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Cano
Profile Joined July 2010
Poland200 Posts
March 27 2011 20:33 GMT
#121
I'd just like to tell that today, for some reason, everything is going nice and smoothly.
heaven-
Profile Joined February 2010
United States361 Posts
March 27 2011 21:50 GMT
#122
Yeah for sure best tournament in sc2 to date.
The road to success is dotted with many tempting parking places.
Daudr
Profile Joined November 2009
Sweden275 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-28 00:10:30
March 27 2011 23:54 GMT
#123
I just have to say, the observer is by far the best I've seen in SC2 to date. Always showing important and relevant info and being where the action is. Keep it up!

Casters have been great so far as well, bigtime fan of djWHEAT and DAy9 since before, Chill is really cool (lol no pun intended) and Husky has really grown on me.

TSL's are always a blast and this is already looking to surpass the previous ones (which were AWESOME) to me.
☜(゚ヮ゚☜)
vx70GTOJudgexv
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3161 Posts
March 28 2011 01:50 GMT
#124
On March 22 2011 11:34 Kennigit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2011 09:09 Kewlots wrote:
1. There's no epic intro that shows all the players and there names like the other tsl so I didn't get as excited

It's only ro32


OMG YESSSSSS
(-_-) BW for ever. #1 Iris fan.
ALPINA
Profile Joined May 2010
3791 Posts
March 28 2011 06:43 GMT
#125
Hot Bid doing great job observing but I personally don't like how he always tries to point things with cursor like supply count or worker count. I understand why he is doing that but I think most people can see that themselfs without pointing
You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity
vx70GTOJudgexv
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3161 Posts
March 28 2011 19:38 GMT
#126
Was there a hype poster for D4? They've all be sick so far, I've got a mini collection saved on my HDD.
(-_-) BW for ever. #1 Iris fan.
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
March 29 2011 14:25 GMT
#127
As suggested by Chill, reposting [N?]eoLithic's thread post here.

On March 27 2011 08:03 eoLithic wrote:
Tonight I watched TSL3, as most of the people that will read this post did.

I was especially looking forward to tonights' games beacuse Chill, a commentator I love was going to commentate. He is not afraid to say his opinion about players and their playstyle, and he gives credit where credit is due.

Also, the matches. Three of the finest koreans(mvp, genius and nestea) was facing three of the finest foreigners.

Now I was cheering for the koreans, as I always do, and having watched most of the "koreans vs. foreigners" tournaments since beta, I did expect alot of conclusion being made as far as the legendairy "skill gap" goes, but boy was I suprised.

Without making any statements about the situation in the BW seen vs. the current SC2 scene, I know that the gap in BW has always been huge and that now with SC2 being a fairly new game, foreigners are doing pretty well.

I also understand and have to agree with people getting excited and emotional when foreigners happens to take matches of koreans, but what I watched tonight(TSL3), took this to a new level.

The skill gap seemed to dissapear after an hour of Chill talking exclusively about how the foreigners are finally almost, if not as good as the koreans. Every single move, every single engagement, every single match and the reflections made based on the outcome was focuced on the korean players nationality.

It was so obvious and eventually took over almost all the commentating, from Chills side that is and ended up coming off a little unproffesional for me.

Husky was somewhat keeping his cool and commentating the games and Chill was still doing awesome analyzis and all, but at one points nothing could go by without something being said about the "korea vs. the rest" topic.

I mean arn`t commentators meant to cast the game between to proffesional players that is undeniably extremely skilled at a game and to some extend put aside their nationality/background?

If we look at a couple of statements I presume is correct:

- The foreigners probably practiced harder than ever before
- The foreigners has so much info to work with concerning the koreans playstyle

- Without knowing too much about their preperation, I do not think the koreans prepared alot specifically for this tournament


Now, the foreigners played great do not get me wrong and so did the koreans, but there were no mercy for the koreans what so ever and the commentators, especially Chill made huge assumptions after every single engagement and/or match concerning the skill gap betweem the scenes being crushed.

