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Zapdos_Smithh
Canada2620 Posts
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Fallout
Sweden54 Posts
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NonY
8748 Posts
On December 07 2009 14:25 LeoTheLion wrote: So here's the thing. If 50 people in a group play each other once, the net margin is 50 points per game (not MOTW) or 80 points per game (MOTW). Let's be generous and say 50 points per game. So every round, the average points of the players goes up 50 points. This can keep on happening to B+ rank, until players hit A-. Only when they hit green does the pool lose 10 points. Since TSL people are almost exclusively playing TSL people, they are just adding points to the TSL pool. Theoretically a group of C- players could get up to high B+ like this. However F91 got up to A- from a much larger pool, what skill levels A/B/C/D really are on iccup, and not because of circlejerking points from other TSL members. Whether or not he deserves "mad props" is subjective dependent on the person, but I think it's pretty impressive. He has achieved a "real" A rank on iccup. this is common knowledge on tl.net. i think i may have even spelled out this same feature of the iccup ranking system myself some time ago. anyway you're just restating your position in different terms. yeah, i've already said that what deserves props is based on a standard. i said it'd be sad if all the cheap players have lowered the standard, such that playing normally deserves props. subjective, yeah. and since you seem to be new at this iccup system discussion, i'll repeat some more info that's been said 100x on tl.net already: real rank is achieved only by playing with the first wave of people at the start of a new season. the legitimacy of ranks achieved at the end of a season has always been doubted. especially the record is nearly meaningless. and as im sure you've realized by now, whatever is achieved while TSL is going on is also less meaningful, even if the player doesnt directly take part in the pinata of points. the effect is nearly impossible to escape there was a time when foreigners would play the first month of a new iccup or pgtour season hard, with no dodging of any sort, and not anonymously. that's when ranks gained meaning. since then, ranks have lost meaning in a dozen different ways: not playing at the start of the season, not playing enough games, not trying as hard as possible to win every game ("practicing builds"), not using motw, picking opponent based on country, picking opponent based on race, picking opponent based on map, picking opponent based on record, picking lower ranked opponents, using a 1-time-win build and not giving rematches, sharing accounts, playing during a special event like TSL, playing anonymously. . . there's a baker's dozen haha. if more top players played and avoided most of these pitfalls, we could get a sense of what ranks mean again. | ||
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NonY
8748 Posts
On December 07 2009 17:38 baubo wrote: So can you fill the question mark? People who only tough opponents = props People who play normally = no comment either way People who purposely dodge tough opponents = ??? i've used the word cheap but there are many different words people have used here... | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On December 07 2009 22:38 StylishVODs wrote: Gogo nau, hay dato and sortof;) and u too morrow, i don't know u that well but you're from sweden! The high ranks are rediculus:/ so much dodging but then again 10k might be worth it even IdrA is playing it safe now, only 1 win vs A koreans in the last 25 games and that korean is A- now with 50%ish stats. Edit: I frased that badly i guess since he's played other A koreans and lost, so not really playing it safe but more like have undeserved points. A+ legit nr 1 would have been so nice ill do it once the motw changes no point trying on heartbreak | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
On December 08 2009 00:04 IdrA wrote: ill do it once the motw changes no point trying on heartbreak fair enough. | ||
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Ganfei
Taiwan1439 Posts
On December 07 2009 23:42 Torlak wrote: Well Yan seems to be on fire, didn't know he was that good, I'm impressed. It's a shame no one is even trying to threaten Idra though. I'd expected at least a couple of guys being capable of challenging him for the No.1 spot. Yan is the Octzerg of PvP | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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BaltA
Norway849 Posts
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grobo
Japan6199 Posts
On December 08 2009 00:42 BaltA wrote: we all know incontrol is a better player overall than MorroW. Morrow is not bad or anything. But incontrol is the stronger player. He have proved himself SEVERAL times, which morrow hasnt Morrow has been playing for what, a year? that's like saying Kolll sucks because he hasn't achieved anything except WCG this year. Not saying he's better than inc or anything, just that it's a pretty stupid comparison. | ||
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Sinedd
Poland7052 Posts
wow , so many players A or A- , but some of them are dodging like crazy ... | ||
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MorroW
Sweden3522 Posts
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kroko
Finland2136 Posts
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
I wouldnt mind losing 10 games to a single person in the ladder as long as I make it to the final TSL round of 16.. Everything else is just not of importance.. | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
Take a beer and chill :p | ||
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SkelA
Macedonia13032 Posts
Btw i dont really understand why most players got like 90+ % of games on HBR and Python when theese maps are not even in TSL mappool makes no sense to me | ||
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NonY
8748 Posts
On December 08 2009 01:32 SkelA wrote: Morrow chill or maybe you want a ban? Btw i dont really understand why most players got like 90+ % of games on HBR and Python when theese maps are not even in TSL mappool makes no sense to me cuz for half of the ladder there has been no TSL map as motw | ||
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Boundz(DarKo)
5311 Posts
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StorrZerg
United States13919 Posts
On December 08 2009 01:49 Boundz(DarKo) wrote: Idra go for A+ please. :D when motw change he will! | ||
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Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
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