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On December 17 2019 20:36 sneakyfox wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2019 19:45 The_Red_Viper wrote:On December 17 2019 07:21 BigFan wrote:On December 17 2019 04:17 Jealous wrote:On December 17 2019 03:26 Starlightsun wrote:On December 17 2019 02:29 Jealous wrote:On December 17 2019 02:03 Wintex wrote: I mean, I understand very little of his line of thought, but why ban the guy for being like he is? He was trying to help... Seeker wtf. I believe that he was lucky to stay around so long considering: 1. The intentionally poor formatting of his posts. 2. The frequent lack of a coherent point or idea throughout the post, making it a waste of time to read. 3. The habitual victim complex and talking shit to/about mods. 4. The almost complete lack of reform. Being "weird" or an idiot is not a crime, but it can get tiresome to deal with individuals who are intentionally obtuse AND abstruse. TL rules say that this is their house, and I don't blame them in the slightest for not wanting individuals like fluidrone here. I don't see why any of that is so offensive other than talking shit to the mods. Mostly saw fluidrone/oppiska in the blogs section and they tended to have helpful and insightful things to say if you can get past the odd phrasing. Again, saying "they aren't offensive though" doesn't necessarily equal them being productive or desirable members of the community. Not being offensive is the bare minimum. Hell, you can even be a little offensive from time to time and still be a member worth keeping around. Imagine being a new poster Hard to imagine there being new posters, TL doesn't offer anything which would attract them and the moderation which still acts like it's 2011 certainly doesn't help keeping an actual community active either. For the longest time i enjoyed TL more than other places, but this forum and how it was handled destroyed itself in the last few years. So many community figures and bigger posters cannot be bothered anymore to visit this site and the few older ones who still would? They get removed one by one for basically nothing at all. ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/KWDeyp8.png) What specifically is it about the handling of the forum that has destroyed it in your eyes? I'm curious as to how TL's moderation can be dated specifically to 2011 and how the moderation of that time period is lacking compared to 2019 moderation standards, preferably with examples.
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Hyrule18968 Posts
We've eased back on quite a few areas, in terms of moderation. Just take a look at how long it took for drone to get banned again.
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Northern Ireland23754 Posts
On December 18 2019 00:09 JimmiC wrote: It is a double edged sword, some people quit because certain users are not banned and others quit because some are. No matter what the mods do they cant win, it is a thankless job. I bet it is even rare for them to all agree. Basically. It’s a hard balance to strike.
I like TL because the moderation is pretty strict and people can’t spam nonsense, be total pricks and I recognise a lot of names.
As a general approach anyway, don’t always agree with specific bans though.
Some people prefer things to be more free in that sense and you can’t really reconcile the two differing tastes there.
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Bisutopia19152 Posts
On December 17 2019 22:47 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2019 20:36 sneakyfox wrote:On December 17 2019 19:45 The_Red_Viper wrote:On December 17 2019 07:21 BigFan wrote:On December 17 2019 04:17 Jealous wrote:On December 17 2019 03:26 Starlightsun wrote:On December 17 2019 02:29 Jealous wrote:On December 17 2019 02:03 Wintex wrote: I mean, I understand very little of his line of thought, but why ban the guy for being like he is? He was trying to help... Seeker wtf. I believe that he was lucky to stay around so long considering: 1. The intentionally poor formatting of his posts. 2. The frequent lack of a coherent point or idea throughout the post, making it a waste of time to read. 3. The habitual victim complex and talking shit to/about mods. 4. The almost complete lack of reform. Being "weird" or an idiot is not a crime, but it can get tiresome to deal with individuals who are intentionally obtuse AND abstruse. TL rules say that this is their house, and I don't blame them in the slightest for not wanting individuals like fluidrone here. I don't see why any of that is so offensive other than talking shit to the mods. Mostly saw fluidrone/oppiska in the blogs section and they tended to have helpful and insightful things to say if you can get past the odd phrasing. Again, saying "they aren't offensive though" doesn't necessarily equal them being productive or desirable members of the community. Not being offensive is the bare minimum. Hell, you can even be a little offensive from time to time and still be a member worth keeping around. Imagine being a new poster Hard to imagine there being new posters, TL doesn't offer anything which would attract them and the moderation which still acts like it's 2011 certainly doesn't help keeping an actual community active either. For the longest time i enjoyed TL more than other places, but this forum and how it was handled destroyed itself in the last few years. So many community figures and bigger posters cannot be bothered anymore to visit this site and the few older ones who still would? They get removed one by one for basically nothing at all. ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/KWDeyp8.png) What specifically is it about the handling of the forum that has destroyed it in your eyes? I'm curious as to how TL's moderation can be dated specifically to 2011 and how the moderation of that time period is lacking compared to 2019 moderation standards, preferably with examples. 2011 was the era of SC1 vs SC2 bashing and WoL/Blizzard/Kespa bashing. It was a cluster f- of people who were just angry all the time. It can't be on the mods that no matter how many notes and warnings were left, people just had fits of rage that sucked in everyone around them.
