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On September 12 2011 02:44 grs wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2011 00:20 Probe1 wrote:
I just tried to post in both threads then came to your conclusion JingleHell. I had a thought, well reasoned and moderate but then caught myself wondering if my post would actually matter one bit.
Fuck it, I only hope the moderators only ban the trolls and not simply people trying to open a discussion of the importance of international and US related terrorism while paying respect to real people really died and it isn't some theorybox discussion.
I am neither the biggest patriot or Jane Fonda on this forum but as long as the discussions remain away from insensitive polarities, I will be okay with it.
tl'dr Don't say America deserved it or kill all muslims and it's cool. Sad we are not at the point (yet) to be able to discuss this without it getting out of hand and the tread being closed. The Chile one did not deserved closing, but the following disussion in it probably did.
The OP proved, in my opinion, that he was trolling by his reaction, and by his first attempt at that thread that Plexa closed. He was throwing gas on the fire, instead of being reasonable. I have no issue with other stuff being commemorated, I think people should be less aggressive with it.
I personally find it distasteful for either side of the argument to use the dead as ammunition to further a nation-bashing vendetta.
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Huge tragedy of bans in the 9/11 topic ):
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On September 12 2011 04:24 Torte de Lini wrote:
Huge tragedy of bans in the 9/11 topic ):
A "tragedy" of bans? Is that what you call a group of them, like how you call a group of geese a "gaggle"?
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If only they were informed and properly taught manners.
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On September 12 2011 04:37 Torte de Lini wrote:
If only they were informed and properly taught manners.
I think they were, but then the Internet makes you forget them.
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I was gonna post this in Website Feedback, but I wasn't sure if it merited a thread of its own, so I'll just post it here, if ya don't mind. 
I was reading through the 9/11 thread a few minutes ago when I noticed this post:
On September 12 2011 04:00 hawliet wrote:
i know its sad, but i think worst things happened after that day you know U_u...
User was warned for this post
I'm curious, did this really warrant a warning? Yes, it's a bit insensitive to make a remark like that, but if you look at it another way, it seems justified. No one's denying that 9/11 was a really terrible event (unless you're a troll or whatever), but I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that what happened that day only served as a prelude to other tragedies, on both sides. When I read the post, I was inclined to believe that his point was, "Retribution for a terrible crime can lead to events that are just as terrible". A critique of America's response to 9/11, if you will.
Perhaps the terseness of this post made the user's intent ambiguous, but I believe that same ambiguity makes giving a warning a bit of a stretch. I checked the guy's post history too, and while he's not a particularly good or noteworthy poster, he's certainly not a bad one, so I don't think user history is to blame. So, that really leaves ambiguity as a reason to warn, and I find it interesting that at least in this particular case, if a statement is unclear enough to be construed in two different ways, the more questionable stance is acted on.
Is this sort of thing mod policy (the policy being, for lack of a better phrase, "when in doubt, warn"), or just one mod's perception of the post's intent?
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United States13896 Posts
On September 11 2011 18:43 EvilTeletubby wrote:
Please be respectful and keep out the flaming, conspiracy theories, nation hate, and political/military actions that have happened since.
The thread was started with a clear intended focus on the events of that day, and with a warning not to try to deviate conversation from that topic. While I think everyone understands the sentiments that you state he is appearing to make in the post, it is out of place in light of the mod warning.
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Fair enough. I confess I'd forgotten that ETT made that post. >_>
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Blazinghand
United States25552 Posts
I mean, a warning is pretty mild, if you think about it-- it's just the mod sending you a PM in response to a post. The warning could have been something like "Hey, man, you're a bit terse there. Please in the future try to be more respectful. I get the point you're trying to make but there were people who were affected directly by this tragedy etc etc"
I mean, I'd say that falls into "grey area", and if I were a moderator I would warn him, especially since in the OP it says:
Please be respectful and keep out the flaming, conspiracy theories, nation hate, and political/military actions that have happened since.
EDIT: oh man i was ninjad so hard. well played, pandemik. well played.
EDIT EDIT: I WAS EVEN NINJAED BY AERES RESPONSE TO PANDEMIK. Man I'm so slow at this you should call me an 18-wheeler on the 5.
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Starting to notice an amusing trend. "Mods feel free to close/move this if..."
I thought I had a massive ego, but I'm perfectly aware the mods don't need my permission to close/move a shitty thread.
Moreover, if you're concerned enough about the validity of your thread to put that in there, why not just PM a mod first and ask? There's always some on, and I bet they'd rather answer the question than deal with the post.
Mods, feel free to laugh if you've noticed this too. You have my permission, and even my blessing.
Same goes for admins and other forms of staff.
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On September 12 2011 05:54 JingleHell wrote:
Starting to notice an amusing trend. "Mods feel free to close/move this if..."
I thought I had a massive ego, but I'm perfectly aware the mods don't need my permission to close/move a shitty thread.
Moreover, if you're concerned enough about the validity of your thread to put that in there, why not just PM a mod first and ask? There's always some on, and I bet they'd rather answer the question than deal with the post.
Mods, feel free to laugh if you've noticed this too. You have my permission, and even my blessing.
Same goes for admins and other forms of staff.
Dont think it has to do with massive egos but rather that people are insecure about where/what to post so they wanna make clear that a mod rather remove it then ban them...
i guess.
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It's funnier to think of it like JingleHell does. Just like how I filter anyone trolling in the 9/11 thread. Instead of reading "9/11 was... troll" I replace 9/11 with kpop. Then its much better. kpop is an inside job, kpop isn't a big deal, kpop.
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On September 12 2011 06:20 aderum wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2011 05:54 JingleHell wrote:
Starting to notice an amusing trend. "Mods feel free to close/move this if..."
