On June 16 2012 05:55 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: Shitty football but we did play a bit once Milner fucked off and we got Walcott on. Shame we can't drop Glenn Johnsen for Richards but hey ho.
4 points from France/Sweden is a really good result I'd say and now we have Rooney back we should look a lot less useless next game.
I just hope he picks Rooney/Welbeck not Rooney/Carroll.
Phil Jones is an option as well. He's amazingly versatile so I don't know why he's not played
I'm a United fan so I've seen a lot of Phil Jones.
Jones is a talented player and in the future I think he'll be a starter for England either in midfield or at centre back.
Right now though he's extremely naive positionally and given he's against Yarmalenko (Ukraine's best player) I think I'd prefer Johnson. For all Johnson's endless lapses in concentration and bad positioning he's a least very, very quick so can make up for it.
Jones's isn't that quick and right back is probably his worst position (so much so we play Rafael, Fabio and Smalling ahead of him at full back).
Jones's isn't ready for this stage yet imo.
I'm also a United fan (yay :D)
I agree. I think Jones works better as a holding midfielder. But I think he'll most definitely be an option if they need it.
I dunno, I thought Johnson played really well that game :3
He played Melberg onside for their first.
He was marking Melberg for their second.
He let their left back Ollson come inside him for the Kallstrom chance which he should have scored.
He was completely at fault for both their goals.
Now come on, you can't blame Johnson for what was 100% Ashley Cole's fault. If Cole was even remotely paying attention he could have stopped Mellberg...
Second one I'm with you, but he held the right very well throughout the game, and always went forward. In contrast, Cole was asleep
On June 16 2012 05:55 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: Shitty football but we did play a bit once Milner fucked off and we got Walcott on. Shame we can't drop Glenn Johnsen for Richards but hey ho.
4 points from France/Sweden is a really good result I'd say and now we have Rooney back we should look a lot less useless next game.
I just hope he picks Rooney/Welbeck not Rooney/Carroll.
Phil Jones is an option as well. He's amazingly versatile so I don't know why he's not played
I'm a United fan so I've seen a lot of Phil Jones.
Jones is a talented player and in the future I think he'll be a starter for England either in midfield or at centre back.
Right now though he's extremely naive positionally and given he's against Yarmalenko (Ukraine's best player) I think I'd prefer Johnson. For all Johnson's endless lapses in concentration and bad positioning he's a least very, very quick so can make up for it.
Jones's isn't that quick and right back is probably his worst position (so much so we play Rafael, Fabio and Smalling ahead of him at full back).
Jones's isn't ready for this stage yet imo.
I'm also a United fan (yay :D)
I agree. I think Jones works better as a holding midfielder. But I think he'll most definitely be an option if they need it.
I dunno, I thought Johnson played really well that game :3
He played Melberg onside for their first.
He was marking Melberg for their second.
He let their left back Ollson come inside him for the Kallstrom chance which he should have scored.
He was completely at fault for both their goals.
Now come on, you can't blame Johnson for what was 100% Ashley Cole's fault. If Cole was even remotely paying attention he could have stopped Mellberg...
Second one I'm with you, but he held the right very well throughout the game, and always went forward. In contrast, Cole was asleep
I disagree. You can't really account for the random bounce of the ball with deflections. Cole did what Terry and Lescott and any other decent defender would do. They moved out as a unit to play their forwards offside, it's standard defending 101 to do that in those situations as you can see from the fact our other three defenders all did the same thing.
If Johnson had done it Mellberg would have been offside just like he should have been.
Cole had a solid game imo didn't make any defensive mistakes for me. Young had a mare in front of him which meant our left flank created very little but Cole's on the pitch to defend primarily, especially in our setup.
On June 16 2012 06:01 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: Hard to tell how good/bad Hamren is. The players to his disposal was quite bad compared to the last decade imo. I wouldn't mind giving him another shot.
