I'm stretching to think of anything else...
On June 16 2012 04:25 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: Andy Carroll shows us his only party trick. Can't really complain if he's scoring.
He is pretty useful with the head isn't he
About it though
If he does that 30-40 times a season then you can't really complain about it. The problem is he's so fantastically shit at every other aspect of the beautiful game you lose a hell of a lot by having him on the pitch in such a crucial position on the field.
He has other uses too. He's pretty strong, so he can hold quite well until support comes. And I'm stretching to think of anything else...
That would be true if he didn't have the touch of a rapist and the vision of Stevie Wonder. He also is extremely profficient at giving away fouls when he's holding up play but sadly I have no metaphor for that.
On June 16 2012 04:25 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: Andy Carroll shows us his only party trick. Can't really complain if he's scoring.
He is pretty useful with the head isn't he
About it though
If he does that 30-40 times a season then you can't really complain about it. The problem is he's so fantastically shit at every other aspect of the beautiful game you lose a hell of a lot by having him on the pitch in such a crucial position on the field.
He has other uses too. He's pretty strong, so he can hold quite well until support comes. And I'm stretching to think of anything else...
That would be true if he didn't have the touch of a rapist and the vision of Stevie Wonder. He also is extremely profficient at giving away fouls when he's holding up play but sadly I have no metaphor for that.
I would argue, but that description is too good :D
On June 16 2012 04:44 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: Anyone else find it sad we need to resort to defensive football and playing on the counter versus Sweden of all teams?
Generally I'd agree with you, but Welbeck is pretty badass on the counter so
That's what happens when your team is pathetically incapable of keeping the ball. No one is asking them to play like Spain, but if you can't keep hold of the ball for more than 4~5 passes at this level, your choices are very limited. It might work out against teams like Sweden, but it won't win them tournaments.
On June 16 2012 04:44 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: Anyone else find it sad we need to resort to defensive football and playing on the counter versus Sweden of all teams?
On June 16 2012 04:44 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: Anyone else find it sad we need to resort to defensive football and playing on the counter versus Sweden of all teams?
Generally I'd agree with you, but Welbeck is pretty badass on the counter so
We're never going to play like Spain obviously.
But 10 years ago Germany were a fucking awful side who played crap football with a load of workhorses and one class player (Ballack). We're in that exact same situation with Rooney and we need a total rethink of the way we train our players in this country.
Hodgson might get results in the short term vs crap teams like Sweden but we'll never win anything or make any real progress without ditching long ball, 4-4-2 and punting it up to a big man.
We need a lot less Carroll's, Milner's and Parker's and a lot more Paul Scholes's.
On June 16 2012 04:44 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: Anyone else find it sad we need to resort to defensive football and playing on the counter versus Sweden of all teams?
That's won England the champions league
If it ain't broke don't fix it
People with this opinion are why England will only get worse long term.
On June 16 2012 04:44 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: Anyone else find it sad we need to resort to defensive football and playing on the counter versus Sweden of all teams?
Generally I'd agree with you, but Welbeck is pretty badass on the counter so
We're never going to play like Spain obviously.
But 10 years ago Germany were a fucking awful side who played crap football with a load of workhorses and one class player (Ballack). We're in that exact same situation with Rooney and we need a total rethink of the way we train our players in this country.
Hodgson might get results in the short term vs crap teams like Sweden but we'll never win anything or make any real progress without ditching long ball, 4-4-2 and punting it up to a big man.
We need a lot less Carroll's, Milner's and Parker's and a lot more Paul Scholes's.
Note that Englad has not beaten sweden since 1968 (besides some friendly game). Pretty cocky to call a team you can't beat crap.
On June 16 2012 04:44 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: Anyone else find it sad we need to resort to defensive football and playing on the counter versus Sweden of all teams?
Generally I'd agree with you, but Welbeck is pretty badass on the counter so
We're never going to play like Spain obviously.
But 10 years ago Germany were a fucking awful side who played crap football with a load of workhorses and one class player (Ballack). We're in that exact same situation with Rooney and we need a total rethink of the way we train our players in this country.
Hodgson might get results in the short term vs crap teams like Sweden but we'll never win anything or make any real progress without ditching long ball, 4-4-2 and punting it up to a big man.
We need a lot less Carroll's, Milner's and Parker's and a lot more Paul Scholes's.
Note that Englad has not beaten sweden since 1968 (besides some friendly game). Pretty cocky to call a team you can't beat crap.
On my scale of teams playing the worst football in tournament I'd rate you as third:
1st Ireland 2nd Greece 3rd Sweden 4th England
It seems to me that you're the definition of a one man team and your entire game plan is to pass to Ibrahimovic and hope he runs past 4 players and scores from 30 yards. Failing that there's not really any plan other than to run around a bit and punt more balls into Zlatan it the hope he makes something happen from nothing.
The fact that Granqvist is associated with Milan/Inter is fucking insane.
Oh and really I don't think Sweden is playing like shit this game, it's more the difference of a team having 1 great player compared to several great players.
On June 16 2012 04:44 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: Anyone else find it sad we need to resort to defensive football and playing on the counter versus Sweden of all teams?
Generally I'd agree with you, but Welbeck is pretty badass on the counter so
We're never going to play like Spain obviously.
But 10 years ago Germany were a fucking awful side who played crap football with a load of workhorses and one class player (Ballack). We're in that exact same situation with Rooney and we need a total rethink of the way we train our players in this country.
Hodgson might get results in the short term vs crap teams like Sweden but we'll never win anything or make any real progress without ditching long ball, 4-4-2 and punting it up to a big man.
We need a lot less Carroll's, Milner's and Parker's and a lot more Paul Scholes's.
Note that Englad has not beaten sweden since 1968 (besides some friendly game). Pretty cocky to call a team you can't beat crap.
