On April 14 2015 07:07 boxerfred wrote: TB really goes over the top. I don't like it and wish mods would actually take actions everytime he plainly insults someone. He's going for the british image, but a true bloody british gent would never ever reply to a stupid post with "moron" or similar.
It just doesn't feel fair. Being popular should not make you stand above rules.
And yet it does
Because he might be enough of a prick to drop support for sc2 if he gets miffed at tl.
Ehhh. I don't think that's the reasoning. Community figures (e.g idra) have always gotten a ton of leeway even when there would be no consequences of removing said leeway. It's just that as community figures they are prominent members of the scene that you want interacting on TL, and as such they get greater latitude than most. That reasoning while not strictly speaking fair is a very pragmatic approach to take. I don't disagree with it.
On April 14 2015 07:07 boxerfred wrote: TB really goes over the top. I don't like it and wish mods would actually take actions everytime he plainly insults someone. He's going for the british image, but a true bloody british gent would never ever reply to a stupid post with "moron" or similar.
It just doesn't feel fair. Being popular should not make you stand above rules.
i asked the same thing and was told from a moderator who shall remained unnamed essentially that he has a get out of jail free card because:
SC2 will live even if I have to support the entire scene with my erect penis.
which kind of makes sense although his latest tirade was over the top.
On April 14 2015 07:07 boxerfred wrote: TB really goes over the top. I don't like it and wish mods would actually take actions everytime he plainly insults someone. He's going for the british image, but a true bloody british gent would never ever reply to a stupid post with "moron" or similar.
It just doesn't feel fair. Being popular should not make you stand above rules.
And yet it does
Because he might be enough of a prick to drop support for sc2 if he gets miffed at tl.
Ehhh. I don't think that's the reasoning. Community figures (e.g idra) have always gotten a ton of leeway even when there would be no consequences of removing said leeway. It's just that as community figures they are prominent members of the scene that you want interacting on TL, and as such they get greater latitude than most. That reasoning while not strictly speaking fair is a very pragmatic approach to take. I don't disagree with it.
Idra actually got banned once or twice
On April 14 2015 07:11 dAPhREAk wrote:
On April 14 2015 07:07 boxerfred wrote: TB really goes over the top. I don't like it and wish mods would actually take actions everytime he plainly insults someone. He's going for the british image, but a true bloody british gent would never ever reply to a stupid post with "moron" or similar.
It just doesn't feel fair. Being popular should not make you stand above rules.
i asked the same thing and was told from a moderator who shall remained unnamed essentially that he has a get out of jail free card because:
SC2 will live even if I have to support the entire scene with my erect penis.
which kind of makes sense although his latest tirade was over the top.
On April 14 2015 05:31 Plexa wrote: This post ends the Winter hacking discussion unless there is more evidence. It's pretty clear that the evidence is circumstantial at best, which isn't anywhere near the standard of proof to confirm hacking.
If this thread removed every post about someone who was playing mostly normal and obviously working hard to hide their maphack there would be a lot less posts. Things like attack moving at cloaked units that aren't detected over and over are simply not circumstantial.
On April 14 2015 07:19 Gwavajuice wrote:
On April 14 2015 06:58 oOOoOphidian wrote:
On April 14 2015 05:31 Plexa wrote: This post ends the Winter hacking discussion unless there is more evidence. It's pretty clear that the evidence is circumstantial at best, which isn't anywhere near the standard of proof to confirm hacking.
If this thread removed every post about someone who was playing mostly normal and obviously working hard to hide their maphack there would be a lot less posts. Things like attack moving at cloaked units that aren't detected over and over are simply not circumstantial.
A lot less posts is maybe what this thread needs most though... It has been very trendy over the last weeks to accuse people because of just a few lucky moves (even if in the same game the guy makes 10x more unlucky ones). The paranoia is huge these days.
I would love to be able to make replays anonymous and post 100% clean replays here saying "hey this guy hacked me" and then see how many false evidences and wrong conclusions people can make when they just want someone to be proven guilty.
On April 14 2015 08:25 avilo wrote:
On April 14 2015 05:31 Plexa wrote: This post ends the Winter hacking discussion unless there is more evidence. It's pretty clear that the evidence is circumstantial at best, which isn't anywhere near the standard of proof to confirm hacking.
