[TSL] Tyler, Strelok, FruitD, Thorzain Interviews - Page 13

Ruyguy

Canada988 Posts

March 16 2011 17:11 GMT

#241

Is it just me or is mouz.Strelok kind of a douche? Hes bashing how the TSL is set up in his interview? manner up man. Be more like FD! haha

OnlyChobo

Canada126 Posts

March 16 2011 17:19 GMT

#242

IEM 2.0 incoming

NibbloniaN

United States377 Posts

March 16 2011 17:19 GMT

#243

Great interviews! I think it would be awesome if Thorzain came out and beat FD, Thorzain Fighting!

AmiPolizeiFunk

Germany804 Posts

March 16 2011 17:26 GMT

#244

Strelok likes NightEnd over Boxer? That's very interesting.

TORTOISE

United States515 Posts

March 16 2011 17:33 GMT

#245

<3 Fruit Dealer! Win the TSL!

cangiz

Canada286 Posts

March 16 2011 17:38 GMT

#246

Strelok are you kidding me? Manner up bro you've lost any potential fan in me.

Maskedsatyr

Singapore1245 Posts

March 16 2011 17:39 GMT

#247

Awesome awesome more hype for what looks to be an amazing tourney.

samboi

England69 Posts

March 16 2011 17:47 GMT

#248

posts like this really help you get to know the players and pick someone too cheer for in each match :p

Ghad

Norway2551 Posts

March 16 2011 17:53 GMT

#249

Excellent interviews all around!

I really respect Strelok for being totally opinionated and up front. He has paid his dues and is entitled to his opinion, and him vs Nony is a great matchup.

Also I am such a Fruitdealer fanboy. :D

Ansinjunger

United States2451 Posts

March 16 2011 18:02 GMT

#250

On March 17 2011 02:53 Ghad wrote:
Excellent interviews all around!

I really respect Strelok for being totally opinionated and up front. He has paid his dues and is entitled to his opinion, and him vs Nony is a great matchup.

Also I am such a Fruitdealer fanboy. :D

I'm not sure qualifying for a tournament someone else sets up, knowing in advance the format, and then complaining about what the tournament organizers chose to do, qualifies as paying one's dues. If he wants to state, "I would have set it up differently," fine, but he didn't leave it at that.

On a related note, in NA and Korea we probably ignore most of the European scene, except the fan favs like White-Ra and TLO, for example. I can see how it seems unfair that there not be any EU or NA invites, but it is TL's tournament, and they can invite all six of their players, who are certainly among the top foreigners anyway.

Also, the TL qualifiers might have been hard, but just getting into GSL is hard too, and they had the format worked out for a long time.

StutteR

United States1903 Posts

March 16 2011 18:16 GMT

#251

Anyone notice that when Koreans are asked about foreigners, they always know who Morrow is?

EliteReplay

Dominican Republic913 Posts

March 16 2011 18:19 GMT

#252

Strelok speak clear, some invites free and hard qualy, its true, i agree

kawaiiryuko

United States368 Posts

March 16 2011 18:29 GMT

#253

Tyler and FD, man! Gogogogo.

Strelok is free to have his own opinion - but I think it would be a tough argument to make that any of the people he mentioned (Socke, Sjow, Mana, Tarson) could legit-beat any of the invited Koreans. I mean, it'd be great if this was like the NCAA tourney with a bajillion spots, but y'know, you do what you gotta do.

Kazeyonoma

United States2912 Posts

March 16 2011 18:30 GMT

#254

can't wait, and love the interviews!

Rokusha

United States207 Posts

March 16 2011 18:33 GMT

#255

On March 16 2011 22:29 Velr wrote:
Or you could say it's boring and a pretty "Asian" thing...

Most/many other sports are nothing like that. A little "shittalk" is totally normal in a competetive enviroment.

I know this comment was a few pages back, but many great sports player are humble and absolutely do not shit talk at all. For example, Tom Brady and Bill Belichick are always humble and "bland" in interviews but they let their skill and results do all the talking. They know they are professionals and are role models to many people. Many shit talkers in competitive sports that I heard of are not well respected in my opinion.