On my scale of teams playing the worst football in tournament I'd rate you as third:
1st Ireland 2nd Greece 3rd Sweden 4th England
It seems to me that you're the definition of a one man team and your entire game plan is to pass to Ibrahimovic and hope he runs past 4 players and scores from 30 yards. Failing that there's not really any plan other than to run around a bit and punt more balls into Zlatan it the hope he makes something happen from nothing.
It sure is boring football, I've never said anything else. It's just a bit disrespectfull to call a team crap.
On June 16 2012 05:14 mememolly wrote: is micah richards even on the bench? glen jonhson is so shit
Hodgson in his infinite wisdom decided to bring the starter and reserve of the 8th best team in England instead of the starter of the best team in England.
On June 16 2012 05:14 mememolly wrote: is micah richards even on the bench? glen jonhson is so shit
Hodgson in his infinite wisdom decided to bring the starter and reserve of the 8th best team in England instead of the starter of the best team in England.
fucking hell, yeah because we don't need pace and power, we need indecision and shitty crosses
On June 16 2012 05:14 mememolly wrote: is micah richards even on the bench? glen jonhson is so shit
Hodgson in his infinite wisdom decided to bring the starter and reserve of the 8th best team in England instead of the starter of the best team in England.
Didn't Richards turn down the chance to join the squad
On June 16 2012 04:44 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: Anyone else find it sad we need to resort to defensive football and playing on the counter versus Sweden of all teams?
Generally I'd agree with you, but Welbeck is pretty badass on the counter so
We're never going to play like Spain obviously.
But 10 years ago Germany were a fucking awful side who played crap football with a load of workhorses and one class player (Ballack). We're in that exact same situation with Rooney and we need a total rethink of the way we train our players in this country.
Hodgson might get results in the short term vs crap teams like Sweden but we'll never win anything or make any real progress without ditching long ball, 4-4-2 and punting it up to a big man.
We need a lot less Carroll's, Milner's and Parker's and a lot more Paul Scholes's.
Note that Englad has not beaten sweden since 1968 (besides some friendly game). Pretty cocky to call a team you can't beat crap.
On my scale of teams playing the worst football in tournament I'd rate you as third:
1st Ireland 2nd Greece 3rd Sweden 4th England
It seems to me that you're the definition of a one man team and your entire game plan is to pass to Ibrahimovic and hope he runs past 4 players and scores from 30 yards. Failing that there's not really any plan other than to run around a bit and punt more balls into Zlatan it the hope he makes something happen from nothing.
You can skip eating your hat and sink your teeth into some tomatoes and radio wires imo.
Edit: Oops, I'll order mine with extra salt and a twist of lemon.
On June 16 2012 05:34 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: And that people from countries other than England is why we don't normally pick Andy Carroll. Anything other than heading he is fucking useless.
Considering our inability to defend any kind of set piece, that's not a bad choice.
On June 16 2012 05:34 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: And that people from countries other than England is why we don't normally pick Andy Carroll. Anything other than heading he is fucking useless.
Im still amased that anyone would pay 38mil pounds for that
On June 16 2012 05:37 Rebs wrote: Not so bad are they England when they try to play ?
eh, it's same old. defend and defend and hold on and then pray for a good counterattack/cross
But atleast theyre getting forward. Its not Welbeck by himself swatting flys waiting for the occasional ball. I dont care if they defend as long as they actually attack when they counter.
On June 16 2012 05:39 The KY wrote: England being involved in a half decent game?
Gosh.
It's entertaining because both teams suck about an equal amount.
Isn't it great?
I mean, Sweden v England, we're not exactly going to be treated to a blistering example of top shelf football are we? Usually in England games we're shit AND it's boring.
On June 16 2012 05:39 The KY wrote: England being involved in a half decent game?
Gosh.
It's entertaining because both teams suck about an equal amount.
Isn't it great?
I mean, Sweden v England, we're not exactly going to be treated to a blistering example of top shelf football are we? Usually in England games we're shit AND it's boring.
Haha, true, I thought we were going to be witnessing a boring ass 1-0 English win. This might not be two top teams, but at least it's an entertaininn war.
I actually got my hopes up there. If Sweden played this well against Ukraine we would still have a shot at advancing. England was more dangerous, well deserved win. And the last goal, WOW!
On June 16 2012 04:08 Brow23 wrote: Let's hope Sweden wins and kicks England out of the tournament. The english team is such a joke, I can't believe they even qualified with this terrible squad. That happens if 99% of the EPL players are foreigners.
who ever gets second in this group: you have my pity ... you could as well go home after the group stage if the alternative is facing spain in the round of 8 :D
On June 16 2012 05:55 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: Shitty football but we did play a bit once Milner fucked off and we got Walcott on. Shame we can't drop Glenn Johnsen for Richards but hey ho.
4 points from France/Sweden is a really good result I'd say and now we have Rooney back we should look a lot less useless next game.
I just hope he picks Rooney/Welbeck not Rooney/Carroll.
Phil Jones is an option as well. He's amazingly versatile so I don't know why he's not played
On June 16 2012 05:57 JoelB wrote: who ever gets second in this group: you have my pity ... you could as well go home after the group stage if the alternative is facing spain in the round of 8 :D
I dont know, England can turtle really well. They have nearly 50 years of peoples prayers getting jammed up the heaven pipeline, somethings got to give, surely ?
England deserve to win this game, the 2nd half is crazy. That goal from Welbeck is one of this euro's best up to this point. He always got some much flair in him. And now Rooney can play, I wonder who will be taken out for a place of Rooney
On June 16 2012 05:59 Caphe wrote: England deserve to win this game, the 2nd half is crazy. That goal from Welbeck is one of this euro's best up to this point. He always got some much flair in him. And now Rooney can play, I wonder who will be taken out for a place of Rooney
Caroll,
He can head it and he can smash it once in a while but meh, Welbeck is just a far better option.
Hard to tell how good/bad Hamren is. The players to his disposal was quite bad compared to the last decade imo. I wouldn't mind giving him another shot.
