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On March 16 2011 23:10 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 23:07 gamefan15 wrote:On March 16 2011 22:45 HolyArrow wrote:On March 16 2011 22:38 gamefan15 wrote:On March 16 2011 22:08 HolyArrow wrote:On March 16 2011 21:44 quarky wrote:On March 16 2011 21:38 HolyArrow wrote:
FruitDealer's interview was so endearing. I hope he does well in this TSL. It's nice to see that he completely blames himself for his failures and is stating that he's making a very sincere attempt at improving.
On the other hand, Strelok's interview made me an anti-fan. I can understand his bitching about invites, but I find it odd that he singles out Koreans suddenly in the middle of his complaint about invites. Why single out Koreans? I just went to the Protoss, Terran, and Zerg invite threads and I counted seven Korean invites out of 13 total invites (unless there are 3 invites that I'm not aware of since it seems like Strelok thinks there were 16 invites...). I don't see the need to single out Koreans when they were only barely over half the invites. Furthermore, he makes assumptions that Koreans "don't seem to care about this tournament" when FruitDealer's interview professes the exact opposite. To his credit, he mentions inviting only "true Koreans" and making the foreigners in the GSL qualify like all other foreigners, but I still don't like the assumptions he makes and his general attitude against Koreans. Also, he needs to fix his wording - since when did Korean become synonymous with Asian? Would he also think it acceptable to bar players like Sen and Loner access from the TSL? I find his overall statements like "keep this a non-Asian tournament" to be offensive. Where does he single out koreans, he just says that the invites are all over the place. I think you are reading too much into this... Where does he single out Koreans? How about this entire paragraph, which sounds utterly retarded and makes little if any sense at all: "And also I think that success of Koreans is pretty bad for TSL, because for example I, as spectator, really prefer to watch very nicely prepared non-Koreans against each rather than watching the usual games of Koreans, many who don't care about this tournament. If I want to watch Koreans play, I'd go to GomTV.net." And this entire piece: "I really feel that they shouldn't invite Koreans and make it like the last TSLs: an event for non-Asian community..." (Yes, I realize he also acknowledged the possibility of inviting only "true Koreans" and making the rest of the GSL foreigners qualify like everyone else, which does indeed work toward his credit a bit, but his last paragraph that I just quoted really seems to flat out say that he simply doesn't want Koreans in the TSL, so it leads me to conclude that he threw in the "true Koreans" part just to pad himself a bit from sounding completely discriminatory). It's hard to read too much into things when his statements are right there, ESPECIALLY that last paragraph. It just feels rather ugly and bitter in my eyes. I'm not simply trying to find faults with Strelok when they might not exist; I don't even know the guy in the SC2 scene. But he did make a pretty bad first impression on me. he basically liked more the format of the past TSLs where apparently there were less invites and the foreign scene was duking it out on theirselves. this also comes from the history of starcraft and bw where the korean scene was miles ahead and both scenes more isolated to themselves. you can agree with this or not but give this guy a break. you cant expect that everyone immediately changes their mindset 100% just because we have a new situation with starcraft 2 when you are used to something different. the rest imo is just getting butthurt because of missing the most possible "political correct" way to express this concern. There is no most possible "politically correct" way to express the desire to arbitrarily restrict a certain nationality or race. There's a big difference from "liking a format of the past TSLs" and making it abundantly clear that he doesn't want any Koreans competing in his precious tournament. Anyone interpreting what Strelok said as mere discontent with TSL 3's current format is completely missing the obvious anti-Korean sentiment in his post. I mean, read that last paragraph. It seems like he doesn't even like Korean play for some odd reason ("the usual games of Koreans"?) and that he wants to keep both scenes isolated - neither of which are admirable sentiments in my eyes. TBH I usually don't care about political correctness. I make seriously un-PC jokes with my friends all the time. It's only when I perceive blatant, sincere discrimination that I feel the need to speak out. if your bold part is true why does he concede then that their might use some invitespots for the "true koreans". he seem to be just not happy yet with the amount of changes, invites and so on compared to the previous tournaments probably due to the reasons I mentioned. I acknowledged that point in a previous post, but I'll say it again for you. Yes, he does concede that there might be some invite spots for "true Koreans", but he shoots himself in the foot in his last paragraph, where he goes on to say that he'd rather watch only foreigners play against each other in the TSL, and that if he wanted to watch Koreans, he'd go to gomtv.net. That last paragraph clearly shows his true feelings on the matter - he doesn't want Koreans in the TSL. I don't know how else you'd interpret that last paragraph.
well I dont agree with this paragraph either. but I also dont have hard feelings about just one paragraph in such an interview. yes it is obviously more appealing to him if only the foreign scene like it was in starcraft 1 would duke it out on their own in this tournament. but isnt this to a certain extent understandable from his player view and given the starcraft and foreign sc tournament history which he is used to? this obviously has more practicable, what you are used to and what you can identify more with due to the past reasons than it got anything to do with racism.