Not to mention Korean Progammers shit talk from time to time ie. the GSTL.

gamefan15

50 Posts

March 16 2011 18:38 GMT

#256

On March 17 2011 02:08 Riotbot wrote:

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On March 17 2011 00:07 gamefan15 wrote:

On March 16 2011 23:10 HolyArrow wrote:

On March 16 2011 23:07 gamefan15 wrote:

On March 16 2011 22:45 HolyArrow wrote:

On March 16 2011 22:38 gamefan15 wrote:

On March 16 2011 22:08 HolyArrow wrote:

On March 16 2011 21:44 quarky wrote:

On March 16 2011 21:38 HolyArrow wrote:
FruitDealer's interview was so endearing. I hope he does well in this TSL. It's nice to see that he completely blames himself for his failures and is stating that he's making a very sincere attempt at improving.

On the other hand, Strelok's interview made me an anti-fan. I can understand his bitching about invites, but I find it odd that he singles out Koreans suddenly in the middle of his complaint about invites. Why single out Koreans? I just went to the Protoss, Terran, and Zerg invite threads and I counted seven Korean invites out of 13 total invites (unless there are 3 invites that I'm not aware of since it seems like Strelok thinks there were 16 invites...). I don't see the need to single out Koreans when they were only barely over half the invites. Furthermore, he makes assumptions that Koreans "don't seem to care about this tournament" when FruitDealer's interview professes the exact opposite. To his credit, he mentions inviting only "true Koreans" and making the foreigners in the GSL qualify like all other foreigners, but I still don't like the assumptions he makes and his general attitude against Koreans. Also, he needs to fix his wording - since when did Korean become synonymous with Asian? Would he also think it acceptable to bar players like Sen and Loner access from the TSL? I find his overall statements like "keep this a non-Asian tournament" to be offensive.

Where does he single out koreans, he just says that the invites are all over the place.
I think you are reading too much into this...

Where does he single out Koreans? How about this entire paragraph, which sounds utterly retarded and makes little if any sense at all:

"And also I think that success of Koreans is pretty bad for TSL, because for example I, as spectator, really prefer to watch very nicely prepared non-Koreans against each rather than watching the usual games of Koreans, many who don't care about this tournament. If I want to watch Koreans play, I'd go to GomTV.net."

And this entire piece: "I really feel that they shouldn't invite Koreans and make it like the last TSLs: an event for non-Asian community..." (Yes, I realize he also acknowledged the possibility of inviting only "true Koreans" and making the rest of the GSL foreigners qualify like everyone else, which does indeed work toward his credit a bit, but his last paragraph that I just quoted really seems to flat out say that he simply doesn't want Koreans in the TSL, so it leads me to conclude that he threw in the "true Koreans" part just to pad himself a bit from sounding completely discriminatory).

It's hard to read too much into things when his statements are right there, ESPECIALLY that last paragraph. It just feels rather ugly and bitter in my eyes. I'm not simply trying to find faults with Strelok when they might not exist; I don't even know the guy in the SC2 scene. But he did make a pretty bad first impression on me.

he basically liked more the format of the past TSLs where apparently there were less invites and the foreign scene was duking it out on theirselves. this also comes from the history of starcraft and bw where the korean scene was miles ahead and both scenes more isolated to themselves.

you can agree with this or not but give this guy a break. you cant expect that everyone immediately changes their mindset 100% just because we have a new situation with starcraft 2 when you are used to something different.

the rest imo is just getting butthurt because of missing the most possible "political correct" way to express this concern.

There is no most possible "politically correct" way to express the desire to arbitrarily restrict a certain nationality or race. There's a big difference from "liking a format of the past TSLs" and making it abundantly clear that he doesn't want any Koreans competing in his precious tournament. Anyone interpreting what Strelok said as mere discontent with TSL 3's current format is completely missing the obvious anti-Korean sentiment in his post. I mean, read that last paragraph. It seems like he doesn't even like Korean play for some odd reason ("the usual games of Koreans"?) and that he wants to keep both scenes isolated - neither of which are admirable sentiments in my eyes. TBH I usually don't care about political correctness. I make seriously un-PC jokes with my friends all the time. It's only when I perceive blatant, sincere discrimination that I feel the need to speak out.

if your bold part is true why does he concede then that their might use some invitespots for the "true koreans". he seem to be just not happy yet with the amount of changes, invites and so on compared to the previous tournaments probably due to the reasons I mentioned.