I do not really understand how clicking to cloaked units in the fog of war with perfect accuracy is anywhere near circumstantial. I did list a lot of suspicious "circumstantial things", but i did also note the things that definitely are 100% not circumstantial (stasis ward, clicking to observers in fog of war, re-pathing while seeing obs in fog of war which is impossible without 3rd party to do over and over again).
I do not think it is exactly standard to call following cloaked units and clicking directly on them through fog of war circumstantial, but fair enough if you do not want more discussion on it.
On April 14 2015 08:58 Crot4le wrote:
On April 14 2015 08:25 avilo wrote:
On April 14 2015 05:31 Plexa wrote: This post ends the Winter hacking discussion unless there is more evidence. It's pretty clear that the evidence is circumstantial at best, which isn't anywhere near the standard of proof to confirm hacking.
I do not really understand how clicking to cloaked units in the fog of war with perfect accuracy is anywhere near circumstantial. I did list a lot of suspicious "circumstantial things", but i did also note the things that definitely are 100% not circumstantial (stasis ward, clicking to observers in fog of war, re-pathing while seeing obs in fog of war which is impossible without 3rd party to do over and over again).
I do not think it is exactly standard to call following cloaked units and clicking directly on them through fog of war circumstantial, but fair enough if you do not want more discussion on it.
Dude, even pro-players who have analysed it have concluded that there's nothing in this. Just give it up and try to come to terms with the fact he beat you fair and square. I know your complete hate for him makes that hard for you, but sometimes you just gotta face reality.
Quite frankly, if you really want to get some shit on Winter (which you undeniably do, this is what this is all about) your time would be much better spent making sure he isn't viewbotting again as that affair had genuine evidence behind the claims not just some paranoid straw-clutching from a pathologically obsessed sore loser.
I don't appreciate you guys trying to get the last word in. The discussion is over, any more on this topic without new evidence will be met with bans.
I understand you don't want this to become Kripp's twitch chat, but I don't really like how you put an end to a constructive discussion instead of warning and calling out people who just flame here and derail the thread. On top of that, we are getting valuable info about hacking programs here (which we might not get otherwise - like the minimap hack showing rally points of units). So, in a way, you are denying us to dig deeper into very serious issue and expose current hacking tricks. This is called "map hacker and general hacking and cheating thread" after all.
Oooooohh snap! Mr. 2-post-user-from-reddit just posted THIS condescending reply to Plexa's warning! I can't believe the amount of swag this guy has. His tone is flat-out patronizing.
At the time I posted this, it is 4:42AM in New Zealand. In a few hours, Plexa will be sitting down to breakfast with his waffles...
On April 14 2015 05:31 Plexa wrote: This post ends the Winter hacking discussion unless there is more evidence. It's pretty clear that the evidence is circumstantial at best, which isn't anywhere near the standard of proof to confirm hacking.
If this thread removed every post about someone who was playing mostly normal and obviously working hard to hide their maphack there would be a lot less posts. Things like attack moving at cloaked units that aren't detected over and over are simply not circumstantial.
On April 14 2015 07:19 Gwavajuice wrote:
On April 14 2015 06:58 oOOoOphidian wrote:
On April 14 2015 05:31 Plexa wrote: This post ends the Winter hacking discussion unless there is more evidence. It's pretty clear that the evidence is circumstantial at best, which isn't anywhere near the standard of proof to confirm hacking.
If this thread removed every post about someone who was playing mostly normal and obviously working hard to hide their maphack there would be a lot less posts. Things like attack moving at cloaked units that aren't detected over and over are simply not circumstantial.
A lot less posts is maybe what this thread needs most though... It has been very trendy over the last weeks to accuse people because of just a few lucky moves (even if in the same game the guy makes 10x more unlucky ones). The paranoia is huge these days.
I would love to be able to make replays anonymous and post 100% clean replays here saying "hey this guy hacked me" and then see how many false evidences and wrong conclusions people can make when they just want someone to be proven guilty.
On April 14 2015 08:25 avilo wrote:
On April 14 2015 05:31 Plexa wrote: This post ends the Winter hacking discussion unless there is more evidence. It's pretty clear that the evidence is circumstantial at best, which isn't anywhere near the standard of proof to confirm hacking.
I do not really understand how clicking to cloaked units in the fog of war with perfect accuracy is anywhere near circumstantial. I did list a lot of suspicious "circumstantial things", but i did also note the things that definitely are 100% not circumstantial (stasis ward, clicking to observers in fog of war, re-pathing while seeing obs in fog of war which is impossible without 3rd party to do over and over again).