On June 16 2012 05:59 Caphe wrote: England deserve to win this game, the 2nd half is crazy. That goal from Welbeck is one of this euro's best up to this point. He always got some much flair in him. And now Rooney can play, I wonder who will be taken out for a place of Rooney
On June 16 2012 05:55 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: Shitty football but we did play a bit once Milner fucked off and we got Walcott on. Shame we can't drop Glenn Johnsen for Richards but hey ho.
4 points from France/Sweden is a really good result I'd say and now we have Rooney back we should look a lot less useless next game.
I just hope he picks Rooney/Welbeck not Rooney/Carroll.
Phil Jones is an option as well. He's amazingly versatile so I don't know why he's not played
I'm a United fan so I've seen a lot of Phil Jones.
Jones is a talented player and in the future I think he'll be a starter for England either in midfield or at centre back.
Right now though he's extremely naive positionally and given he's against Yarmalenko (Ukraine's best player) I think I'd prefer Johnson. For all Johnson's endless lapses in concentration and bad positioning he's a least very, very quick so can make up for it.
Jones's isn't that quick and right back is probably his worst position (so much so we play Rafael, Fabio and Smalling ahead of him at full back).
On June 16 2012 05:57 JoelB wrote: who ever gets second in this group: you have my pity ... you could as well go home after the group stage if the alternative is facing spain in the round of 8 :D
Italy and Croatia both look really good too so it won't be easy for 1st place either.
On June 16 2012 05:57 JoelB wrote: who ever gets second in this group: you have my pity ... you could as well go home after the group stage if the alternative is facing spain in the round of 8 :D
I dont know, England can turtle really well. They have nearly 50 years of peoples prayers getting jammed up the heaven pipeline, somethings got to give, surely ?
turtle you will, if you want it or not ... the only chance is to destroy their game, frustrate them and play pressing like there is no tomorrow.
On June 16 2012 05:55 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: Shitty football but we did play a bit once Milner fucked off and we got Walcott on. Shame we can't drop Glenn Johnsen for Richards but hey ho.
4 points from France/Sweden is a really good result I'd say and now we have Rooney back we should look a lot less useless next game.
I just hope he picks Rooney/Welbeck not Rooney/Carroll.
Phil Jones is an option as well. He's amazingly versatile so I don't know why he's not played
I'm a United fan so I've seen a lot of Phil Jones.
Jones is a talented player and in the future I think he'll be a starter for England either in midfield or at centre back.
Right now though he's extremely naive positionally and given he's against Yarmalenko (Ukraine's best player) I think I'd prefer Johnson. For all Johnson's endless lapses in concentration and bad positioning he's a least very, very quick so can make up for it.
Jones's isn't that quick and right back is probably his worst position (so much so we play Rafael, Fabio and Smalling ahead of him at full back).
Jones's isn't ready for this stage yet imo.
I'm also a United fan (yay :D)
I agree. I think Jones works better as a holding midfielder. But I think he'll most definitely be an option if they need it.
I dunno, I thought Johnson played really well that game :3
On June 16 2012 05:55 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: Shitty football but we did play a bit once Milner fucked off and we got Walcott on. Shame we can't drop Glenn Johnsen for Richards but hey ho.
4 points from France/Sweden is a really good result I'd say and now we have Rooney back we should look a lot less useless next game.
I just hope he picks Rooney/Welbeck not Rooney/Carroll.
Phil Jones is an option as well. He's amazingly versatile so I don't know why he's not played
I'm a United fan so I've seen a lot of Phil Jones.
Jones is a talented player and in the future I think he'll be a starter for England either in midfield or at centre back.
Right now though he's extremely naive positionally and given he's against Yarmalenko (Ukraine's best player) I think I'd prefer Johnson. For all Johnson's endless lapses in concentration and bad positioning he's a least very, very quick so can make up for it.
Jones's isn't that quick and right back is probably his worst position (so much so we play Rafael, Fabio and Smalling ahead of him at full back).
Jones's isn't ready for this stage yet imo.
I'm also a United fan (yay :D)
I agree. I think Jones works better as a holding midfielder. But I think he'll most definitely be an option if they need it.
I dunno, I thought Johnson played really well that game :3
He played Mellberg onside for their first.
He was marking (or rather not marking) Mellberg for their second.
He let their left back Ollson come inside him for the Kallstrom chance which he should have scored.
On June 16 2012 06:01 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: Hard to tell how good/bad Hamren is. The players to his disposal was quite bad compared to the last decade imo. I wouldn't mind giving him another shot.
On June 16 2012 05:55 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: Shitty football but we did play a bit once Milner fucked off and we got Walcott on. Shame we can't drop Glenn Johnsen for Richards but hey ho.
4 points from France/Sweden is a really good result I'd say and now we have Rooney back we should look a lot less useless next game.
I just hope he picks Rooney/Welbeck not Rooney/Carroll.
Phil Jones is an option as well. He's amazingly versatile so I don't know why he's not played
I'm a United fan so I've seen a lot of Phil Jones.
Jones is a talented player and in the future I think he'll be a starter for England either in midfield or at centre back.
Right now though he's extremely naive positionally and given he's against Yarmalenko (Ukraine's best player) I think I'd prefer Johnson. For all Johnson's endless lapses in concentration and bad positioning he's a least very, very quick so can make up for it.
Jones's isn't that quick and right back is probably his worst position (so much so we play Rafael, Fabio and Smalling ahead of him at full back).
Jones's isn't ready for this stage yet imo.
I'm also a United fan (yay :D)
I agree. I think Jones works better as a holding midfielder. But I think he'll most definitely be an option if they need it.
I dunno, I thought Johnson played really well that game :3
He played Melberg onside for their first.
He was marking Melberg for their second.
He let their left back Ollson come inside him for the Kallstrom chance which he should have scored.
He was completely at fault for both their goals.
