EPT[TSL] Tyler, Strelok, FruitD, Thorzain Interviews - Page 15
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Lumi
United States1612 Posts
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
On March 17 2011 02:08 Riotbot wrote: Lingering familiarities from the BW era scenes being more isolated doesn't justify it at all in my book. That's just silly. That's like saying it's okay for someone to be racist, because in the past they had participated in a war against whoever they're racist towards. The reason Koreans weren't in the previous TSLs was due to the skill gap just being too great. Now that that's clearly changed and foreigners have a legitimate perceived shot at taking a tournament seeded with top korean players, there's no longer a reason for them to not participate. I'm with HolyArrow. That last paragraph just came across as really xenophobic and I lost a lot of respect for Sterlock there. Otherwise though, I'm loving these pre-game interviews. I'm getting more hyped every day. I really hope FD catches a break, I felt bad for the guy. Your analogy to racism pretty much hit the nail on the head. You can't justify discriminatory feelings by going "Oh, but his feelings are understandable to due to history". That's like excusing most of the deep south in the U.S for discrimination against African Americans today because of the history there. Note that I am not trying to draw moral equivalence here. I'm just using the analogy to make the general argument that you don't just excuse xenophobia/discrimination by citing someone's history. Doesn't work that way. To me, and likely to many other people criticizing Strelok, people simply sense lots of bitterness toward Koreans in his post, which is childish and short-sighted. I admire the Korean scene for all its attempts to give foreigners opportunities in Korea. Their actions to try to reach out to the foreign community can't be understated. Yet there are still people like Strelok who don't seem to acknowledge any of that, and just complain about Koreans in western tournaments, wanting to keep THEM out of the foreigner scene. It boggles my mind. Way to be totally fucking ungrateful. | ||
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Snaphoo
United States614 Posts
It seems lazy and almost bigoted to say "don't let in the koreans, they'll destroy us." I think it's an awesome opportunity for fan favorites from Korea to play against non-Korean fan favorites like Jinro, Morrow, etc. And the foreign scene really can't grow if it internalizes inferiority like Strelok does; as tournaments like MLG and NASL create prize pools large enough to make foreign players take SC2 training as seriously as a job, and foreigners continue to compete in Korea, I really don't see why the player field for SC2 can't be more equal. + Show Spoiler + If SanZenith can knock NesTea down to Up-and-Down matches, if MVP can knocked down to Code A, and if HuK can make Code S, Finally-- I think I speak for a lot of casual spectators when I say that I'm a lot more interested in seeing players like MVP, MC and NesTea in this tournament than I am in seeing MouzStrelok, so his argument that inviting Koreans weakens the foreign e-sport scene is ridiculous. If Strelok takes down a top-level Korean player, I would be the first person to clap for him, and I think he'd change his tune about this issue. Tournaments like this bridge the global scene, and I applaud the organizers for putting together the strongest field they could while leaving qualifier spots open. | ||
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China13814 Posts
I'm rooting for FD! Still a loyal fanboy since GSL1! | ||
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MorroW
Sweden3522 Posts
on a sidenote, nice interviews but cant help to think ive been trolled by FD bashing on my zvz xD | ||
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ptbl
United States6074 Posts
On March 17 2011 06:30 MorroW wrote: i think strelok said that its silly to invite foreigners who are living in korea as 'korean invites'. he thinks jinro and idra etc would have to qualify just like the rest of us, which i think wouldnt be too unfair. again im not sure if strelok meant this or not but this is what i got from it :p on a sidenote, nice interviews but cant help to think ive been trolled by FD bashing on my zvz xD Hopefully, you'll be able to show off your zvz skills in Korea during the GSL World Championship. Make us foreigners proud  . | ||
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Wasteweiser
Canada522 Posts
On March 17 2011 06:30 MorroW wrote: i think strelok said that its silly to invite foreigners who are living in korea as 'korean invites'. he thinks jinro and idra etc would have to qualify just like the rest of us, which i think wouldnt be too unfair. again im not sure if strelok meant this or not but this is what i got from it :p on a sidenote, nice interviews but cant help to think ive been trolled by FD bashing on my zvz xD To bad you uphold like 2% of the european zerg population lol, best of luck MorroW! | ||
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
