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Thratur
Canada917 Posts
On November 12 2009 06:08 Rostam wrote: If KeSPA has taught us anything it's that we should look not at the rule itself but the intent behind it. Why does it forbid Koreans? This is so true and I don't think the reason why we forbid Koreans apply to him. | ||
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RyanS
United States620 Posts
On November 12 2009 06:16 Rostam wrote: Why not ban non-Koreans who speak Korean then? They have those same advantages. If you go on battle.net and ask someone for a game in Korean they're not going to say "wait, are you a Korean citizen?" Give an example of a big name foreign player(that has a shot to win/go far in the tournament) who speaks Korean? Because I am not sure of any. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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maleum
Poland8 Posts
On November 12 2009 06:06 Holgerius wrote: The rule doesn't forbid professional players from participating; it forbids koreans. Idra is not korean. Well, then the rule is sort of bullshit. I'd think the clear intent should be to seperate the much-better developed korean scene from the foreign one. I belive that Nongmin should be able to play (as a result of his stay in the States) and Idra (as a result of his semi-pro (?) training) should not. I'm not sure about Ret. He just got there, right? If so, he should be eligible. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On November 12 2009 06:21 RyanS wrote: Give an example of a big name foreign player(that has a shot to win/go far in the tournament) who speaks Korean? Because I am not sure of any. That doesn't change the principle of the rule. Arguably, the match commentary on TL.net is a hell of a lot more detailed than MBC/OGN TV shows. Ever watch Day[9]'s stream? Perhaps that is game-breaking analysis for all TL members... | ||
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yes9111
United States420 Posts
If people like Idra and Ret are playing, it will be definitely not a one-sided noob-stomping tournament just because he's Korean. Plus, his contributions are great and he should be rewarded. | ||
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Phrogs!
Japan521 Posts
On November 12 2009 06:09 RyanS wrote: This is a matter of citizenship rather than him just going back to Korea in the near future. He is not American, he is a Korean. He has access to every bit of Korean StarCraft available on the internet. He can understand every bit of the analysis from pro games on OGN/MBC. He has access to amateur Korean practice partners, maybe even players on a pro team, and can befriend them because he is Korean. Korean amateur players are generally are higher skilled than non-Korean amateur players(might be some argument on that, but I think most can agree). Of course you can say well what about Idra? I don't necessarily think it is the same situation. He does have the good Korean practice partners, but not everything else that a Korean born and raised person would have that I mentioned up above. He is a good community member and his contributions are appreciated, but I just don't think it is fair to let him in. By your logic, wouldn't you ban non-koreans who had learned the language? I know some korean sites require a korean social security number, but for example I can still watch all the VODs and get onto the big korean starcraft forums like pgr21 or ygosu. I'm not particularly for or against nongmin participating in the TSL, I'm just curious what your response will be. edit: someone beat me to it. | ||
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T.O.P.
Hong Kong4685 Posts
On November 12 2009 06:07 Thratur wrote: Does he speak English? I believe that this is what makes the biggest difference between our community and Korean community : language. From my opinion, if he can speak English then he can be part of our community with no problem. If not, then he's a Korean. I would let SuperDanielMan or Lilsusie play, for example. This guy is going to John Hopkins, ranked 14th national university in the USA. Nongmin must be really good at english or else he wouldn't have got into such a prestigious university. | ||
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StartAgain
Japan52 Posts
Yes, I am very fluent in Korean. I understand and speak the language well. :| | ||
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Ganfei
Taiwan1439 Posts
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Julmust
Sweden4867 Posts
On November 12 2009 06:17 meeple wrote: LoL... win Also, I guess the biggest question is why we're not letting Koreans play. Is it because living in that intense competitive atmosphere makes them so much better than gamers in other places? If so, then I would agree that ret and Idra shouldn't be allowed to play. Well the thing is that this is a tournament for the foreign scene, and I enjoy watching players you know (like ret, idra, mondi and so on) play. I don't think all koreans should be let in, but I definatly think nongmin should be allowed in since he's been a part of the foreign community with his streaming. Edit: But I do realize this is a hard descision for TL/TSL staff | ||
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Djin)ftw(
Germany3357 Posts
is this like some sort of crazy racism that if u are american but live in korea u are in, but if u r korean and live in the USA u r out? ridicolous | ||
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Bearded Elder29905 Posts
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Rostam
United States2552 Posts
On November 12 2009 06:25 Ganfei wrote: lol he's on his stream saying he won't livestream anymore if he is banned from TSL I don't really think an ultimatum is a good way to go about this but I guess I can see why he'd be upset. | ||
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timmeh
Austria177 Posts
On November 12 2009 06:25 Ganfei wrote: lol he's on his stream saying he won't livestream anymore if he is banned from TSL Well, he didn't word it as a threat or anything | ||
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azndsh
United States4447 Posts
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
On November 12 2009 06:23 Hapahauli wrote: That doesn't change the principle of the rule. Arguably, the match commentary on TL.net is a hell of a lot more detailed than MBC/OGN TV shows. Ever watch Day[9]'s stream? Perhaps that is game-breaking analysis for all TL members... Have you watched the subtitled translations of the Korean commentary? There's a reason those guys are paid, and it's not just because they can scream loud. They understand the game extremely well. | ||
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kiendudu
Netherlands273 Posts
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
On November 12 2009 06:25 Ganfei wrote: lol he's on his stream saying he won't livestream anymore if he is banned from TSL Well, banning him from the TSL is analogous to saying "Nope, sorry, you're not part of the foreign community". Why should he want to provide a service to a community that shuns him? | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On November 12 2009 06:27 Jyvblamo wrote: Have you watched the subtitled translations of the Korean commentary? There's a reason those guys are paid, and it's not just because they can scream loud. They understand the game extremely well. So do the top ranked foreigners and Day9's stream. I mean seriously? | ||
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