IdrA, Jinro, MorroW has lost games to way lesser players countless of times, yet we don`t jump yo conclusions about the lesser player catching up skill-wise, beacuse let`s face it; anyone can have a bad day or get unlucky positions, die to a suprising timing-push or something similar.

What I`m trying to say here is that tonight, without trying to target Chill in any negative way concerning his casting or him in genereal, he made me feel like I was watching a series of games where the main focuse was to emberass the koreans.

This may seem abit too harsh, but I found it quite unproffesional actually to make the conclusion(s) Chill did.

Now I love Chill and that may be the reason why I am abit dissapointed in tonights commentating. He commentated extremely well, but the koreans vs. foreigners thing was abit too much.

Just commentate the game as what it is, a game between to proffesional players that represents themselves as players and should be treated as such when being commentated.

Loving TSL3 so far, but would appreciate future casters to maybe tone the war between scenes abit down^^

This goes for alot of other tournaments and casters ofc. The TSL3 tonight was just the example of my choice. No offence intended to Chill or the TSL tournament in general. Keep up the good work!

cheers for reading.

EDIT: I am in no way offended by the commentating. It simply took a huge bite out of what should have been proffesional commentating of the games.

It made it sound unproffesional to me.

Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
Daimai
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Sweden762 Posts
April 10 2011 19:36 GMT
#128
I think the commentators could practice speaking more in turns instead of speaking for 3 minutes each, and perhaps making a few jokes in slow moments like tastosis (though it can be hard to have a casual conversation if you don't know each other very well).

I think hot_bid is a really good observer aswell, whatever you do, do not let him go!

Thank you for bringing a high quality, free tournament to us. Teamliquid is great
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loveeholicce
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Korea (South)785 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-10 20:36:55
April 10 2011 20:34 GMT
#129
I really dislike husky as a caster. Most immediate problem is he talks for so long and ends up overshadowing the other caster. It was a big problem when he was casting 2 weeks ago with wheat and still a problem today with chill.

Also his game knowledge isn't really up to par.

Finally, I find he often ends up making stupid statements that give too much credit or overhype unremarkable things. "Good macro by adelscott" as he climbs to 1k minerals. "Doing so well to micro his units back" as the terran player selects his army and clicks move back to base. It's fine on his youtube channel cause he makes a silyl statement or says something wrong and you're like "well w/e" but the TSL is a different atmosphere and should hold different standards.

Just my 2 cent. I'd rather have any combination of chill / djwheat / day9
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Adebisi
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada1637 Posts
April 10 2011 20:45 GMT
#130
Loving everything as always especially HotBid's camera control, but I do wish he'd leave the production tab on more, the resource tab is completely useless (cloned info in top right) and I really don't think its ever worth dropping to no tabs for the additional real estate, as a player who really likes to study build orders and such, seeing the production tab helps a lot.

<3
Schnake
Profile Joined September 2003
Germany2819 Posts
April 10 2011 20:51 GMT
#131
Hot_Bids observer skills are really amazing, getting all the important stuff! Is he watching the replay beforehand to determine important scenes?

The fail on Ustreams side that the quality drops to mere pixels during big battles is annoying me greatly but I know you guys are already aware of this issue. Also, the "click esc to minimize" doesn't really disappear and sits in the upper left corner when watching full screen, Maybe this only happens to me though.
"Alán Shore" and "August Terran" @ LoL EUW - liquidparty
Frankon
Profile Joined May 2010
3054 Posts
April 10 2011 21:39 GMT
#132
A few things that can improve the production:
1) Before the match we could get a clip of TSL best moments of the players (max 2 minute) with footage from previous rounds.
Example: Next week we get Sen vs Boxer. So we get two movies showcasting best plays of Ro32 by Sen and then by Boxer.
When we get to Ro8 we would get before Thorzain - Mc a best moments for them from Ro32 and Ro16. And so on (I really liked it in GOM - if its good why no copy the idea)

2) During the break between games in a set we always get the same image. I think it would be good to show who win the previous maps
Example:
[image loading]

3) Hot_Bid i wish you would hide the UI during the big fights.
Full.tilt
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United Kingdom1709 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-17 16:44:59
April 17 2011 16:41 GMT
#133
DJWheat is the perfect host for esports and the energy and excitement that Day[9] and Husky bring to the casts is excellent. Really enjoy these 2 pairings. In the past I've said I just want to see good games and that's all that matters but having casters of such quality (regardless of the whole analytical vs play by play arguments) really brings the whole product to an amazingly high level that just about sets the bar for any tournament coverage.