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If he kept the comedy act to blogs, he'd likely be a treasured poster forever. And maybe he was cautioned to restrain the chaos to that location. Who knows? But he didn't get his rep doing that, so it's unlikely he would ever agree to it.
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On December 18 2019 01:42 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2019 22:47 Jealous wrote:On December 17 2019 20:36 sneakyfox wrote:On December 17 2019 19:45 The_Red_Viper wrote:On December 17 2019 07:21 BigFan wrote:On December 17 2019 04:17 Jealous wrote:On December 17 2019 03:26 Starlightsun wrote:On December 17 2019 02:29 Jealous wrote:On December 17 2019 02:03 Wintex wrote: I mean, I understand very little of his line of thought, but why ban the guy for being like he is? He was trying to help... Seeker wtf. I believe that he was lucky to stay around so long considering: 1. The intentionally poor formatting of his posts. 2. The frequent lack of a coherent point or idea throughout the post, making it a waste of time to read. 3. The habitual victim complex and talking shit to/about mods. 4. The almost complete lack of reform. Being "weird" or an idiot is not a crime, but it can get tiresome to deal with individuals who are intentionally obtuse AND abstruse. TL rules say that this is their house, and I don't blame them in the slightest for not wanting individuals like fluidrone here. I don't see why any of that is so offensive other than talking shit to the mods. Mostly saw fluidrone/oppiska in the blogs section and they tended to have helpful and insightful things to say if you can get past the odd phrasing. Again, saying "they aren't offensive though" doesn't necessarily equal them being productive or desirable members of the community. Not being offensive is the bare minimum. Hell, you can even be a little offensive from time to time and still be a member worth keeping around. Imagine being a new poster Hard to imagine there being new posters, TL doesn't offer anything which would attract them and the moderation which still acts like it's 2011 certainly doesn't help keeping an actual community active either. For the longest time i enjoyed TL more than other places, but this forum and how it was handled destroyed itself in the last few years. So many community figures and bigger posters cannot be bothered anymore to visit this site and the few older ones who still would? They get removed one by one for basically nothing at all. ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/KWDeyp8.png) What specifically is it about the handling of the forum that has destroyed it in your eyes? I'm curious as to how TL's moderation can be dated specifically to 2011 and how the moderation of that time period is lacking compared to 2019 moderation standards, preferably with examples. 2011 was the era of SC1 vs SC2 bashing and WoL/Blizzard/Kespa bashing. It was a cluster f- of people who were just angry all the time. It can't be on the mods that no matter how many notes and warnings were left, people just had fits of rage that sucked in everyone around them. Really seemed like he was externalizing it to some global moderation standard that TL did not keep up with but I admit my interpretation may be wrong. Looking forward to his response.
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Canada11355 Posts
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On December 18 2019 10:35 Fecalfeast wrote: I liked fluidrone Your taste in users must reflect on ur taste in usernames
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Before 2010 getting banned on TL was the same as it is now, I think bans are just more noticeable now since that came with the change and growth TL had during SC2 (more mods). Before SC2, TL was definitely a tight knit community, and getting banned was only noticed in the locked thread. I mean everyone essentially knew each other and played broodwar together.
