I personally think rules need to be universal. The more you bend them for certain individuals, the more complications and unequality you get out of it. Allowing semi-pro gamers (ret/idra) to play but not allowing others seems a bit unfair. You need to set ground rules, and follow them from the start. I understand this is your tournament, but it still has to be run professionally, allowing everyone without a progamer license (or lag problems) an equal chance at the prize. I have a feeling he is being rejected because he is a really strong player, and has a great chance at winning it.

geegee1

United States618 Posts

November 11 2009 20:41 GMT

#22

if you guys arent going to invite nongming because he is korean then dont invite idra to any foreign tournaments because he is in korea and in a korean team. its not fair for someone who is in america and korea and yet idra is white and is in korea and in foreign tournaments. this doesnt make sense and fair

HiOT

Sweden1000 Posts

November 11 2009 20:42 GMT

#23

On November 12 2009 05:40 Holgerius wrote:

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It seems to me that you are contradicting yourself. By your logic Idra would indeed not be allowed to play; if we consider Nongmin to be American for living in America, then Idra is a Korean for living in Korea.

Jupp

Let him play!

Psyonic_Reaver

United States4342 Posts

November 11 2009 20:43 GMT

#24

Well it all depends on if Nongmin will be working hard in Korea or not. If he will be, then I say yes.

LuMiX

China5757 Posts

November 11 2009 20:44 GMT

#25

On November 12 2009 05:41 geegee1 wrote:
if you guys arent going to invite nongming because he is korean then dont invite idra to any foreign tournaments because he is in korea and in a korean team. its not fair for someone who is in america and korea and yet idra is white and is in korea and in foreign tournaments. this doesnt make sense and fair

agreed. i voted "YES"!

T.O.P.

Hong Kong4685 Posts

November 11 2009 20:48 GMT

#26

On November 12 2009 05:37 NeoOmega wrote:

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TSL is a tournament for foreigners, and in my opinion being a foreigner is about heritage/nationality not geographic location

So TSL2 = White people only?

I would like to stress than Nongmin is a Korean American. He's just as American as Incontrol. You should not ban a player just because of he's of Korean decent.

MiniRoman

Canada3953 Posts

November 11 2009 20:48 GMT

#27

Well doesn't make sense that Idra can play since he's been in Korea competing for so long. Ret just got to Korea so by these rules he should be out as well. Teamliquid has been about connecting foreigners to Koreans for the last 7 years and non-Koreans have been able to watch pros just like Koreans. Iccup brings a lot of Koreans to practice with so it just makes sense that this guy should be allowed in. Not only does he do things for TL (big favourtists here, favour your guy) but him living in America for so long is the mirror of the foreigners in Korea whom are allowed to play. Unless this is just mad racist ;O

Frits

11782 Posts

November 11 2009 20:49 GMT

#28

That's a lot of lines saying 'nongmin should play because he is a cool guy' ofcourse people are gonna vote yes on a poll because hes awesome, wont change a thing.

Your logic fails here because Idra and nonming are the exact opposites of eachother in this situation.

ProoM

Lithuania1741 Posts

November 11 2009 20:52 GMT

#29

Well, rules are rules, so I'd say no, even tho I watched his stream many times, he's an awsome guy, but rules are rules ;/.

DreaM)XeRO

Korea (South)4667 Posts

November 11 2009 20:52 GMT

#30

have we no shame ?
the man streams for us and we repay him with this kind of treatment?

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

November 11 2009 20:52 GMT

#31

Let him play!

MiniRoman

Canada3953 Posts

November 11 2009 20:53 GMT

#32

On November 12 2009 05:49 Frits wrote:
That's a lot of lines saying 'nongmin should play because he is a cool guy' ofcourse people are gonna vote yes on a poll because hes awesome, wont change a thing.

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Your logic fails here because Idra and nonming are the exact opposites of eachother in this situation.

Exact opposites are equal. This just an elaborate scheme to give idra free money?

MooCow

1434 Posts

November 11 2009 20:56 GMT

#33

Let him play~
He isn't allowed to play because he is Korean or because he is going to be living in Korea during the TSL?

Rostam

United States2552 Posts

November 11 2009 20:56 GMT

#34

I think he should be allowed to play, it's not like being born in Korea gave him some advantage over everyone else. He's been living in the US for quite a long time.

MorroW

Sweden3522 Posts

November 11 2009 20:58 GMT

#35

is he korean?

dont allow chinese or korean

^^;

oh he lives in usa?

lol ofc he can play then :D

FyRe_DragOn

Canada2056 Posts

November 11 2009 20:58 GMT

#36

If idra and ret are allowed to play, so should he. He is a U.S citizen isnt he?

ThePhan2m

Norway2751 Posts

November 11 2009 20:59 GMT

#37

I dont see why he should be allowed? why make exceptions suddently when big money comes into the picture. It is very easy for people that are not thinking of participating in TSL2 to vote yes. But it is unfair for the rest of the community. Its easy for you who have been watching his stream since he started to state that he should be given the chance. No strings attached! he is still korean, no exceptions imo!

daz

Canada643 Posts

November 11 2009 20:59 GMT

#38

On November 12 2009 05:40 Holgerius wrote:

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IdrA shouldnt be allowed to play either. I honestly have no idea why they still let him into foreigner tournaments when he is a progamer.

Aresien

United Kingdom305 Posts

November 11 2009 20:59 GMT

#39

Also I think any arguments that follow the lines of "he's too good to enter, you're just giving him money" should look to the game JF played vs Nongmin (was on stream a month ago or so, extremely sexy timing attack by JF), the foreigners are more than capable of playing him straight up.

Especially Idra (and Ret, even if his ZvZ is still being developed ^_^).

G0dly

United States450 Posts

November 11 2009 21:01 GMT

#40

Idra has been living and practicing in a pro gaming house for years - I see no reason why a korean student who has spent the last few years in the US can't compete as well.