On March 17 2011 06:30 MorroW wrote: i think strelok said that its silly to invite foreigners who are living in korea as 'korean invites'. he thinks jinro and idra etc would have to qualify just like the rest of us, which i think wouldnt be too unfair. again im not sure if strelok meant this or not but this is what i got from it :p on a sidenote, nice interviews but cant help to think ive been trolled by FD bashing on my zvz xD It's true, that's what he said. I don't think anyone criticizing Strelok has any problems with that. What they have issues with is the overall undertone of discrimination/xenophobia/bitterness/whatever you want to call it in the rest of his answer. Again, look at that last paragraph in his TSL rant. What was he trying to say there? That had nothing to do with foreigners. It is completely about how he just doesn't want to see Koreans play in the tournament for some reason. | ||
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LuckyMacro
United States1482 Posts
Aha and I like how everyone is picking on FD's interview. Shows that people will look for ANYTHING to complain about. Reminds me of how everyone hated/hates Rafael Nadal's interviews because they were "too humble" and robotic--he let his racquet do the talking. | ||
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Arterial
Australia1039 Posts
want you to win so badlyyyyyyyyy! | ||
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Zaixer
Sweden82 Posts
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
On March 17 2011 06:46 Zaixer wrote: I find most interviews with korean players almost offensive. Why do they even bother with interviews when all they want to provide is copy-paste answers without any trace of honest opinions. I find your lack of cultural acceptance to be almost offensive. Why do you even bother voicing your opinion on their interviews when all you want to provide is blatant cultural ignorance? | ||
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Snaphoo
United States614 Posts
The vast majority of successful professional athletes given answers/interviews like that (see: New England Patriots). | ||
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LuckyMacro
United States1482 Posts
On March 17 2011 06:46 Zaixer wrote: I find most interviews with korean players almost offensive. Why do they even bother with interviews when all they want to provide is copy-paste answers without any trace of honest opinions. Look at each of the individual questions...how do you think he should have answered them differently? | ||
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Odeyuken
France94 Posts
And yes, most professional athletes are being like this as well, that's why it's always fun to have people that act a bit differently and try to be more bold during their interviews. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5623 Posts
On March 17 2011 06:30 MorroW wrote: i think strelok said that its silly to invite foreigners who are living in korea as 'korean invites'. he thinks jinro and idra etc would have to qualify just like the rest of us, which i think wouldnt be too unfair. again im not sure if strelok meant this or not but this is what i got from it :p on a sidenote, nice interviews but cant help to think ive been trolled by FD bashing on my zvz xD The reason why they invited some of the foreigners living in Korea is because Asia as a whole was excluded from the qualifies - based on location, not country of origin, and due to logisticl reasons. Had they allowed Jinro, HuK, etc. qualify, they would've had to allow other people currently residing in Asian countries participate in some kind of a qualifier. They had stated they are currently incapable of handling something of this magnitude. I think the system was fine with all that in mind. Looking forward to Strelok vs. Tyler (rooting for Strelok) and FA vs. Morrow (FA fighting! ^__^). I also think Ciara will upset MC. O_o | ||
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koolaid1990
831 Posts
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TemplarCo.
Mexico2870 Posts
I like how FruitDealer says that he'll go and show us that he is the old FruitDealer we all now!!! :D | ||
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Qaatar
1409 Posts
Imo, shit-talking being "normal" in other sports avenues says more about those sports than it does about this community. | ||
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
On March 17 2011 07:07 Odeyuken wrote: It's amazing how fast you can be labelled as a "racist" just because you are not fond of the interviews of the Koreans. I mean, everyone understands the cultural difference and I'm perfecly fine with that, but still I think it's amazingly lame and boring. And yes, most professional athletes are being like this as well, that's why it's always fun to have people that act a bit differently and try to be more bold during their interviews. I'll assume that was mainly directed at me. Two things: 1. Cultural ignorance =/= racist. I didn't accuse anyone criticizing FD's interview of being racist. 2. You say everyone understands cultural difference. My point was that Zaixer evidently didn't. There's a difference between not being fond of their interviews and outright going "Oh man, that interview was almost offensive. He just lied through his teeth throughout the interview without providing any honest input!" That shows a clear lack of understanding of Korean culture. | ||
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