I got banned a few times but for dumb shit as I was a kid mostly who didn’t know any better, but TL has always shown me they care about their members and personal growth.
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Honestly speaking frowning down on memes and image macros is one of the most unique and best things on TL.
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Northern Ireland23754 Posts
On December 19 2019 01:33 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Honestly speaking frowning down on memes and image macros is one of the most unique and best things on TL. Despite loving one that is well-employed I agree with TL here.
Too many people lack the restraint or the wit to not spam terrible memes and macros
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On December 19 2019 01:33 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Honestly speaking frowning down on memes and image macros is one of the most unique and best things on TL.
That wasn’t the case before, I remember good ol Beyonder with quality image threads.
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Bisutopia19152 Posts
On December 19 2019 06:21 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2019 01:33 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Honestly speaking frowning down on memes and image macros is one of the most unique and best things on TL. That wasn’t the case before, I remember good ol Beyonder with quality image threads. You can still get away with a few if played right. Like the jaedong sheep
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Light hearted images in a thread for images is fine. Using image macros to argue and demean others, as fluidrone does, is not.
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On December 16 2019 17:51 opisska wrote: Sorry, but if TL is so stupid that they can't stand baskerville, despite knowing him for years and years and knowing he is not mallicious, just weird, then I don't want to have anything to do with it either, so perm me as well please. I am sure Seeker will throw a party.
The only thing I am gonna regret is blocked PMs, so if someone wants to talk to me, you can either email me at janebr@email.cz or find me ... whereever as my tag is completely unique.
User was banned for this post. Mere days later, they banned all that was good in the world
gracevirtue was just banned by Aesop.
That account was created on 2019-12-19 17:14:55 and had 0 posts.
Reason: Advertising.
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Wait, what? A very large majority of posts on TL are useless, senseless or straight mean/aggressive (or any combination of the above). Yet it seems obvious for everyone that fluidrone was supposed to be permed, even though he has only been doing the same as anyone else but with originality, and if you care to actually read a bit, with quite some insight.
I'm all for harsh moderation, at least it can help keeping things clean by overkilling. But there are just mostly personal vendettas and weird immunity for others at this point. It's senseless.
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Northern Ireland23754 Posts
On December 21 2019 08:59 AbouSV wrote: Wait, what? A very large majority of posts on TL are useless, senseless or straight mean/aggressive (or any combination of the above). Yet it seems obvious for everyone that fluidrone was supposed to be permed, even though he has only been doing the same as anyone else but with originality, and if you care to actually read a bit, with quite some insight.
I'm all for harsh moderation, at least it can help keeping things clean by overkilling. But there are just mostly personal vendettas and weird immunity for others at this point. It's senseless. I liked fluidrone personally, and there was some wisdom in plenty of what he said.
Originality for its own sake is overrated, comprehensible frameworks exist for a reason, and some of his posts read like something that has been written, google translated to another language, translated to another one and translated back.
English isn’t the first language of many people here, but I don’t think it’s a factor here at all, a lack of basic punctuation allied to fluid having a pretty damn flowery vocabulary in English are pretty indicative of someone deliberately posting in an obtuse manner.
Not directly comparable but my local bar had this guy who, while harmless, couldn’t handle his alcohol and talked utter drivel to people all the time, annoying the fuck of many regulars including myself. Staff asked him constantly to stop bothering other punters, despite conceding he wasn’t being malicious but eventually banned him from the premises because he was pissing so many people off and didn’t moderate his behaviour at all.
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I get your point. But in this bar (TL), most people are drunk anyway and many are toxic. They just decided that this is not the 'proper way' to be drunk. Because reasons, I guess.
I have 'visually' banned quite some people here. I just don't care about them and life goes on. I do not see why he should have been any different for concerned fellow TLers.
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All goes back to TL not having an ignore button
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