I do not think it is exactly standard to call following cloaked units and clicking directly on them through fog of war circumstantial, but fair enough if you do not want more discussion on it.
On April 14 2015 08:58 Crot4le wrote:
On April 14 2015 08:25 avilo wrote:
On April 14 2015 05:31 Plexa wrote: This post ends the Winter hacking discussion unless there is more evidence. It's pretty clear that the evidence is circumstantial at best, which isn't anywhere near the standard of proof to confirm hacking.
I do not really understand how clicking to cloaked units in the fog of war with perfect accuracy is anywhere near circumstantial. I did list a lot of suspicious "circumstantial things", but i did also note the things that definitely are 100% not circumstantial (stasis ward, clicking to observers in fog of war, re-pathing while seeing obs in fog of war which is impossible without 3rd party to do over and over again).
I do not think it is exactly standard to call following cloaked units and clicking directly on them through fog of war circumstantial, but fair enough if you do not want more discussion on it.
Dude, even pro-players who have analysed it have concluded that there's nothing in this. Just give it up and try to come to terms with the fact he beat you fair and square. I know your complete hate for him makes that hard for you, but sometimes you just gotta face reality.
Quite frankly, if you really want to get some shit on Winter (which you undeniably do, this is what this is all about) your time would be much better spent making sure he isn't viewbotting again as that affair had genuine evidence behind the claims not just some paranoid straw-clutching from a pathologically obsessed sore loser.
I don't appreciate you guys trying to get the last word in. The discussion is over, any more on this topic without new evidence will be met with bans.
I understand you don't want this to become Kripp's twitch chat, but I don't really like how you put an end to a constructive discussion instead of warning and calling out people who just flame here and derail the thread. On top of that, we are getting valuable info about hacking programs here (which we might not get otherwise - like the minimap hack showing rally points of units). So, in a way, you are denying us to dig deeper into very serious issue and expose current hacking tricks. This is called "map hacker and general hacking and cheating thread" after all.
Oooooohh snap! Mr. 2-post-user-from-reddit just posted THIS condescending reply to Plexa's warning! At the time I posted this, it is 4:36AM in New Zealand. In a few hours, Plexa will be sitting down to breakfast with his waffles...
How can Plexa have Waffles instead of Pancakes is beyond me
On April 14 2015 05:31 Plexa wrote: This post ends the Winter hacking discussion unless there is more evidence. It's pretty clear that the evidence is circumstantial at best, which isn't anywhere near the standard of proof to confirm hacking.
If this thread removed every post about someone who was playing mostly normal and obviously working hard to hide their maphack there would be a lot less posts. Things like attack moving at cloaked units that aren't detected over and over are simply not circumstantial.
On April 14 2015 07:19 Gwavajuice wrote:
On April 14 2015 06:58 oOOoOphidian wrote:
On April 14 2015 05:31 Plexa wrote: This post ends the Winter hacking discussion unless there is more evidence. It's pretty clear that the evidence is circumstantial at best, which isn't anywhere near the standard of proof to confirm hacking.
If this thread removed every post about someone who was playing mostly normal and obviously working hard to hide their maphack there would be a lot less posts. Things like attack moving at cloaked units that aren't detected over and over are simply not circumstantial.
A lot less posts is maybe what this thread needs most though... It has been very trendy over the last weeks to accuse people because of just a few lucky moves (even if in the same game the guy makes 10x more unlucky ones). The paranoia is huge these days.
I would love to be able to make replays anonymous and post 100% clean replays here saying "hey this guy hacked me" and then see how many false evidences and wrong conclusions people can make when they just want someone to be proven guilty.
On April 14 2015 08:25 avilo wrote:
On April 14 2015 05:31 Plexa wrote: This post ends the Winter hacking discussion unless there is more evidence. It's pretty clear that the evidence is circumstantial at best, which isn't anywhere near the standard of proof to confirm hacking.
I do not really understand how clicking to cloaked units in the fog of war with perfect accuracy is anywhere near circumstantial. I did list a lot of suspicious "circumstantial things", but i did also note the things that definitely are 100% not circumstantial (stasis ward, clicking to observers in fog of war, re-pathing while seeing obs in fog of war which is impossible without 3rd party to do over and over again).
I do not think it is exactly standard to call following cloaked units and clicking directly on them through fog of war circumstantial, but fair enough if you do not want more discussion on it.
