EPTAllow Nongmin in TSL2 - Page 3
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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Rostam
United States2552 Posts
On November 12 2009 05:59 ThePhan2m wrote: I dont see why he should be allowed? why make exceptions suddently when big money comes into the picture. It is very easy for people that are not thinking of participating in TSL2 to vote yes. But it is unfair for the rest of the community. Its easy for you who have been watching his stream since he started to state that he should be given the chance. No strings attached! he is still korean, no exceptions imo! How is it unfair to the rest of the community? | ||
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FyRe_DragOn
Canada2056 Posts
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NeVeR
1352 Posts
On November 12 2009 05:48 T.O.P. wrote: So TSL2 = White people only? I would like to stress than Nongmin is a Korean American. He's just as American as Incontrol. You should not ban a player just because of he's of Korean decent. Is he actually an American citizen? If so, then he should absolutely be allowed to compete. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On November 12 2009 05:59 daz wrote: IdrA shouldnt be allowed to play either. I honestly have no idea why they still let him into foreigner tournaments when he is a progamer. The rule doesn't forbid professional players from participating; it forbids koreans. Idra is not korean. | ||
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Thratur
Canada917 Posts
I would let SuperDanielMan or Lilsusie play, for example. | ||
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kiendudu
Netherlands273 Posts
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Rostam
United States2552 Posts
On November 12 2009 06:06 Holgerius wrote: The rule doesn't forbid professional players from participating; it forbids koreans. Idra is not korean. If KeSPA has taught us anything it's that we should look not at the rule itself but the intent behind it. Why does it forbid Koreans? | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
Finally, note that the official poll mentions idra/ret's participation. Thus, nongmin should be able to participate. | ||
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NeVeR
1352 Posts
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TheDoctor
66 Posts
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RyanS
United States620 Posts
He is a good community member and his contributions are appreciated, but I just don't think it is fair to let him in. | ||
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MooCow
1434 Posts
On November 12 2009 06:07 Thratur wrote: Does he speak English? I believe that this is what makes the biggest difference between our community and Korean community : language. From my opinion, if he can speak English then he can be part of our community with no problem. If not, then he's a Korean. I would let SuperDanielMan or Lilsusie play, for example. I don't know if speaks English but he types to people on ICCup and people on his stream in English. | ||
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Twilight Templar
99 Posts
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selboN
United States2523 Posts
On November 12 2009 06:06 NeVeR wrote: Is he actually an American citizen? If so, then he should absolutely be allowed to compete. Doubt it, he is probably just on a school visa. Citizenship is very difficult to get at the moment. I could be wrong though. | ||
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Ganfei
Taiwan1439 Posts
On November 12 2009 06:06 Holgerius wrote: The rule doesn't forbid professional players from participating; it forbids koreans. Idra is not korean. uh the OP goes over that in pretty decent detail, it has nothing to do with race but with the benefits associated with living in a certain place. | ||
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Rostam
United States2552 Posts
On November 12 2009 06:09 RyanS wrote: This is a matter of citizenship rather than him just going back to Korea in the near future. He is not American, he is a Korean. He has access to every bit of Korean StarCraft available on the internet. He can understand every bit of the analysis from pro games on OGN/MBC. He has access to amateur Korean practice partners, maybe even players on a pro team, and can befriend them because he is Korean. Korean amateur players are generally are higher skilled than non-Korean amateur players(might be some argument on that, but I think most can agree). Of course you can say well what about Idra? I don't necessarily think it is the same situation. He does have the good Korean practice partners, but not everything else that a Korean born and raised person would have that I mentioned up above. He is a good community member and his contributions are appreciated, but I just don't think it is fair to let him in. Why not ban non-Koreans who speak Korean then? They have those same advantages. If you go on battle.net and ask someone for a game in Korean they're not going to say "wait, are you a Korean citizen?" | ||
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meathook
1289 Posts
Grammar Nazism ftw! Heil Grammar! I hope he gets to participate in the tourney though. On November 12 2009 05:28 okum wrote: Decisions, decisions. Poll: Do you want free candy? (Vote): Yes (Vote): No Momma told me not to accept candy from strangers. | ||
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meeple
Canada10211 Posts
On November 12 2009 05:43 Psyonic_Reaver wrote: Well it all depends on if Nongmin will be working hard in Korea or not. If he will be, then I say yes. LoL... win Also, I guess the biggest question is why we're not letting Koreans play. Is it because living in that intense competitive atmosphere makes them so much better than gamers in other places? If so, then I would agree that ret and Idra shouldn't be allowed to play. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On November 12 2009 06:09 RyanS wrote: This is a matter of citizenship rather than him just going back to Korea in the near future. He is not American, he is a Korean. He has access to every bit of Korean StarCraft available on the internet. He can understand every bit of the analysis from pro games on OGN/MBC. He has access to amateur Korean practice partners, maybe even players on a pro team, and can befriend them because he is Korean. Korean amateur players are generally are higher skilled than non-Korean amateur players(might be some argument on that, but I think most can agree). Of course you can say well what about Idra? I don't necessarily think it is the same situation. He does have the good Korean practice partners, but not everything else that a Korean born and raised person would have that I mentioned up above. He is a good community member and his contributions are appreciated, but I just don't think it is fair to let him in. You're suggesting that Idra, a pro-gamer, who has access to the best practice partners, practices Starcraft for a living, has full access to CJ Entus insider knowledge about strategy, somehow is at an informational disadvantage against a casual Korean player who lived in the US for four years!? Seriously!? What about a non-korean who speaks korean? Should he/she be banned because they have access to OGN/MBC starcraft commentary? | ||
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