EPTTSL Player Eligibility and Nongminzerg - Page 16
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Pholon
Netherlands6142 Posts
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Ota Solgryn
Denmark2011 Posts
E.g. So many people seem to think the rules were made to exclude nongmin, when they were actually made to include him. (Unfortunatly he goes on vacation and the rules excludes him regardless). It hurts my eyes. | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
On November 13 2009 19:20 Ota Solgryn wrote:So many people seem to think the rules were made to exclude nongmin, when they were actually made to include him. I was going to stay out of the thread since I had posted everything I wanted to express, but this is not true, as if the admins really wanted to include him, they could easily change the rules. The admins are setting the rules with the people they want to include/exclude in mind; it's not as if they wrote the rule then discovered "Oops, we just accidently included/excluded person X." And there's no need to say "Oh if the rule is changed to allow perxon X, then it'll allow this entire other group of people we don't want to include," as it's an easy problem to solve. Here's something that would work, for example, and wouldn't require a vague "grew up in", etc. just to somehow allow a few people currently living in South Korea: Rule 1: People living in South Korea, or those who are paid by and esports team are not allowed to participate. Rule 2: The following list of people are allowed to participate even if they don't qualify under rule 1 - ret, Idra, etc. | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On November 13 2009 18:24 Pholon wrote: I don't get how you measure Nongmin's contribution to the foreign communit by comparing it to Rekrul, Idra, Artosis etc contribution when he contributes much more than the average person elligible to play. And yes Kona gets to play but you're saying that if he happened to be on vacation in Korea those three weeks you'd exclude him? That's bizarre imo, it's not like he'll get picked up by a pro team right away and receive special training in those 3 or so weeks... right? For the record, lilsusie and uhjoo are both ineligible for the TSL. | ||
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Durak
Canada3685 Posts
On November 13 2009 22:58 Zona wrote: I was going to stay out of the thread since I had posted everything I wanted to express, but this is not true, as if the admins really wanted to include him, they could easily change the rules. The admins are setting the rules with the people they want to include/exclude in mind; it's not as if they wrote the rule then discovered "Oops, we just accidently included/excluded person X." And there's no need to say "Oh if the rule is changed to allow perxon X, then it'll allow this entire other group of people we don't want to include," as it's an easy problem to solve. Here's something that would work, for example, and wouldn't require a vague "grew up in", etc. just to somehow allow a few people currently living in South Korea: Rule 1: People living in South Korea, or those who are paid by and esports team are not allowed to participate. Rule 2: The following list of people are allowed to participate even if they don't qualify under rule 1 - ret, Idra, etc. Your rules don't work. The admins want the TSL to be a foreigner tournament and your rules allow korean amatures. The idea is that koreans have enough tournaments (a huge percentage of the SC scene and prize money) and so there should be more foreigner tournaments to encourage SC outside of the established pro scene. All of these points have been addressed before. Make sure you read through the entire thread to understand the situation. Edit:Oh, and there isn't enough hype in this thread. Every thread should have a TSL, fuck yeah! | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
If he's allowed to play in TSL3 he obviously fit the demands, the only reason he can't play in this tournament is because he takes a flight to korea right before the tourny starts. Will he suddenly become a pro-gamer? Why couldn't you make an exception for him? | ||
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win8282
Korea (South)454 Posts
"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others" That said, I feel (not that TSL management would give a rat's nut about it) nongmin should in let in the tourney under current language of the rules. I respect Hot_bid and the TL staff immensely, but they should be more honest with their intentions... Just say *No Asians unless they lived most of their life in non-china/korea *Players affiliated with a pro-team may not participate unless they are are a ratings hit and TSL would fail miserably without them(IdrA, yay!, ret, yay! [fine, ret not anymore, but still, IdrA is @ CJ]) *Exceptions to the above rules can be made but if and only IF the contestant is not a Korean | ||
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meeple
Canada10211 Posts
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36402 Posts