I thought I had a massive ego, but I'm perfectly aware the mods don't need my permission to close/move a shitty thread.
Moreover, if you're concerned enough about the validity of your thread to put that in there, why not just PM a mod first and ask? There's always some on, and I bet they'd rather answer the question than deal with the post.
Mods, feel free to laugh if you've noticed this too. You have my permission, and even my blessing.
Same goes for admins and other forms of staff. Dont think it has to do with massive egos but rather that people are insecure about where/what to post so they wanna make clear that a mod rather remove it then ban them... i guess.
It's stupid either way,if your thread is dumb enough to get closed and get you banned than it probably servers that purpose anyway.As Jingle said,if you are unsure about the thread you are about to make PM a mod or think again about what your about to post.After all,you know what they say-"If you have to think about it.......
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On September 12 2011 06:40 Probe1 wrote:
It's funnier to think of it like JingleHell does. Just like how I filter anyone trolling in the 9/11 thread. Instead of reading "9/11 was... troll" I replace 9/11 with kpop. Then its much better. kpop is an inside job, kpop isn't a big deal, kpop.
Kpop was caused by the CIA's Bigfoot impersonating Elvis at the behest of aliens being paid off by greedy corporate America? Interesting theory.
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On September 12 2011 06:44 TheKefka wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2011 06:20 aderum wrote:On September 12 2011 05:54 JingleHell wrote:
Starting to notice an amusing trend. "Mods feel free to close/move this if..."
I thought I had a massive ego, but I'm perfectly aware the mods don't need my permission to close/move a shitty thread.
Moreover, if you're concerned enough about the validity of your thread to put that in there, why not just PM a mod first and ask? There's always some on, and I bet they'd rather answer the question than deal with the post.
Mods, feel free to laugh if you've noticed this too. You have my permission, and even my blessing.
Same goes for admins and other forms of staff. Dont think it has to do with massive egos but rather that people are insecure about where/what to post so they wanna make clear that a mod rather remove it then ban them... i guess. It's stupid either way,if your thread is dumb enough to get closed and get you banned than it probably servers that purpose anyway.As Jingle said,if you are unsure about the thread you are about to make PM a mod or think again about what your about to post.After all,you know what they say-"If you have to think about it.......
You are probably right, its way better to PM a mod beforehand. I'm just saying that they are (most likely) trying to be good community members, and that i don't see a reason bashing people that do this.
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On September 12 2011 07:09 aderum wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2011 06:44 TheKefka wrote:On September 12 2011 06:20 aderum wrote:On September 12 2011 05:54 JingleHell wrote:
Starting to notice an amusing trend. "Mods feel free to close/move this if..."
I thought I had a massive ego, but I'm perfectly aware the mods don't need my permission to close/move a shitty thread.
Moreover, if you're concerned enough about the validity of your thread to put that in there, why not just PM a mod first and ask? There's always some on, and I bet they'd rather answer the question than deal with the post.
Mods, feel free to laugh if you've noticed this too. You have my permission, and even my blessing.
Same goes for admins and other forms of staff. Dont think it has to do with massive egos but rather that people are insecure about where/what to post so they wanna make clear that a mod rather remove it then ban them... i guess. It's stupid either way,if your thread is dumb enough to get closed and get you banned than it probably servers that purpose anyway.As Jingle said,if you are unsure about the thread you are about to make PM a mod or think again about what your about to post.After all,you know what they say-"If you have to think about it....... You are probably right, its way better to PM a mod beforehand. I'm just saying that they are (most likely) trying to be good community members, and that i don't see a reason bashing people that do this.
It's the stupidity of the phrase itself that makes it funny and joke-worthy. Not so much bashing. "Moderators feel free to moderate this post." is essentially what they're saying. And while I don't actually think it's arrogance (humor doesn't require being literal all the time), I do think it's a pretty ridiculous thing to put in your post.
Again, if you're really concerned about the value of a post, there's threads for that, mods you can PM, IRC... it isn't exactly difficult. And if you follow the ten commandments, odds are pretty good your thread doesn't need some disclaimer letting the mods know you don't mind them doing their jobs.
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Canada11363 Posts
I see what you're saying. But in general it's trying to acknowledge that they had made an attempt. For instance, I made one thread (I didn't put the phrase in), I searched to see if anyone had made a topic on it, didn't find any, and so made a big op on the subject. Turned out someone had made one and it had gotten closed (I guess the search engine doesn't search closed threads? And I hadn't been on when the previous thread had started.) It's things like this that would make a person put a pre-warning at the beginning. They did their homework, but they might have missed something is essentially what they're saying.
On the other hand, it's quite like when people get up to a microphone and go on and on about how they're afraid to be public speaking and how nervous they are. If they just launched into what ever they wanted to say, few would notice anything was out of the ordinary.
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No, the ones I'm talking about frequently aren't "I searched but I'm not sure how well I searched". The one that specifically precipitated me commenting on it was: Any mods feel free to move this thread to blogs if it doesn't fit the general forum.
This was appended to a "This is how I would have made the game" thread.
People using it knowing they're making something they really shouldn't, trying to push the mods in the direction of not closing it, but just slapping it in Blogs or something else instead.
That isn't "I made an effort". That's "Better to ask forgiveness than seek permission".
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United States11390 Posts
On September 12 2011 04:27 Aeres wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2011 04:24 Torte de Lini wrote:
Huge tragedy of bans in the 9/11 topic ): A "tragedy" of bans? Is that what you call a group of them, like how you call a group of geese a "gaggle"?
Gaggle is reserved for scourge, noob.
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Hong Kong9154 Posts
Today seems to be a day when people just stopped caring to look at what they wrote in this white box before clicking the post button in the General forums. Looking at post counts, most of these people should know better.
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