Love Tastosis and all but I think the above pairings really give them a run for their money imo.

(although DJwheat opening with his customary catchphrase was not that suitable when a lot of talk has been about bringing esports to a wider audience, not a prude or anything, just saying. It's perfect for his 'basement' shows I just feel TSL is more mainstream.)
darmousseh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3437 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-19 18:58:29
April 19 2011 18:54 GMT
#134
I love the casting it's amazing, the only thing I have to be critical of is DjWheat just a little. Every single game he talks like the zerg is a victim fighting against the evil protoss and terran. Day9 is really great about carefully wording it so he doesn't favor one race over another, but Dj is really biased for zerg. When I watch July or Sen, they don't think they are the underdogs ever, they come to dominate their opponent, but in the match sen vs boxer especially, djwheat kept saying how it's difficult for a zerg in their position without really understanding the style that sen likes to play is different than say idra or nestea. Artosis used to be the same way, but then he switched to protoss and he really understands both sides of the equation now and it reflects in his casting.
That's my 5 cents, my other 95 cents are "OMG you guys are awesome, keep it up".

My favorite pairing is definitely day9 and chill.

Edit; Just realized no more zerg in the tournament, nvm then.
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Papajan
Profile Joined August 2010
United States15 Posts
April 19 2011 19:42 GMT
#135
I'm the opposite - I really like that djwheat has a race that he sticks to and roots for. When he's casting it brings a more personal experience to the games. I really wish there were a terran caster - djwheat/trump would be a sweet pair for TvZ. djwheat/chill was my favorite pair so far.
hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
April 20 2011 00:45 GMT
#136
On April 11 2011 06:39 Frankon wrote:
3) Hot_Bid i wish you would hide the UI during the big fights.

I really disagree with this. I think it's vital that the minimap and preferably production tab is visible at all times, but especially during battles. Even jedi ninja pro obs hot_bid misses simultaneous engagements/drops from time to time, and hiding ui would make his job harder and prevent the spectators from catching that small fraction of events he happens to miss!
zwitter
Profile Joined July 2008
United States6 Posts
April 20 2011 16:42 GMT
#137
Production, casters, hype, etc... all elements are off the hook good. So there's my main comment. Keep up the good work.

One minuscule gripe, that isn't actually a gripe-- just a difference of opinion with Wheat-- just watched the Boxer/Sen series (away over the weekend)-- seriously Wheat, comparing Boxer to Johnny from the Karate Kid?!

I suppose in play style for those games, where Boxer was the aggressor and Sen was looking for that one crane kick momentum swing... I suppose. But Boxer as villain? Boxer as favorite?

Total lack of connection with the history of e-sports. Old veteran (and definite underdog in that match) trying to hold on and regain some of the magic (which he did, showing some innovative t vs z) seems more fitting.
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25991 Posts
April 20 2011 17:11 GMT
#138
I would love some more feedback on casting, even small things you like / dislike. Feel free to PM me if you don't want to make it public.

Thanks.
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Nuublet
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden130 Posts
April 23 2011 22:09 GMT
#139
I think both you and Artosis where great tonight man. I really wish Artosis could be brought in more as we come close to the end of this TSL.
Pyrthas
Profile Joined March 2007
United States3196 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-23 22:15:50
April 23 2011 22:14 GMT
#140
On April 20 2011 09:45 hifriend wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2011 06:39 Frankon wrote:
3) Hot_Bid i wish you would hide the UI during the big fights.

I really disagree with this. I think it's vital that the minimap and preferably production tab is visible at all times, but especially during battles.

Yeah, totally agree with this. Visible ui for life!

Edit: Also, great to get the Chill/Artosis pair briefly reunited! But maybe that's just because Chill's my favorite caster, I dunno.
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