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On December 25 2019 10:24 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2019 07:48 Ej_ wrote:On December 24 2019 22:45 Jealous wrote:On December 24 2019 17:14 Ej_ wrote:
So ignore won't be implemented under the pretense of moderation knowing better what kind of content I should read? Fair enough. Lmao not sure where you got that from but the reason that BR agreed to above is that it would make content unreadable in general. Apparently nreadable for individuals who have decided to ignore certain users, willingfuly compromising their experience. So, there's an assumption here that an user ignoing someone would work against them. As in, the moderation assumes it knows better what I'm supposed to read than I do. Ehm, no, unreadable for everyone. There would be repeat posts, people talking/posting past one another, probably passive-aggressive bullshit once a poster realizes they were ignored, and on top of all of that - if everyone simply ignores a shit user instead of reporting them, then that makes the job of moderators harder and the amount of shit posts that slip through the cracks greater.
No board with an ignore function I've used has run into the issues you mentioned. I can see why they could occur from a hypothetical point of view, but in reality, people repeating the same thing someone had already said is a norm on TL as it is.
And if someone can't be civil about being ignored, isn't that a sign they should be banned or ignored anyway?
On a side note, I think this has strived too far into off-topic and will likely be advised to be buried in website feedback.
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Northern Ireland26225 Posts
On December 25 2019 10:24 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2019 07:48 Ej_ wrote:On December 24 2019 22:45 Jealous wrote:On December 24 2019 17:14 Ej_ wrote:
So ignore won't be implemented under the pretense of moderation knowing better what kind of content I should read? Fair enough. Lmao not sure where you got that from but the reason that BR agreed to above is that it would make content unreadable in general. Apparently nreadable for individuals who have decided to ignore certain users, willingfuly compromising their experience. So, there's an assumption here that an user ignoing someone would work against them. As in, the moderation assumes it knows better what I'm supposed to read than I do. Ehm, no, unreadable for everyone. There would be repeat posts, people talking/posting past one another, probably passive-aggressive bullshit once a poster realizes they were ignored, and on top of all of that - if everyone simply ignores a shit user instead of reporting them, then that makes the job of moderators harder and the amount of shit posts that slip through the cracks greater.
I just envisage this happening really.
youtu.be/3d2JDrl5IZE
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On December 25 2019 02:04 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2019 01:41 Luolis wrote:On December 25 2019 00:19 Jealous wrote:On December 24 2019 23:57 Luolis wrote:
Imo the problem with this ban is that there are a lot of rude and even malicious posters who argue in bad faith and bring in needless conflicts who get to post just fine, while fluidrone, albeit a very weird forum member but who didn't really go for fights with other people (as far as i remember) gets banned like this. I understand the mods but it feels very inconsistent. A lot of the news/LR threads are just flamewars more or less because of a couple of certain posters. Are you reporting those posters? Yes if its not already reported. Then they will eventually get warned/banned too. Why assume that there is nothing going on behind the scenes? Just because you don't have access to their mod logs?
But they often dont get warned/banned which is why i made the post in the first place...
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On December 26 2019 01:38 Luolis wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2019 02:04 Jealous wrote:On December 25 2019 01:41 Luolis wrote:On December 25 2019 00:19 Jealous wrote:On December 24 2019 23:57 Luolis wrote:
Imo the problem with this ban is that there are a lot of rude and even malicious posters who argue in bad faith and bring in needless conflicts who get to post just fine, while fluidrone, albeit a very weird forum member but who didn't really go for fights with other people (as far as i remember) gets banned like this. I understand the mods but it feels very inconsistent. A lot of the news/LR threads are just flamewars more or less because of a couple of certain posters. Are you reporting those posters? Yes if its not already reported. Then they will eventually get warned/banned too. Why assume that there is nothing going on behind the scenes? Just because you don't have access to their mod logs? But they often dont get warned/banned which is why i made the post in the first place...