Now come on, you can't blame Johnson for what was 100% Ashley Cole's fault. If Cole was even remotely paying attention he could have stopped Mellberg...
Second one I'm with you, but he held the right very well throughout the game, and always went forward. In contrast, Cole was asleep
On June 16 2012 05:55 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: Shitty football but we did play a bit once Milner fucked off and we got Walcott on. Shame we can't drop Glenn Johnsen for Richards but hey ho.
4 points from France/Sweden is a really good result I'd say and now we have Rooney back we should look a lot less useless next game.
I just hope he picks Rooney/Welbeck not Rooney/Carroll.
Phil Jones is an option as well. He's amazingly versatile so I don't know why he's not played
I'm a United fan so I've seen a lot of Phil Jones.
Jones is a talented player and in the future I think he'll be a starter for England either in midfield or at centre back.
Right now though he's extremely naive positionally and given he's against Yarmalenko (Ukraine's best player) I think I'd prefer Johnson. For all Johnson's endless lapses in concentration and bad positioning he's a least very, very quick so can make up for it.
Jones's isn't that quick and right back is probably his worst position (so much so we play Rafael, Fabio and Smalling ahead of him at full back).
Jones's isn't ready for this stage yet imo.
I'm also a United fan (yay :D)
I agree. I think Jones works better as a holding midfielder. But I think he'll most definitely be an option if they need it.
I dunno, I thought Johnson played really well that game :3
He played Melberg onside for their first.
He was marking Melberg for their second.
He let their left back Ollson come inside him for the Kallstrom chance which he should have scored.
He was completely at fault for both their goals.
Now come on, you can't blame Johnson for what was 100% Ashley Cole's fault. If Cole was even remotely paying attention he could have stopped Mellberg...
Second one I'm with you, but he held the right very well throughout the game, and always went forward. In contrast, Cole was asleep
I disagree. You can't really account for the random bounce of the ball with deflections. Cole did what Terry and Lescott and any other decent defender would do. They moved out as a unit to play their forwards offside, it's standard defending 101 to do that in those situations as you can see from the fact our other three defenders all did the same thing.
If Johnson had done it Mellberg would have been offside just like he should have been.
Cole had a solid game imo didn't make any defensive mistakes for me. Young had a mare in front of him which meant our left flank created very little but Cole's on the pitch to defend primarily, especially in our setup.
On June 16 2012 06:01 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: Hard to tell how good/bad Hamren is. The players to his disposal was quite bad compared to the last decade imo. I wouldn't mind giving him another shot.
Young was very disappointing this game though, would like to see more Oxlade-Chamberlain. But then again, if it's Young/Welbeck/Rooney, their chemistry could be vital for Ukraine
On June 16 2012 05:55 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: Shitty football but we did play a bit once Milner fucked off and we got Walcott on. Shame we can't drop Glenn Johnsen for Richards but hey ho.
4 points from France/Sweden is a really good result I'd say and now we have Rooney back we should look a lot less useless next game.
I just hope he picks Rooney/Welbeck not Rooney/Carroll.
Phil Jones is an option as well. He's amazingly versatile so I don't know why he's not played
I'm a United fan so I've seen a lot of Phil Jones.
Jones is a talented player and in the future I think he'll be a starter for England either in midfield or at centre back.
Right now though he's extremely naive positionally and given he's against Yarmalenko (Ukraine's best player) I think I'd prefer Johnson. For all Johnson's endless lapses in concentration and bad positioning he's a least very, very quick so can make up for it.
Jones's isn't that quick and right back is probably his worst position (so much so we play Rafael, Fabio and Smalling ahead of him at full back).
Jones's isn't ready for this stage yet imo.
I'm also a United fan (yay :D)
I agree. I think Jones works better as a holding midfielder. But I think he'll most definitely be an option if they need it.
I dunno, I thought Johnson played really well that game :3
He played Melberg onside for their first.
He was marking Melberg for their second.
He let their left back Ollson come inside him for the Kallstrom chance which he should have scored.
He was completely at fault for both their goals.
Now come on, you can't blame Johnson for what was 100% Ashley Cole's fault. If Cole was even remotely paying attention he could have stopped Mellberg...
Second one I'm with you, but he held the right very well throughout the game, and always went forward. In contrast, Cole was asleep
I disagree. You can't really account for the random bounce of the ball with deflections. Cole did what Terry and Lescott and any other decent defender would do. They moved out as a unit to play their forwards offside, it's standard defending 101 to do that in those situations as you can see from the fact our other three defenders all did the same thing.
If Johnson had done it Mellberg would have been offside just like he should have been.
Cole had a solid game imo didn't make any defensive mistakes for me. Young had a mare in front of him which meant our left flank created very little but Cole's on the pitch to defend primarily, especially in our setup.
I guess we'll agree to disagree. The pundits int he BBC said the same. If you watch the replay, you saw the Milner aws tracking his man in the box while Ashley Cole stood there and had absolutely no idea where Mellberg was. That to me is a major defensive fuckup
On June 16 2012 05:55 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: Shitty football but we did play a bit once Milner fucked off and we got Walcott on. Shame we can't drop Glenn Johnsen for Richards but hey ho.
4 points from France/Sweden is a really good result I'd say and now we have Rooney back we should look a lot less useless next game.
I just hope he picks Rooney/Welbeck not Rooney/Carroll.
Phil Jones is an option as well. He's amazingly versatile so I don't know why he's not played
I'm a United fan so I've seen a lot of Phil Jones.
Jones is a talented player and in the future I think he'll be a starter for England either in midfield or at centre back.
Right now though he's extremely naive positionally and given he's against Yarmalenko (Ukraine's best player) I think I'd prefer Johnson. For all Johnson's endless lapses in concentration and bad positioning he's a least very, very quick so can make up for it.
Jones's isn't that quick and right back is probably his worst position (so much so we play Rafael, Fabio and Smalling ahead of him at full back).