Young was very disappointing this game though, would like to see more Oxlade-Chamberlain. But then again, if it's Young/Welbeck/Rooney, their chemistry could be vital for Ukraine
On June 16 2012 05:55 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: Shitty football but we did play a bit once Milner fucked off and we got Walcott on. Shame we can't drop Glenn Johnsen for Richards but hey ho.
4 points from France/Sweden is a really good result I'd say and now we have Rooney back we should look a lot less useless next game.
I just hope he picks Rooney/Welbeck not Rooney/Carroll.
Phil Jones is an option as well. He's amazingly versatile so I don't know why he's not played
I'm a United fan so I've seen a lot of Phil Jones.
Jones is a talented player and in the future I think he'll be a starter for England either in midfield or at centre back.
Right now though he's extremely naive positionally and given he's against Yarmalenko (Ukraine's best player) I think I'd prefer Johnson. For all Johnson's endless lapses in concentration and bad positioning he's a least very, very quick so can make up for it.
Jones's isn't that quick and right back is probably his worst position (so much so we play Rafael, Fabio and Smalling ahead of him at full back).
Jones's isn't ready for this stage yet imo.
I'm also a United fan (yay :D)
I agree. I think Jones works better as a holding midfielder. But I think he'll most definitely be an option if they need it.
I dunno, I thought Johnson played really well that game :3
He played Melberg onside for their first.
He was marking Melberg for their second.
He let their left back Ollson come inside him for the Kallstrom chance which he should have scored.
He was completely at fault for both their goals.
Now come on, you can't blame Johnson for what was 100% Ashley Cole's fault. If Cole was even remotely paying attention he could have stopped Mellberg...
Second one I'm with you, but he held the right very well throughout the game, and always went forward. In contrast, Cole was asleep
I disagree. You can't really account for the random bounce of the ball with deflections. Cole did what Terry and Lescott and any other decent defender would do. They moved out as a unit to play their forwards offside, it's standard defending 101 to do that in those situations as you can see from the fact our other three defenders all did the same thing.
If Johnson had done it Mellberg would have been offside just like he should have been.
Cole had a solid game imo didn't make any defensive mistakes for me. Young had a mare in front of him which meant our left flank created very little but Cole's on the pitch to defend primarily, especially in our setup.
I guess we'll agree to disagree. The pundits int he BBC said the same. If you watch the replay, you saw the Milner aws tracking his man in the box while Ashley Cole stood there and had absolutely no idea where Mellberg was. That to me is a major defensive fuckup
On June 16 2012 05:55 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: Shitty football but we did play a bit once Milner fucked off and we got Walcott on. Shame we can't drop Glenn Johnsen for Richards but hey ho.
4 points from France/Sweden is a really good result I'd say and now we have Rooney back we should look a lot less useless next game.
I just hope he picks Rooney/Welbeck not Rooney/Carroll.
Phil Jones is an option as well. He's amazingly versatile so I don't know why he's not played
I'm a United fan so I've seen a lot of Phil Jones.
Jones is a talented player and in the future I think he'll be a starter for England either in midfield or at centre back.
Right now though he's extremely naive positionally and given he's against Yarmalenko (Ukraine's best player) I think I'd prefer Johnson. For all Johnson's endless lapses in concentration and bad positioning he's a least very, very quick so can make up for it.
Jones's isn't that quick and right back is probably his worst position (so much so we play Rafael, Fabio and Smalling ahead of him at full back).
Jones's isn't ready for this stage yet imo.
I'm also a United fan (yay :D)
I agree. I think Jones works better as a holding midfielder. But I think he'll most definitely be an option if they need it.
I dunno, I thought Johnson played really well that game :3
He played Melberg onside for their first.
He was marking Melberg for their second.
He let their left back Ollson come inside him for the Kallstrom chance which he should have scored.
He was completely at fault for both their goals.
Now come on, you can't blame Johnson for what was 100% Ashley Cole's fault. If Cole was even remotely paying attention he could have stopped Mellberg...