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/36bkZD1.png)
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To be honest, "ignore" button or not, threads are chaotic anyway. The same points are repeated endlessly without including any new argument that might have come in between (that are themselves often repeated endlessly, you should get the idea), people don't care, rinse, repeat.
The last three pages of this thread is a good example of this.
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Reporting people for being shitty posters, balance whining, going on Serral-related tangents and so on feels very risky sadly. I've been sticking to reporting adbots to maintain my report stats:
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/dC2ZCOh.png)
Not that it matters, but it's an aesthetics thing.
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On December 26 2019 02:19 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2019 01:38 Luolis wrote:On December 25 2019 02:04 Jealous wrote:On December 25 2019 01:41 Luolis wrote:On December 25 2019 00:19 Jealous wrote:On December 24 2019 23:57 Luolis wrote:
Imo the problem with this ban is that there are a lot of rude and even malicious posters who argue in bad faith and bring in needless conflicts who get to post just fine, while fluidrone, albeit a very weird forum member but who didn't really go for fights with other people (as far as i remember) gets banned like this. I understand the mods but it feels very inconsistent. A lot of the news/LR threads are just flamewars more or less because of a couple of certain posters. Are you reporting those posters? Yes if its not already reported. Then they will eventually get warned/banned too. Why assume that there is nothing going on behind the scenes? Just because you don't have access to their mod logs? But they often dont get warned/banned which is why i made the post in the first place...
Just gonna ignore that 41% no action taken?
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On December 27 2019 18:04 Luolis wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2019 02:19 Jealous wrote:On December 26 2019 01:38 Luolis wrote:On December 25 2019 02:04 Jealous wrote:On December 25 2019 01:41 Luolis wrote:On December 25 2019 00:19 Jealous wrote:On December 24 2019 23:57 Luolis wrote:
Imo the problem with this ban is that there are a lot of rude and even malicious posters who argue in bad faith and bring in needless conflicts who get to post just fine, while fluidrone, albeit a very weird forum member but who didn't really go for fights with other people (as far as i remember) gets banned like this. I understand the mods but it feels very inconsistent. A lot of the news/LR threads are just flamewars more or less because of a couple of certain posters. Are you reporting those posters? Yes if its not already reported. Then they will eventually get warned/banned too. Why assume that there is nothing going on behind the scenes? Just because you don't have access to their mod logs? But they often dont get warned/banned which is why i made the post in the first place... Just gonna ignore that 41% no action taken? The average across TL is at 38% so its not really that high.
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Hyrule19188 Posts
It's also worth noting that we used No Action before Other Action was added.
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How bad your results have to be to lose your reporting privileges?
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On December 28 2019 01:33 Sent. wrote:
How bad your results have to be to lose your reporting privileges?
Zlefin bad. Reporting most everybody for a while will do the trick.
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Zlefin's exactly why I asked, haha. I'm curious how high was his "no action taken" percentage.
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Hyrule19188 Posts
He didn't actually report very many posts. But he treated it as a "this poster disagrees with me" button.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50604 Posts
its amazing how persistent some pbus can be, i actually would rather have baskerville/fluidrone back than them.
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What is "other action taken"?
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United States24752 Posts
It varies. It is intended to mean the report warranted mods do something, such as move a thread, discuss an issue with a user informally without using the warning system, combine two threads together, or something else.
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ZigguratOfMesomerica was just banned by Seeker.
That account was created on 2020-01-07 02:05:02 and had 3 posts.
Reason: What are you? A ZigguratOfUr wannabe or something?
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50604 Posts
On January 07 2020 05:27 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +ZigguratOfMesomerica was just banned by Seeker.
That account was created on 2020-01-07 02:05:02 and had 3 posts.
Reason: What are you? A ZigguratOfUr wannabe or something?
spawn more ziggurats
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TL missed the chance to have The Two Ziggurats by Tolkien.
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