Jones's isn't ready for this stage yet imo.
I'm also a United fan (yay :D)
I agree. I think Jones works better as a holding midfielder. But I think he'll most definitely be an option if they need it.
I dunno, I thought Johnson played really well that game :3
He played Melberg onside for their first.
He was marking Melberg for their second.
He let their left back Ollson come inside him for the Kallstrom chance which he should have scored.
He was completely at fault for both their goals.
Now come on, you can't blame Johnson for what was 100% Ashley Cole's fault. If Cole was even remotely paying attention he could have stopped Mellberg...
Second one I'm with you, but he held the right very well throughout the game, and always went forward. In contrast, Cole was asleep
I disagree. You can't really account for the random bounce of the ball with deflections. Cole did what Terry and Lescott and any other decent defender would do. They moved out as a unit to play their forwards offside, it's standard defending 101 to do that in those situations as you can see from the fact our other three defenders all did the same thing.
If Johnson had done it Mellberg would have been offside just like he should have been.
Cole had a solid game imo didn't make any defensive mistakes for me. Young had a mare in front of him which meant our left flank created very little but Cole's on the pitch to defend primarily, especially in our setup.
I guess we'll agree to disagree. The pundits int he BBC said the same. If you watch the replay, you saw the Milner aws tracking his man in the box while Ashley Cole stood there and had absolutely no idea where Mellberg was. That to me is a major defensive fuckup
I'm in Italy at the moment and Italian TV didn't consider the game interesting enough to show any replays at all so I can't rewatch it unfortunately.
On June 16 2012 06:40 iMonAhorsE wrote: and i thought chelsea used up all luck for english football for the next 10 years...
Well, Hodson is a manager that known for his willingness to take risk and luck or not, this game has gone well for him. He played with 2 forward which is a rare sight in recent times(since Mourinho surfaces!!!) and one of them is a rockie from ManU the other has a sloppy season at Liverpool but they re-paid him well.
On June 16 2012 07:08 GeorgeH wrote: If Mellberg had scored a hatrick I swear... I would've...
Actually Johnson got credit for the first goal :p Quite weird imo, as I thought the rule of thumb for own goals was that the interference had to cause a ball that otherwise wouldn't go in to go in. Seems like that was not the case. But I was drunk so what the hell do I know.
On June 16 2012 06:17 grobo wrote: 5minutes of happiness, that's all you get as a Swede in this life.
Fucking hell, where's my whiskey..?
after sundays match against germany, i'll come join you
hahahah that made me laugh but i really fear this too xD! Realistically if we play up to the best of our best i expect a 1-1 Germany is just too good
German fans and media are terribly overconfident, already celebrating reaching the quarterfinals and calling for the bench to play against Denmark. I hope Löw won't cave in, or we'll lose to Denmark and, subsequently, get eliminated after all. Sure our starting eleven look very strong, and our bench is full of quality - but they've never played a match together (other than against Switzerland, and everyone knows how THAT ended...)
On June 16 2012 07:08 GeorgeH wrote: If Mellberg had scored a hatrick I swear... I would've...
Actually Johnson got credit for the first goal :p Quite weird imo, as I thought the rule of thumb for own goals was that the interference had to cause a ball that otherwise wouldn't go in to go in. Seems like that was not the case. But I was drunk so what the hell do I know.
It didn't look like it was going in without him I don't think, Hart saved, it bounced off johnson, then he went after it and it went off the post and in I think? :s
On June 16 2012 07:08 GeorgeH wrote: If Mellberg had scored a hatrick I swear... I would've...
Actually Johnson got credit for the first goal :p Quite weird imo, as I thought the rule of thumb for own goals was that the interference had to cause a ball that otherwise wouldn't go in to go in. Seems like that was not the case. But I was drunk so what the hell do I know.
It didn't look like it was going in without him I don't think, Hart saved, it bounced off johnson, then he went after it and it went off the post and in I think? :s
Like I said I was drunk, more likely the officials got it right than me. I can barely remember what happened Unfortunate situation for Johnson, not much he could've done. I think :p
so i guess now that walcott managed to benefit from bad goalkeeping for the one that he bagged, and welbz's incredible improvised finishing for the bad cross that he laid in, the press will look at the two scorepoints and demand he starts against ukraine despite the fact the only reason he should ever start a match is that he isn't downing
On June 16 2012 08:17 sixfour wrote: so i guess now that walcott managed to benefit from bad goalkeeping for the one that he bagged, and welbz's incredible improvised finishing for the bad cross that he laid in, the press will look at the two scorepoints and demand he starts against ukraine despite the fact the only reason he should ever start a match is that he isn't downing
The fuck are you on about
Walcott nailed the first goal, it doesn't matter what the fuck the keepers doing you keep that shit on target and hope the ball swerves.
2nd goal was pure fucking genius from walcott, I don't have to be a fanboy of him to appreciate what brilliance running in the space with just his pure speed between the 2 defenders was. Any slight touch he gets a penalty because euro refs, 9/10 he's getting the cross in regardless
welbeck went in with terrible posture to score that but got fucking lucky it went in but as chelseas run through the CL showed sometimes you just need a fuckton of luck
On June 16 2012 05:37 Asha` wrote: Great finish from Welbeck
On June 16 2012 05:37 Rebs wrote: Not so bad are they England when they try to play ?
eh, it's same old. defend and defend and hold on and then pray for a good counterattack/cross
But atleast theyre getting forward. Its not Welbeck by himself swatting flys waiting for the occasional ball. I dont care if they defend as long as they actually attack when they counter.
I'd rather win 1-0 than 3-2.
Welbeck, goal of the tournament. You won't see a better one.
Yeah you would wouldnt you.
As for the goal, United fanboyism aside, probably will alot of football to be played.
On June 16 2012 06:01 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: Hard to tell how good/bad Hamren is. The players to his disposal was quite bad compared to the last decade imo. I wouldn't mind giving him another shot.
