EPT[TSL] Tyler, Strelok, FruitD, Thorzain Interviews - Page 14
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da_head
Canada3350 Posts
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xCyan1de
United States64 Posts
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Valikyr
Sweden2653 Posts
On March 17 2011 04:17 xCyan1de wrote: Wow, FD is really short spoken in these answers and very hard on himself. If you strive to be the best you have to be hard on yourself when you're not the best. | ||
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Gleve
United States206 Posts
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Exteray
United States1094 Posts
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SniXSniPe
United States1938 Posts
Also I really hope Boxer wins his first round since everyone is saying he'll most likely lose  .And I hope FruitDealer can make top 4 this tournament. | ||
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ptbl
United States6074 Posts
On March 17 2011 01:34 1Eris1 wrote: I think Strelok's anger is in that he's been trying in the qualifiers to get in for months, and then other guys just get seeded in. Of course, they obviously deserve the seeds, but I completely understand his frustration. And honestly, if there really is that much thought that foreigners are actually going to win, I would totally pull a Rekrul. That would be easy cash The rules and guidelines for the TSL3 was set way long ago. I cannot believe Strelok did not know about the invitations. | ||
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Slow Motion
United States6960 Posts
So I guess the question you have to ask yourself is this: do you love watching Starcraft enough to just enjoy the games, or are the games themselves boring without all the surrounding drama? If a game played between two of the best players available doesn't interest you, maybe you just don't like watching the actual game all that much. Maybe for you SC2 is just not that interesting as a sport. As a fan of BW, I could care less about whatever weak trash talk happens outside the game and will enjoy the game as long as it's played between the most skilled people. I will honestly admit that for SC2 I care about skill but it's kinda boring unless there is drama or hype outside the actual game (or if I really like a particular player like NaDa, Boxer, or Tyler). Therefore I would consider myself a hardcore BW fan and a casual SC2 fan. This means I don't appreciate SC2 as much as hardcore fans and that maybe I shouldn't talk shit about the "personalities" of the top SC2 players when I can't appreciate their ability in the game itself. | ||
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HowSoOnIsNow
Canada480 Posts
On March 17 2011 04:03 rafaliusz wrote: I'm suprised how many people are bashing Strelok here, he's totally right. But when I think about it most of these people are very new to Starcraft, e-sport and competitive gaming. You guys don't even know how it was before SC2, koreans didn't give a shit to foreign scene for 10 years, why would we start inviting them to our events? To be politically correct and avoid those ridiculous "stop being racist" comments? That is insane. Moreover there is another obvious reason. All these top korean pros will just own foreigners, before IEM nobody really knew how big the skill gap between these two scenes is. Now we know that we can't match with them in skill and the foreigner-v-korean games will be completely one-sided. I guess TL didn't know that before invites and even I thought that the gap is not that huge. If there are smart people in TL staff I'm sure they regret their decision and are scared of the upcoming games. I suspect that TSL4 will be foreign-only again. They didnt because the BW community got overrun by the Wc3 community which was actually competitive. The foreigner never were at BW, that`s life. Sour grapes my dude. And if Tsl becomes foreigner only again, it would mean that we failed as a community. I hope you`re going to be happy about it. I know i won`t. | ||
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1st_Panzer_Div.
United States621 Posts
Also can't wait for the MC interview. | ||
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rysecake
United States2632 Posts
On March 17 2011 05:30 1st_Panzer_Div. wrote: I wasn't really that excited about TSL before... but the interviews really peaked my interest. I care more about who wins/loses well beyond just hoping for good games. (Tyler fighting!) Also can't wait for the MC interview. "Ciara drone drone drone, me win win. " Hell yea mc | ||
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dkim
United States255 Posts
And also I think that success of Koreans is pretty bad for TSL, because for example I, as spectator, really prefer to watch very nicely prepared non-Koreans against each rather than watching the usual games of Koreans, many who don't care about this tournament. If I want to watch Koreans play, I'd go to GomTV.net. but you are a player. you should be wanting to compete with the best. | ||
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Slow Motion
United States6960 Posts
On March 17 2011 04:03 rafaliusz wrote: I'm suprised how many people are bashing Strelok here, he's totally right. But when I think about it most of these people are very new to Starcraft, e-sport and competitive gaming. You guys don't even know how it was before SC2, koreans didn't give a shit to foreign scene for 10 years, why would we start inviting them to our events? To be politically correct and avoid those ridiculous "stop being racist" comments? That is insane. Moreover there is another obvious reason. All these top korean pros will just own foreigners, before IEM nobody really knew how big the skill gap between these two scenes is. Now we know that we can't match with them in skill and the foreigner-v-korean games will be completely one-sided. I guess TL didn't know that before invites and even I thought that the gap is not that huge. If there are smart people in TL staff I'm sure they regret their decision and are scared