I acknowledged that point in a previous post, but I'll say it again for you. Yes, he does concede that there might be some invite spots for "true Koreans", but he shoots himself in the foot in his last paragraph, where he goes on to say that he'd rather watch only foreigners play against each other in the TSL, and that if he wanted to watch Koreans, he'd go to gomtv.net. That last paragraph clearly shows his true feelings on the matter - he doesn't want Koreans in the TSL. I don't know how else you'd interpret that last paragraph.

well I dont agree with this paragraph either. but I also dont have hard feelings about just one paragraph in such an interview. yes it is obviously more appealing to him if only the foreign scene like it was in starcraft 1 would duke it out on their own in this tournament. but isnt this to a certain extent understandable from his player view and given the starcraft and foreign sc tournament history which he is used to? this obviously has more practicable, what you are used to and what you can identify more with due to the past reasons than it got anything to do with racism.

Lingering familiarities from the BW era scenes being more isolated doesn't justify it at all in my book. That's just silly. That's like saying it's okay for someone to be racist, because in the past they had participated in a war against whoever they're racist towards. The reason Koreans weren't in the previous TSLs was due to the skill gap just being too great. Now that that's clearly changed and foreigners have a legitimate perceived shot at taking a tournament seeded with top korean players, there's no longer a reason for them to not participate. I'm with HolyArrow. That last paragraph just came across as really xenophobic and I lost a lot of respect for Sterlock there.

Otherwise though, I'm loving these pre-game interviews. I'm getting more hyped every day. I really hope FD catches a break, I felt bad for the guy.

aside from the discussion I wanted to say something to the part I marked bold. I am not totally sure about that. ofc its not like it was in bw. but the korean sc2 progamers train probably in nearly the same conditions and schedule like the sc 1 progamers whereas I dont expect "foreigners" which dont live in a korean programing house atm to have the same quality and amount of training.

in IEM guys like Moon, Squirtle, Ace wouldnt even to be considered such top tier players like Mvp, Nestea etc and still you could see the result. again I am not saying that I myself would like to execlude them. I like it better how TSL did this.. just that I can understand if you from a foreign player perspective kind of feel more uncomfortable to go against them.

but ofc I would be glad if the korean and foreign scene will move more together and if on the long run both can compete on the same level.

HowSoOnIsNow

Canada480 Posts

March 16 2011 18:39 GMT

#257

What i like about TL is how fast people forget. Just 2 months ago, there was a series of interview with Fruitdealer, that was then asked to name a Progammer to had to be interview next. He asked for NaDa and postulated the following question..

''How did it feel to get your command center infested back in the days of BW..''

That`s a troll question right there. Fruit`s notorious for posting troll post on PlayXP while drunk.

And right now, it`s his first Foreigner Tournament, and its the first time meeting us, and he`s being a nice guy about it. You`d prefer a guy kicking at your door, screaming ''Helloooooo bitches'' while entering your place?

And this is not boxing, i wouldn`t want SC to turn like that, a smack talk fest, made by nerds. How ridiculous would that be. Like Nerd please, 99.9% of the nerds that play SC cant back their smacktalk, they would never talk like that in the Streets to no one. Most of the shit talkers, they cant back it up in real life. That`s not being real to me.

mordk

Chile8385 Posts

March 16 2011 18:46 GMT

#258

Gooo Fruitdealer!!.. Out of all SC2 players I think FD is one of the most iconic, because of how epic his GSL1 run was. Don't care if he's been sloppy as of late. I'm definitely a fan!

Ones I'd like to see win TSL3:

-FD
-White-Ra
-Jinro
-MC

Ballack

Norway821 Posts

March 16 2011 18:51 GMT

#259

I couldn't agree less with Strelok. I think most people would like to see top Koreans fighting the best foreigners.

rafaliusz

Poland482 Posts

March 16 2011 19:03 GMT

#260

I'm suprised how many people are bashing Strelok here, he's totally right. But when I think about it most of these people are very new to Starcraft, e-sport and competitive gaming. You guys don't even know how it was before SC2, koreans didn't give a shit to foreign scene for 10 years, why would we start inviting them to our events? To be politically correct and avoid those ridiculous "stop being racist" comments? That is insane.
Moreover there is another obvious reason. All these top korean pros will just own foreigners, before IEM nobody really knew how big the skill gap between these two scenes is. Now we know that we can't match with them in skill and the foreigner-v-korean games will be completely one-sided. I guess TL didn't know that before invites and even I thought that the gap is not that huge. If there are smart people in TL staff I'm sure they regret their decision and are scared of the upcoming games. I suspect that TSL4 will be foreign-only again.

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