On June 16 2012 05:37 Asha` wrote: Great finish from Welbeck
On June 16 2012 05:37 Rebs wrote: Not so bad are they England when they try to play ?
eh, it's same old. defend and defend and hold on and then pray for a good counterattack/cross
But atleast theyre getting forward. Its not Welbeck by himself swatting flys waiting for the occasional ball. I dont care if they defend as long as they actually attack when they counter.
I'd rather win 1-0 than 3-2.
Welbeck, goal of the tournament. You won't see a better one.
Yeah you would wouldnt you.
As for the goal, United fanboyism aside, probably will alot of football to be played.
Only a dumb person would prefer for their team to win by the same margin whilst conceding more goals. From a neutral standpoint, 3-2 is probably the better result. But I am not looking at this from a neutral standpoint.
And no. No bias. That's the goal of the tournament, right there. A back-heeled volley from a cross that was pinged at you, all whilst spinning through the air? You're not gonna see anything better in this tournament.
Or you could just be happy they eeked out the win. being brave on counters had little to do with the goals they conceded. Or are you seriously suggesting England shouldve turtled more hardcore against the technical prowess of Sweden.
From 5 odd yards out thats nothing that hasnt happened regularly enough.. Goal of the tournament so far though, wasnt a conventional volley anyway where you need to generate the pace which is what actually makes it hard, just guided it, the pace on the cross did the rest. Also he wasnt "spinning" through anything he turned his back to goal at best and certainly wasnt spinning in the air. his planted foot never leaves the ground.
Its effectively the same skillset you need to turn with the ball. Its a backheel of a cross, Berbatov has quite a few of those no one ever raves about him.
The really impressive part was getting ahead and outhustling his marker for position. After that its just instinct and a bit of luck on whether you pull it off now. But he did the things within his control perfectly.
On June 16 2012 06:01 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: Hard to tell how good/bad Hamren is. The players to his disposal was quite bad compared to the last decade imo. I wouldn't mind giving him another shot.
Pretty easy to tell how bad/naive he is.
No, not really.
Yes, really.
He's made some mistakes. He's taken some risks and yeah, one can argue they were naive, but he's also shown he can correct his mistakes. Hopefully he'll take this as a learning experience and build a strong team from it. There have never been a doubt in my mind this is the weakest Swedish squad to have made it to a championship since... I don't know, as far as I can remember, which is 1994. We would've needed a magician to make something good happen this Euro.
On June 16 2012 05:37 Asha` wrote: Great finish from Welbeck
On June 16 2012 05:37 Rebs wrote: Not so bad are they England when they try to play ?
eh, it's same old. defend and defend and hold on and then pray for a good counterattack/cross
But atleast theyre getting forward. Its not Welbeck by himself swatting flys waiting for the occasional ball. I dont care if they defend as long as they actually attack when they counter.
I'd rather win 1-0 than 3-2.
Welbeck, goal of the tournament. You won't see a better one.
Yeah you would wouldnt you.
As for the goal, United fanboyism aside, probably will alot of football to be played.
Only a dumb person would prefer for their team to win by the same margin whilst conceding more goals. From a neutral standpoint, 3-2 is probably the better result. But I am not looking at this from a neutral standpoint.
And no. No bias. That's the goal of the tournament, right there. A back-heeled volley from a cross that was pinged at you, all whilst spinning through the air? You're not gonna see anything better in this tournament.
actually i think some tournaments go on goal difference and then goals scored so its better to win 3-2 than 1-0
just a bit of fyi
if you both draw 1-1 then you win 3-2 and the other team wins 1-0 then you would go through on goals scored.. crazy eh
On June 16 2012 07:14 stichtom wrote: The 2-2 was weird. What was the goalkeeper thinking?
I'm guessing there were too many bodies in the way and he couldn't see it. There has also been talk of a slight deflection but I couldn't see it on any replay. He did seem to be wrongfooted, though, which would support the deflection theory.
[/QUOTE] Only a dumb person would prefer for their team to win by the same margin whilst conceding more goals. From a neutral standpoint, 3-2 is probably the better result. But I am not looking at this from a neutral standpoint.
And no. No bias. That's the goal of the tournament, right there. A back-heeled volley from a cross that was pinged at you, all whilst spinning through the air? You're not gonna see anything better in this tournament.[/QUOTE]
this. Honestly was fantastic, only way he could have scored was that as well. Truly a incredible goal. I love how people who hate united are all like OMGZZ IT WAS LUCK, but if that was Gerrard or Henderson or anyone from Liverpool doing the same thing they would be jizzing about how good the goal was etc. Its sad quite frankly
On the game, when it was 2 - 1 SWE, i was like lol game over, didn't expect them to come back. It does pose a problem for the coming games, both strikers got a goal but Rooney cant be left out. Does he play a more attacking mid role and have two strikers, or one striker with him just behind, or him as the lone striker. Credit to Walcott, im not gonna jump on the wagon quite yet as he very often underperforms but he did well today. I think if we play well we can easily beat Ukraine and get out of the group. A issue though is how is a tie decided, I know for the Euros its head to head, but if France + England win the next game they will be tied at the top. Does it go to goal difference after? If so the perfect result would be sweden beating France, We beat Ukraine so it finishes Us, France, Ukraine, Sweden.
On June 16 2012 06:25 samw wrote: If we get through and meet Spain in the round of 8, It will be an absolute massacre, most of the England team will need anus reconstruction surgery.
I agree to a point, I would rather play italy or croatia than them, but people forget we beat them fairly recently in a friendly. Admittedly only a friendly, but we turtled and we won, although the last 30 mins were a siege of epic proportions on our goal. I think with this team and playing well, with Rooney back too, we could maybe give them some problems. Minus Italy I think it would be one of the harder games they've played in the tournament.