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Tyler Fighting! So stoked on this tournament. Given the circumstances I think the Korean invites were completely legit. Maybe having 1/2 of the bracket Korean invites is a bit much, but in all honesty I think it makes for a better tournament for the viewers.
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I wonder if rekrul is gonna give us some good nony vs [insert korean] action this tsl. :D
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haha.i do feel that part of the reason why nony against idra was so epic was that massive bet that rek had against everyone. Would be fun!
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Streloks interview was nice.
The interview of Fruitdealer was boring as expected.
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Damn korean interviews are all the same they never really seem to share anything about themselves just talk about their performance in game. Ah well was a fun read, and yeah Tyler fighting!
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I don't think people should bash Strelok for his opinion. I agree with him about the invite situation though. Either open it up to a full qualifier, or make it fully invitational.
On the issue of inviting koreans or keeping it a non-korean tournament. I think the answer is very simple:
1. Worldwide tournament. Why limit who can play and who can't based on their specific location? If a player from Russia or NA can play, why can't a player from South Korea participate? Makes no sense to me. However, if this was an NA tournament, then yes, it makes sense to only allow NA players to play.
2. Worldwide tournament - people living in US or wherever the tournament is based are only allowed. Therefore if a Korean player wants to play in the tournament, he has to move into a house or rent their own apartment on site. Same goes for all international players. No games allowed to be played outside borders.
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loving the story development for the TSL, so entertaining
TL Fighting
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Great Interview, thank you! Glad to see Tyler is in good shape, hope he can pull it off to Ro4 at least (or hell, win the whole thing). Even though I'm excited for the pool of players, I gotta agree with Strelok: I would have liked less Korean players and more foreign ones who deserved it.
Hope it doesn't go as IEM this year.
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I really want to see the top foreigners destroy in this tsl; that would be amazing.
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Nice interviews. Can't wait to read more.
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TSL3 coverage has been pretty sick so far, I hope the tournament itself is this good :D
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I think Strelok's anger is in that he's been trying in the qualifiers to get in for months, and then other guys just get seeded in. Of course, they obviously deserve the seeds, but I completely understand his frustration.
And honestly, if there really is that much thought that foreigners are actually going to win, I would totally pull a Rekrul. That would be easy cash
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On March 16 2011 22:29 Velr wrote:
Or you could say it's boring and a pretty "Asian" thing...
Most/many other sports are nothing like that. A little "shittalk" is totally normal in a competetive enviroment.
He has never even heard of his opponent, why would he "shittalk" him
that would be disrespectful in any sport
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Socke, Mana, Sjow, Tarson just to mention few who deserve to be there, but couldn't qualify because of a very hard system of qualifications
yeah right... Socke is exactly where he belongs
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On March 17 2011 01:39 storm8ring3r wrote:Show nested quote +Socke, Mana, Sjow, Tarson just to mention few who deserve to be there, but couldn't qualify because of a very hard system of qualifications yeah right... Socke is exactly where he belongs
... Are you saying he doesn't deserve to be in the tourney? He is the best or second best Protoss in Europe IMO. I don't get this statement at all.
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I didn't realize there were going to be pre-game interviews. This is awesome! I didn't know anything about Thorzain, but after reading his interview I'm not sure who to root for.
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On March 17 2011 01:39 storm8ring3r wrote:Show nested quote +Socke, Mana, Sjow, Tarson just to mention few who deserve to be there, but couldn't qualify because of a very hard system of qualifications yeah right... Socke is exactly where he belongs
Wtf are you talking about? Well yes, I suppose as he didn't manage to qualify he doesn't belong in the tournament, but to consider socke anything other than one of the absolute top foreign protoss' is silly.
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On March 17 2011 00:07 gamefan15 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 23:10 HolyArrow wrote:On March 16 2011 23:07 gamefan15 wrote:On March 16 2011 22:45 HolyArrow wrote:On March 16 2011 22:38 gamefan15 wrote:On March 16 2011 22:08 HolyArrow wrote:On March 16 2011 21:44 quarky wrote:On March 16 2011 21:38 HolyArrow wrote:
FruitDealer's interview was so endearing. I hope he does well in this TSL. It's nice to see that he completely blames himself for his failures and is stating that he's making a very sincere attempt at improving.