On April 14 2015 08:58 Crot4le wrote:
On April 14 2015 08:25 avilo wrote:
On April 14 2015 05:31 Plexa wrote: This post ends the Winter hacking discussion unless there is more evidence. It's pretty clear that the evidence is circumstantial at best, which isn't anywhere near the standard of proof to confirm hacking.
I do not really understand how clicking to cloaked units in the fog of war with perfect accuracy is anywhere near circumstantial. I did list a lot of suspicious "circumstantial things", but i did also note the things that definitely are 100% not circumstantial (stasis ward, clicking to observers in fog of war, re-pathing while seeing obs in fog of war which is impossible without 3rd party to do over and over again).
I do not think it is exactly standard to call following cloaked units and clicking directly on them through fog of war circumstantial, but fair enough if you do not want more discussion on it.
Dude, even pro-players who have analysed it have concluded that there's nothing in this. Just give it up and try to come to terms with the fact he beat you fair and square. I know your complete hate for him makes that hard for you, but sometimes you just gotta face reality.
Quite frankly, if you really want to get some shit on Winter (which you undeniably do, this is what this is all about) your time would be much better spent making sure he isn't viewbotting again as that affair had genuine evidence behind the claims not just some paranoid straw-clutching from a pathologically obsessed sore loser.
I don't appreciate you guys trying to get the last word in. The discussion is over, any more on this topic without new evidence will be met with bans.
I understand you don't want this to become Kripp's twitch chat, but I don't really like how you put an end to a constructive discussion instead of warning and calling out people who just flame here and derail the thread. On top of that, we are getting valuable info about hacking programs here (which we might not get otherwise - like the minimap hack showing rally points of units). So, in a way, you are denying us to dig deeper into very serious issue and expose current hacking tricks. This is called "map hacker and general hacking and cheating thread" after all.
Oooooohh snap! Mr. 2-post-user-from-reddit just posted THIS condescending reply to Plexa's warning! At the time I posted this, it is 4:36AM in New Zealand. In a few hours, Plexa will be sitting down to breakfast with his waffles...
How can Plexa have Waffles instead of Pancakes is beyond me
"A waffle is like a pancake with a syrup trap" Mitch Hedberg
Waffles are superior to pancakes in every conceivable way.
Of course. Syrup just runs off the sides of pancakes no matter what you do, meaning you spend your entire meal trying to mop it up as best you can with each bit of pancake. With waffles, the syrup gets caught in the waffle-holes, and if you cut accurately, you can prevent most of it from spilling out during consumption. Much less messy, and you get to enjoy the sensation of a large amount of undiluted syrup in your mouth! mmmmmm!
Waffles are superior to pancakes in every conceivable way.
Of course. Syrup just runs off the sides of pancakes no matter what you do, meaning you spend your entire meal trying to mop it up as best you can with each bit of pancake. With waffles, the syrup gets caught in the waffle-holes, and if you cut accurately, you can prevent most of it from spilling out during consumption. Much less messy, and you get to enjoy the sensation of a large amount of undiluted syrup in your mouth! mmmmmm!
Edit: Also holy crap Plexa you're up early!
Waffles are the easy way. True men do it the hard way.
On April 15 2015 04:05 The_Templar wrote: I don't like waffles since they are difficult for me to eat with a spoon, but I will admit they are probably superior to pancakes in other ways.
The hacker thread was surprisingly civil.
Gratz for the pen. How soon before you become a banling?
On April 15 2015 04:05 The_Templar wrote: I don't like waffles since they are difficult for me to eat with a spoon, but I will admit they are probably superior to pancakes in other ways.
The hacker thread was surprisingly civil.
Gratz for the pen. How soon before you become a banling?
On April 15 2015 04:05 The_Templar wrote: I don't like waffles since they are difficult for me to eat with a spoon, but I will admit they are probably superior to pancakes in other ways.
The hacker thread was surprisingly civil.
Gratz for the pen. How soon before you become a banling?
Haha, no.
I'm surprised.
I was expecting Zealously to say that it was never happening, not KBB.
On April 15 2015 04:05 The_Templar wrote: I don't like waffles since they are difficult for me to eat with a spoon, but I will admit they are probably superior to pancakes in other ways.
The hacker thread was surprisingly civil.
Gratz for the pen. How soon before you become a banling?
Haha, no.
He's going to grow up to be an admin when lichter retires
EPT