Second one I'm with you, but he held the right very well throughout the game, and always went forward. In contrast, Cole was asleep
I disagree. You can't really account for the random bounce of the ball with deflections. Cole did what Terry and Lescott and any other decent defender would do. They moved out as a unit to play their forwards offside, it's standard defending 101 to do that in those situations as you can see from the fact our other three defenders all did the same thing.
If Johnson had done it Mellberg would have been offside just like he should have been.
Cole had a solid game imo didn't make any defensive mistakes for me. Young had a mare in front of him which meant our left flank created very little but Cole's on the pitch to defend primarily, especially in our setup.
I guess we'll agree to disagree. The pundits int he BBC said the same. If you watch the replay, you saw the Milner aws tracking his man in the box while Ashley Cole stood there and had absolutely no idea where Mellberg was. That to me is a major defensive fuckup
I'm in Italy at the moment and Italian TV didn't consider the game interesting enough to show any replays at all so I can't rewatch it unfortunately.
On June 16 2012 06:40 iMonAhorsE wrote: and i thought chelsea used up all luck for english football for the next 10 years...
Well, Hodson is a manager that known for his willingness to take risk and luck or not, this game has gone well for him. He played with 2 forward which is a rare sight in recent times(since Mourinho surfaces!!!) and one of them is a rockie from ManU the other has a sloppy season at Liverpool but they re-paid him well.
On June 16 2012 07:08 GeorgeH wrote: If Mellberg had scored a hatrick I swear... I would've...
Actually Johnson got credit for the first goal :p Quite weird imo, as I thought the rule of thumb for own goals was that the interference had to cause a ball that otherwise wouldn't go in to go in. Seems like that was not the case. But I was drunk so what the hell do I know.
On June 16 2012 06:17 grobo wrote: 5minutes of happiness, that's all you get as a Swede in this life.
Fucking hell, where's my whiskey..?
after sundays match against germany, i'll come join you
hahahah that made me laugh but i really fear this too xD! Realistically if we play up to the best of our best i expect a 1-1 Germany is just too good
German fans and media are terribly overconfident, already celebrating reaching the quarterfinals and calling for the bench to play against Denmark. I hope Löw won't cave in, or we'll lose to Denmark and, subsequently, get eliminated after all. Sure our starting eleven look very strong, and our bench is full of quality - but they've never played a match together (other than against Switzerland, and everyone knows how THAT ended...)
On June 16 2012 07:08 GeorgeH wrote: If Mellberg had scored a hatrick I swear... I would've...
Actually Johnson got credit for the first goal :p Quite weird imo, as I thought the rule of thumb for own goals was that the interference had to cause a ball that otherwise wouldn't go in to go in. Seems like that was not the case. But I was drunk so what the hell do I know.
It didn't look like it was going in without him I don't think, Hart saved, it bounced off johnson, then he went after it and it went off the post and in I think? :s
On June 16 2012 07:08 GeorgeH wrote: If Mellberg had scored a hatrick I swear... I would've...
Actually Johnson got credit for the first goal :p Quite weird imo, as I thought the rule of thumb for own goals was that the interference had to cause a ball that otherwise wouldn't go in to go in. Seems like that was not the case. But I was drunk so what the hell do I know.
It didn't look like it was going in without him I don't think, Hart saved, it bounced off johnson, then he went after it and it went off the post and in I think? :s
Like I said I was drunk, more likely the officials got it right than me. I can barely remember what happened Unfortunate situation for Johnson, not much he could've done. I think :p
so i guess now that walcott managed to benefit from bad goalkeeping for the one that he bagged, and welbz's incredible improvised finishing for the bad cross that he laid in, the press will look at the two scorepoints and demand he starts against ukraine despite the fact the only reason he should ever start a match is that he isn't downing
EPT
Unfortunate situation for Johnson, not much he could've done. I think :p