I'm still reeling from the game (comes on too late here in K-Land so I catch the morning replay)
I scan the comments and see the same old same old... lucky England this, easy match that, blah blah blah
People can say what they will but this team went down a goal and came back from behind. Its a character win through and through, and its about freckin time England had one. Great victory for the 3 Lions and it should provide enough moment to overcome a suddenly vulnerable Ukraine.
Think you gotta play the Young - Welbeck/Rooney trio, get that United chemistry going.
People have been talking a lot about Welbeck's goal so far. Sure it's fancy and whatnot but personally I prefer the first goal of England overall. I love things that are simple and precise. One touch, one cross, one header and one goal, no fucking around. I think Gerrard has been brilliant in the first two games of England, even though he was severely shadowed by his heavy involvement in the team's defense. Regardless, when the team needed, he fucking delivered like a boss.
On another note, Young's performance has been sub-par in my opinion. Maybe in the Ukraine match they should let Chamberlain play instead of him. Or maybe they will keep him for the synergy with Rooney and Welbeck i dunno.
Personally was happy with all three goals Solid header from a great cross, loved the 'Well, fuck me' expression on Walcott's face when his goal went in, and his drive and pass, not to mention Welbeck's heel (luck or skill? Who cares?), was a great goal. Not sure it aws goal of the tournament so far, but a great one nonetheless.
What pissed me off was the goals we conceded. Very poor defending to let Mellberg be free both times, both free kicks didn't need to happen and were conceded by sloppy, unnecessary tackles - ignore the fact Carroll was fouled moments before, if you aren't going to reach the ball don't fricken' tackle unless you're happy to concede the foul. Hodgson needs to impress on the lads that this game should have been 3-0.
Good subs by Hodgson but he's left in a difficult position re. Walcott/Milner. Walcott is a much bigger goal threat. He can dribble better, cross about the same and has his pace and shooting to rely on whereas Milner has....stamina, I guess. But England managers have been playing Milner more often recently, because Milner is better at tracking back and covering, and the right side is where we're weaker. Johnson is not a good defender - he was at fault for the first goal, and at fault for the second - he was supposed to be marking Mellberg there. Milner is on the side to help cover the right side and help the attacking-minded Johnson to close down and defend. Walcott is a good impact sub against tired legs, but tbh he's a better player than Milner, for all his faults. I'm guessing Hodgson will keep Milner in, but maybe give Walcott more game time.
Also lol at Ibra drinking from Hart's water bottle. It might be because Hart pushed the Swedes away from him when they celebrated in his face, so Ibra turned and told him to fuck off. Apparently he's fluent in English (expletives, at least ).
Watched this at the Casino. Amazing atmosphere, so many pom fans. Hilarious to see Walcott score, get an assist, then immediately get injured.
Also Welbeck's touch was sooooooooooooo sick. and it amazes me that Glen Johnson is starting for RB. I think everyone now wants Micah Richards there for future tournaments.
On June 16 2012 14:46 GTR wrote: and it amazes me that Glen Johnson is starting for RB. I think everyone now wants Micah Richards there for future tournaments.
On June 16 2012 14:46 GTR wrote: and it amazes me that Glen Johnson is starting for RB. I think everyone now wants Micah Richards there for future tournaments.
Everyone I know wanted him in the first place....
I talked to a bunch of Pom fans on the train home, and that's what they told me as well. I mean from a neutral perspective, I suppose.
Yep, it was luck that Walcott kicked the ball towards goal with a swerve on it, and it was luck that he drove through the defence like they weren't there, passed the ball directly to Welbeck and he backheeled it. I guess we were lucky that the Swedish keeper was a bit crappy and Welbeck heeled it backwards and the goal happened to be there, but hey, a bit of luck never hurt after the hard work, eh?
On June 16 2012 15:32 Sanctimonius wrote: Yep, it was luck that Walcott kicked the ball towards goal with a swerve on it, and it was luck that he drove through the defence like they weren't there, passed the ball directly to Welbeck and he backheeled it. I guess we were lucky that the Swedish keeper was a bit crappy and Welbeck heeled it backwards and the goal happened to be there, but hey, a bit of luck never hurt after the hard work, eh?
I watched the reply a few times and it didn't look like it deflected off a defender, I think the keeper was just thrown by the swerve and seeing it too late. Could be wrong but it looked like he lifted it over both of them in front of him.
Lol wtf.. there was like no luck at all in either of those goals. They were beauties. I watched the rep a few times too and I don't see a deflection either.
On June 16 2012 16:00 Sanctimonius wrote: I watched the reply a few times and it didn't look like it deflected off a defender, I think the keeper was just thrown by the swerve and seeing it too late. Could be wrong but it looked like he lifted it over both of them in front of him.
Online quality isn't really good enough to be sure, but I thought the shot grazed the calf of the Swedish player right in front of him. Well, we would have to ask the player right in front of him edit: Nice goal anyway.
Walcott’s strike was deflected (look at Sebastian Larsson’s sock when the ball goes past it) and the nature of the strike didn’t illustrate what he was bringing to the game (directness and width), but he was the appropriate goalscorer.
Watched this with some englishmen in the hotel I'm staying at in Stockholm, it was pretty fun despite the result. And the third english goal was so sexy I can't even be pissed off about it.
Walcott’s strike was deflected (look at Sebastian Larsson’s sock when the ball goes past it) and the nature of the strike didn’t illustrate what he was bringing to the game (directness and width), but he was the appropriate goalscorer.
Yup, it was clear from one of the replay angles that the ball hit the shin of the defender.
Of course, the English media will forget that and start claiming that Walcott is the saviour of English football, again. He definitely changed the game for the better though, so credit where it's due. Thought Ashley Young was pretty useless all game - provided next to nothing going forward and all of the Swedish attacks came down his flank because he's so average defensively.