On the other hand, Strelok's interview made me an anti-fan. I can understand his bitching about invites, but I find it odd that he singles out Koreans suddenly in the middle of his complaint about invites. Why single out Koreans? I just went to the Protoss, Terran, and Zerg invite threads and I counted seven Korean invites out of 13 total invites (unless there are 3 invites that I'm not aware of since it seems like Strelok thinks there were 16 invites...). I don't see the need to single out Koreans when they were only barely over half the invites. Furthermore, he makes assumptions that Koreans "don't seem to care about this tournament" when FruitDealer's interview professes the exact opposite. To his credit, he mentions inviting only "true Koreans" and making the foreigners in the GSL qualify like all other foreigners, but I still don't like the assumptions he makes and his general attitude against Koreans. Also, he needs to fix his wording - since when did Korean become synonymous with Asian? Would he also think it acceptable to bar players like Sen and Loner access from the TSL? I find his overall statements like "keep this a non-Asian tournament" to be offensive. Where does he single out koreans, he just says that the invites are all over the place. I think you are reading too much into this... Where does he single out Koreans? How about this entire paragraph, which sounds utterly retarded and makes little if any sense at all: "And also I think that success of Koreans is pretty bad for TSL, because for example I, as spectator, really prefer to watch very nicely prepared non-Koreans against each rather than watching the usual games of Koreans, many who don't care about this tournament. If I want to watch Koreans play, I'd go to GomTV.net." And this entire piece: "I really feel that they shouldn't invite Koreans and make it like the last TSLs: an event for non-Asian community..." (Yes, I realize he also acknowledged the possibility of inviting only "true Koreans" and making the rest of the GSL foreigners qualify like everyone else, which does indeed work toward his credit a bit, but his last paragraph that I just quoted really seems to flat out say that he simply doesn't want Koreans in the TSL, so it leads me to conclude that he threw in the "true Koreans" part just to pad himself a bit from sounding completely discriminatory). It's hard to read too much into things when his statements are right there, ESPECIALLY that last paragraph. It just feels rather ugly and bitter in my eyes. I'm not simply trying to find faults with Strelok when they might not exist; I don't even know the guy in the SC2 scene. But he did make a pretty bad first impression on me. he basically liked more the format of the past TSLs where apparently there were less invites and the foreign scene was duking it out on theirselves. this also comes from the history of starcraft and bw where the korean scene was miles ahead and both scenes more isolated to themselves. you can agree with this or not but give this guy a break. you cant expect that everyone immediately changes their mindset 100% just because we have a new situation with starcraft 2 when you are used to something different. the rest imo is just getting butthurt because of missing the most possible "political correct" way to express this concern. There is no most possible "politically correct" way to express the desire to arbitrarily restrict a certain nationality or race. There's a big difference from "liking a format of the past TSLs" and making it abundantly clear that he doesn't want any Koreans competing in his precious tournament. Anyone interpreting what Strelok said as mere discontent with TSL 3's current format is completely missing the obvious anti-Korean sentiment in his post. I mean, read that last paragraph. It seems like he doesn't even like Korean play for some odd reason ("the usual games of Koreans"?) and that he wants to keep both scenes isolated - neither of which are admirable sentiments in my eyes. TBH I usually don't care about political correctness. I make seriously un-PC jokes with my friends all the time. It's only when I perceive blatant, sincere discrimination that I feel the need to speak out. if your bold part is true why does he concede then that their might use some invitespots for the "true koreans". he seem to be just not happy yet with the amount of changes, invites and so on compared to the previous tournaments probably due to the reasons I mentioned. I acknowledged that point in a previous post, but I'll say it again for you. Yes, he does concede that there might be some invite spots for "true Koreans", but he shoots himself in the foot in his last paragraph, where he goes on to say that he'd rather watch only foreigners play against each other in the TSL, and that if he wanted to watch Koreans, he'd go to gomtv.net. That last paragraph clearly shows his true feelings on the matter - he doesn't want Koreans in the TSL. I don't know how else you'd interpret that last paragraph. well I dont agree with this paragraph either. but I also dont have hard feelings about just one paragraph in such an interview. yes it is obviously more appealing to him if only the foreign scene like it was in starcraft 1 would duke it out on their own in this tournament. but isnt this to a certain extent understandable from his player view and given the starcraft and foreign sc tournament history which he is used to? this obviously has more practicable, what you are used to and what you can identify more with due to the past reasons than it got anything to do with racism.
Lingering familiarities from the BW era scenes being more isolated doesn't justify it at all in my book. That's just silly. That's like saying it's okay for someone to be racist, because in the past they had participated in a war against whoever they're racist towards. The reason Koreans weren't in the previous TSLs was due to the skill gap just being too great. Now that that's clearly changed and foreigners have a legitimate perceived shot at taking a tournament seeded with top korean players, there's no longer a reason for them to not participate. I'm with HolyArrow. That last paragraph just came across as really xenophobic and I lost a lot of respect for Sterlock there.
Otherwise though, I'm loving these pre-game interviews. I'm getting more hyped every day. I really hope FD catches a break, I felt bad for the guy.
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