On November 14 2009 00:59 win8282 wrote: This thread makes me think of George Orwell's animal farm "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others" That said, I feel (not that TSL management would give a rat's nut about it) nongmin should in let in the tourney under current language of the rules. I respect Hot_bid and the TL staff immensely, but they should be more honest with their intentions... Just say *No Asians unless they lived most of their life in non-china/korea That's basically what we said with the rule about growing up in a non-BW proscene country. *Players affiliated with a pro-team may not participate unless they are are a ratings hit and TSL would fail miserably without them(IdrA, yay!, ret, yay! [fine, ret not anymore, but still, IdrA is @ CJ]) This is our "part of the foreigner community for a long time" exception. Legionnaire, Rekrul, etc all fit under this. If IdrA was a Korean born and raised in America and moved to Korea to play BW, he'd still fit under this. *Exceptions to the above rules can be made but if and only IF the contestant is not a Korean Nope, this is untrue, we said Nongmin could play if he was in the United States. I know several Korean-Americans born in Korea who will play in the TSL. We're not banning them -- more for impossibility of enforcement reasons than anything else -- but we're still not banning them. Again, if IdrA was a Korean-American who was a big part of the foreigner scene, we'd still allow him. If there was a white guy born and raised and living/playing in Korea, we'd ban him. It has nothing to do with race. I don't know why people think we're like these villains hiding things, when we've been very clear and open about everything. When you read these rules, do you not understand our reasoning behind them? Do you think we are truly "not being honest" about our intentions? Do you really think we believe that you the audience is so stupid that you wouldn't understand these points that you listed in the "just say this" part? Please give us a little more credit than that. We know what people will think, and we have nothing to hide. | ||
Ethelis
United States2400 Posts
On November 13 2009 23:01 Plexa wrote: For the record, lilsusie and uhjoo are both ineligible for the TSL. lilsusie cant play!? blasphemy! lilsusie > tossgirl | ||
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Ash
Malaysia1978 Posts
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bEsT[Alive]
606 Posts
A few people have asked it including myself, but no one has answered it. | ||
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coconutman
United Kingdom26 Posts
Its a shame to hear he wont be allowed to participate but i respect how difficult it must have been for you to come to this decision. Great to hear he will be able to play in TSL3 if he is in the US. Thanks | ||
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Necosarius
Sweden4042 Posts
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lac29
United States1485 Posts
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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3 Lions
United States3705 Posts
On November 14 2009 04:38 Holgerius wrote: Aren't chinese players banned because of the lag issues? yes | ||
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Purind
Canada3562 Posts
On November 13 2009 23:01 Plexa wrote: For the record, lilsusie and uhjoo are both ineligible for the TSL. If I was in charge, I too would ban Xellos from TSL2 | ||
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Ota Solgryn
Denmark2011 Posts
On November 13 2009 22:58 Zona wrote: I was going to stay out of the thread since I had posted everything I wanted to express, but this is not true, as if the admins really wanted to include him, they could easily change the rules. The admins are setting the rules with the people they want to include/exclude in mind; it's not as if they wrote the rule then discovered "Oops, we just accidently included/excluded person X." And there's no need to say "Oh if the rule is changed to allow perxon X, then it'll allow this entire other group of people we don't want to include," as it's an easy problem to solve. Here's something that would work, for example, and wouldn't require a vague "grew up in", etc. just to somehow allow a few people currently living in South Korea: Rule 1: People living in South Korea, or those who are paid by and esports team are not allowed to participate. Rule 2: The following list of people are allowed to participate even if they don't qualify under rule 1 - ret, Idra, etc. Its still increadible. You still don't get it. And you still actually think they made it to exclude him. Perhaps I was being too specific. Maybe I should have written "rules were made to include people like nongmin". I mean, he is obviously not the only one in that situation, just the most "known". Unfortonatly Nongmin got hurt by this exact rule because he goes back to korea (which they found out after making the rules). But they probably made the rules as they are to include other asians living e.g. in the US And your rules does not make sense. Especially number two. I really believe the organisers are trying to keep it as objective as it can, while still allowing people like ret and idra and koreans that have lived outside korea to participate. Making a rule that specifically allows some players is some of the most subjective element I can think of. Finally, yes, you can most like find some crazy wording that allows nongmin regardless, but where does it end? Then some other players would maybe be disalowed or it would include some players that are not beneficial for foreign SC. | ||
GTR
51672 Posts
On November 13 2009 23:01 Plexa wrote: For the record, lilsusie and uhjoo are both ineligible for the TSL. nooo not xellos | ||
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