On June 16 2012 05:37 Asha` wrote: Great finish from Welbeck
On June 16 2012 05:37 Rebs wrote: Not so bad are they England when they try to play ?
eh, it's same old. defend and defend and hold on and then pray for a good counterattack/cross
But atleast theyre getting forward. Its not Welbeck by himself swatting flys waiting for the occasional ball. I dont care if they defend as long as they actually attack when they counter.
I'd rather win 1-0 than 3-2.
Welbeck, goal of the tournament. You won't see a better one.
I thought there was a fair bit of luck in Welbeck's goal to be honest. Looked like his mis controlled it and it went in anyway.
I liked Kuba's goal for Poland against Russia more.
On June 16 2012 14:46 GTR wrote: and it amazes me that Glen Johnson is starting for RB. I think everyone now wants Micah Richards there for future tournaments.
Everyone I know wanted him in the first place....
I talked to a bunch of Pom fans on the train home, and that's what they told me as well. I mean from a neutral perspective, I suppose.
Just for the record, why do you call us POM's when you were our prisoners?!!!!!
What a game, fuck me if England keep doing that i think many fans will die >.< stupid. So comfertable at HT to most anxious we have looked all tournament. Oh well a win is a win! GG Move on.
For the record, Walcott's goal was not deflected xD Watched it 100s of times on HD TV and the keeper though it was swerving to the right or he compleltly didn't see it. It just kept straight and wobbled in the air as that's what these tango balls do. But if Walcott and Rooney don't start vs Ukraine i will be very unhappy. Also Carroll deserves to play as well he was fantastic, defensively heading away corners and running around for 90minutes, best i have seen him play!
On June 16 2012 21:21 Pandemona wrote: For the record, Walcott's goal was not deflected xD Watched it 100s of times on HD TV and the keeper though it was swerving to the right or he compleltly didn't see it. It just kept straight and wobbled in the air as that's what these tango balls do.
Didn't watch it live but checked now and that looks like a knuckleball to me. There is a notable change of direction in the first 5 meters of flight after which the ball starts slowly turning thus losing most of it's curve and just goes straight. It's not really the balls fault, although some balls don't start curling as easily as others causing knuckleballs more often. We have seen a few interesting shots yet the tango is nothing like Jabulani from what I can tell.
Anyone feel free to watch that shot from top view and say that ball doesn't curve.
Yeah this is much better than the jabulani - that was an awful tournament ball. Whoever had the idea of making a completely new style of ball for the world tournament was an idiot.
Still maintain there was no deflection, just a wicked dip and a smart curve. Keeper just saw it change direction too late and was already going left.
On June 16 2012 21:21 Pandemona wrote: For the record, Walcott's goal was not deflected xD Watched it 100s of times on HD TV and the keeper though it was swerving to the right or he compleltly didn't see it. It just kept straight and wobbled in the air as that's what these tango balls do.
Didn't watch it live but checked now and that looks like a knuckleball to me. There is a notable change of direction in the first 5 meters of flight after which the ball starts slowly turning thus losing most of it's curve and just goes straight. It's not really the balls fault, although some balls don't start curling as easily as others causing knuckleballs more often. We have seen a few interesting shots yet the tango is nothing like Jabulani from what I can tell.
Anyone feel free to watch that shot from top view and say that ball doesn't curve.
Yeah i agree,but i think the keeper (assuming he saw it) thought it was going to curl right and didn't. But i agree the ball is no where near as bad as the Jubalini, but i beleive it still wobbles in the air when hit hard and straight, it's not that off putting i don't think though, but hey i was never a keeper when playing so i cant judge.
On June 16 2012 21:21 Pandemona wrote: What a game, fuck me if England keep doing that i think many fans will die >.< stupid. So comfertable at HT to most anxious we have looked all tournament. Oh well a win is a win! GG Move on.
For the record, Walcott's goal was not deflected xD Watched it 100s of times on HD TV and the keeper though it was swerving to the right or he compleltly didn't see it. It just kept straight and wobbled in the air as that's what these tango balls do. But if Walcott and Rooney don't start vs Ukraine i will be very unhappy. Also Carroll deserves to play as well he was fantastic, defensively heading away corners and running around for 90minutes, best i have seen him play!
On June 16 2012 14:46 GTR wrote: Watched this at the Casino. Amazing atmosphere, so many pom fans. Hilarious to see Walcott score, get an assist, then immediately get injured.
Also Welbeck's touch was sooooooooooooo sick. and it amazes me that Glen Johnson is starting for RB. I think everyone now wants Micah Richards there for future tournaments.
I wanted Micah Richards for this tournament. I'd rather play Phil Jones at right-back than Glen Johnson, and right-back isn't even his best position.[/QUOTE]
- It was wayyy too tense - I don't think it was deflected, i think it just wobbled in the air and it put the keeper off, if you look at it from low angles the way it rises avoids the legs of the defenders. - Rooney has already been confirmed don't worry. And Carroll shouldn't. He should start Welbeck + Rooney as strikers then young on the wing, he should use the Man United chemistry that's formed over a season, I will be super confused if he doesn't take advantage of that, then if it isn't working switch one or other for Jermain Defoe or Carroll. Carroll shouldn't be able to have a few good games in the EPL and one good game in a tournament and then replace Welbeck, that's so bad. - Walcott should be put on later, he's a super sub, Milner is better in terms of tracking back whereas Walcott is a good player, he doesn't do anywhere near as much defensive work, I'd rather Milner start then Walcott switched for a midfielder who is having trouble with the pace, come on and work the fact that everyone is worn out. -agreed with the Welbeck point, tremendous goal. - Micah Richards refused to be a backup player, if he had I'm sure both he and Carrick would have got call ups when Lampard/Cahill etc. starting dropping out. Richards > Kelly all day errrreday. The sad part for me is that in future he should be a pretty big part for Englands future plans but if he is getting no international game time it may effect him in future. :\ - I'm not actually hating on glen Johnson though, I don't think he is a bad player at all but i do prefer Richards
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