of the upcoming games. I suspect that TSL4 will be foreign-only again. Koreans didn't give a shit about the foreign scene? You make it sound like they owed foreigners something. And Koreans did make an effort to bring in top foreigners. You know what the real problems was? Aside from some small communities, the foreign scene didn't care about BW nearly as much as the Koreans do. We Americans had every opportunity to create a thriving North American BW league and link up with Korea. What, you think we couldn't because we were too poor and Korea should have helped the foreign scene by giving us handouts? No, the foreign scene was weak and had weaker players because we weren't as fanatical about BW. How many foreigner players had the dedication to succeed in Korea? Idra was one of the few and he wasn't even close to the skill level of the top Korean pros. You think the Koreans wouldn't invite a "foreigner" who was as good as Flash or Bisu? Oh please. The Koreans wanted a foreigner pretty bad and they tried to make it happen, but the hard fact is there weren't a lot of us willing to sacrifice our lives and dedicate everything to being as good. The Koreans never discriminated against the most skilled players because of where they're from or personalities. In fact Idra can be seen as a case of affirmative action to be honest. You think a random Korean would have gotten the opportunities in Korea that he had? It's not that Koreans didn't care about the foreign scene, it's that the foreign scene never cared about BW the way the Koreans did. | ||
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lyk503
United States261 Posts
On March 17 2011 05:38 Slow Motion wrote: In fact Idra can be seen as a case of affirmative action to be honest. You think a random Korean would have gotten the opportunities in Korea that he had? Exactly what I have thought since Idra had joined CJ Entus/ESTRO. | ||
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Slow Motion
United States6960 Posts
On March 17 2011 05:45 lyk503 wrote: Exactly what I have thought since Idra had joined CJ Entus/ESTRO. And this is not to denigrate Idra. I have all the respect in the world for him loving the game and being dedicated enough to sacrifice as much, if not more, as other Korean players to become great at the game. I'm merely pointing out that Korea was very open to not only the most skilled players, but even to helping skilled foreigners who weren't as good as Koreans make it in Korea. | ||
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red4ce
United States7313 Posts
On March 17 2011 04:03 rafaliusz wrote: Moreover there is another obvious reason. All these top korean pros will just own foreigners, before IEM nobody really knew how big the skill gap between these two scenes is. Now we know that we can't match with them in skill and the foreigner-v-korean games will be completely one-sided. I guess TL didn't know that before invites and even I thought that the gap is not that huge. If there are smart people in TL staff I'm sure they regret their decision and are scared of the upcoming games. I suspect that TSL4 will be foreign-only again. I disagree that all korean v non-korean games will be slaughters. In IEM the non-Korean players were completely taken aback by the builds and timings of the korean trained players. White-ra said, regarding his loss to Idra, if Idra had been just a little bit later on the 200 food push he would have been able to defend it. Moon and Ace roflstomped their way through to the finals by utilizing builds the non-Koreans were completely unprepared for. The results of IEM have given the foreign scene a wakeup call. Before IEM many foreign pros were saying Koreans weren't all that much better. Obviously they are. Now white-ra, morrow, qxc, etc will be studying Korean strategies and practicing their balls off to take them down. Most will be unsuccessful, but someone will succeed and become a legend in the foreigner community. SC2 is still a volatile game, the Ro32 is Bo3, and not every Korean will be in his top form come gameday. Upsets will happen, and all this talk about an impossible gap between Koreans and non-Koreans will die at least for a little while. To those complaining about Fruitdealer's interview being boring. Maybe he realizes how much of a privilege it isto be an invite to a non-Korean tournament and he's being polite and respectful to not step on anyone's toes. If you were a guest in someone else's house you don't just walk in the first day and say 'jyeaaah imma own diz shit up Koreans raawk we gonna pwn u foreign noobies.' If you want to know more about his personality, read up on his Korean interviews because they're much more insightful. | ||
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BigBadMOnkey
United States7 Posts
GL to all, should be a amazing tournament. | ||
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Teejing
Germany1360 Posts
This way we would have a ro64 and i vaguely remember it was the same way for previous tsl? Something is rings when remembering top64 of iccup ladder : P | ||
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Namu
United States826 Posts
I'm confused to as why he thinks 1) koreans don't care about this tournament 2) foreigners will prepare more (sort of implied in what he says)... The korean players obviously do care about this tournament. Not sure what strelok was trying to say, it was as if he was saying Koreans play boring or something... Also confused as to why he doesn't want the best of the best players to play against. Sounds like he was just a bit butthurt that certain people simply got invited while he had to work really hard for his spot, but the rules were pretty clearly written out way before, and it now just sounds like he's just whining... kind of a bad mindset if you ask me. Why would he want TSL to be foreigner (non-korean) only? Really don't see his reasoning behind it, other than making the tournament "easier." | ||
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red4ce
United States7313 Posts
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